Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
There is absolutely no reason to have Eli’s name in this letter about how screwed up this franchise is. None. I don’t give two shits about the parallels you are trying to show. Or I don’t care who wrote it. He absolutely doesn’t deserve to have his name associated with this document at all. Period. I don’t care if it’s true or not either. He still didn’t deserve it at all. You could of still accomplished the same message without his name in this letter. Poor judgement indeed.
But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?
I haven't decided whether or not I want to sign the petition, but if you click the link the OP provided, it takes you to the petition itself. Then on that page all you have to do is fill out the contact info and click the "Sign the Petition" button.
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
So things that are good to complain about:
Writing snobbery
Petitions
Things that it does no good to complain about:
Horrible, horrible football teams
Well I guess since writing snobbery is in your list of "do's" on complaining you should probably know that you can't bootlick a letter.
Also at this point, you are always evasive about what you do and who you are. And are of course a bootlicking redcoat so you are likely have some connection to the team. Your positions including that of this letter make no sense without that.
who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.
Maybe I'm missing something.
Another poster asked Eric if he could post it, in hopes that it would gain some support and hopefully catch eyeballs of staff in the building. Eric said he felt the request for $$$ from Change.org is a bit sketchy. Those donations do not support BBI in any way.
Donations are optional and they do say what the donations are for.
I don't think it's all that confusing either, if people donate I don't think there is anything remotely misleading about where it will go or if they are donating to say BBI.
I kept the thoughts on the letter to myself until you called me out multiple times. I'm also not the only one that doesn't support this letter, several others posted they won't sign it on this thread alone, its very curious why you aren't challenging them too.
Your reaction to a "lol" is why so many have left this site. If you don't hate this team and organization you aren't in the club, or are considered a "compatriot" (cute name by the way). A simple "lol" has caused you to stoop to the lowest possible level. Do you act this way in real life?
Learn how to handle disagreement, and more importantly, understand that you don't know everything.
don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.
You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?
Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.
You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
and listening to the FANS- just look at this site and this thread. We can't agree on anything and what one sees someone else sees completely differently. There are thoughts about Fans being MEAN to Judge, or FANS don't know football and then the opposite some FANS here think they know the inner workings of the Giants and the rest of the NFL. We see the sides being arranged quickly:
Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones
It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..
Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.
Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.
Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.
Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.
You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?
Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.
You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
"bootlicking redcoat" Jesus Christ you are insufferable. There's definitely a "grade A jerk" here and it isn't me. And nothing like accusing someone of throwing insults, while throwing insults.
Has it ever occurred to you that "being right" really isn't something I care about, or even strived for? I root for other teams that have been perennial losers, I'm not out there trying to petition them either. Is it that hard to comprehend that I follow sports for entertainment and leave it at that? This notion that if you aren't out for blood you are just defending the billionaires is such flawed logic. I support DG being fired. I've supported moving on from Jones for this entire season and even part way through last season. I support firing Judge if the new GM wants him gone. I support wholesale change. I don't support constantly talking about it and if you have an issue with that, that's your problem not mine.
you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
You are so focused on being pissed and combative that you don't even realize when you are being agreed with, and that's always been the case. I'd wager I agree with you on more points than I disagree with, but I don't fit your preferred profile of constant agreement and tearing down of everything Giants on every thread so you act the way you act as a result.
I stand by my initial comment. Donating seems laughable to me and this letter didn't read well. If you or Eric or whoever can't handle that kind of criticism (which is unbelievably mild), than I'm at a loss for words on how to proceed other than to suggest ignoring me like I do for so many of the trolls on this board.
and listening to the FANS- just look at this site and this thread. We can't agree on anything and what one sees someone else sees completely differently. There are thoughts about Fans being MEAN to Judge, or FANS don't know football and then the opposite some FANS here think they know the inner workings of the Giants and the rest of the NFL. We see the sides being arranged quickly:
Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones
It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..
Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.
Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.
Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.
Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
Eric has always done a nice job of maintaining the editorial side of this site.
Many of us interact mainly in the forum, but the editorial part of this site draws plenty of traffic and attention.
Whether John Mara knows who Eric is or not, the Giants do know what BBI is and the place it holds with hundreds of thousands of fans through the years. Eric’s letter is meaningful.
Change.org petitions have shown time and again to be attention getting tools for the public to get their voice heard from corporations, representatives etc.
If it’s not your style or not something you find interesting, there are hundreds of other discussions happening on this forum. Just scroll down. There’s absolutely nothing weirder on this site than those who jump in, just to announce they aren’t interested in the topic.
Many people could have written this letter. We could have collaborated, suggested edits etc.
But Eric is a fan first and foremost I think. And we are all here because of him. To me that's powerful. This could be said in many different ways but I've at times thought that Eric has been too understanding of the team. And I think people think he's being to hard on them now. I'd say he stays pretty balanced and fair. We aren't a law firm, we are fans and I think this captures the mood of the fans well. He's pretty practiced at that after all
Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.
doubt it, he seemed to be losing it on one of his latest podcast complaining about how bad the fans are. Not posting here seems to be getting to him, the podcast façade is cracking.
That damn Fat friend of mine is always up to something. Leave it to him to home in on the fans as a problem. The teflon he has wrapped around these owners and management is just bizarre.
This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
one "grown assed" adult wrote it.
re: poorly written-- check out your own post.
It's odd, people are critical of a letter when the team of highly paid individuals can't even reach a performance level of poor. They'd be lucky to have just poor performance. Yet some people prefer to critique the hobbyists just engaging with this in this way because they care.
Or do you just enjoy losing and/or putting your faith in hopeless causes?
Ah, I see your confusion. You are confusing me thinking people donating money to this is stupid with me being overly loyal to the team (and therefore must know people there). Here in the real world, I can think (a) DG needs to go, (b) the team needs a major overhaul, and (c) donating to this is idiotic. I can have those separate thoughts.
This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
You’re a grown assed adult using “cringe” in a sentence? While ridiculing others?
You’d have been better off just sitting this one out.
It's really NOT that they blew the #2 and # 6 Picks!!!
It really is everything else they've done. Barkley was a great player...maybe he still can be a great player. Jones remained an open question for most people for a long time...there may still be some question. You pick a QB and HOPE...so, that's what you always get with a QB Pick.
The problem is that THEY don't seem to have a good command of what an NFL Player looks like! Start with O Line. I get the injuries, but they planned for absolute perfection and they projected guys poorly...their own guys!!!! Peart Can't play?...the projected starter!!!??? Fernandez cannot play... I've never liked him, and he's made me right! Then they disregarded the quality of their backups. This continued with their backup QB,,,he cannot play!!!! I lay this at the feet of Gettlemen, but I cannot accept that Judge and his staff weren't in on evaluation of needs versus their own roster.
Their present draft---No O Linemen?,,,, a late round Specials RB?????? That's how rock solid the roster was!!!???..a Special Teams Only RB!!!?????
PS...the coaching?.... maybe they're running a great skills clinic, but their evaluation of their players and their in game decisions SUCK!!!!!
I would have read the 1st 2 paragraphs and threw it out. Before you get your panties in a bunch PLEASE HEAR ME OUT.
1st off that letter was NOT a letter of concern (Even though I know it was, but Im not John Mara) that letter was a personal Attack of John Mara and the entire Giants Organization.
No one is going to take being attacked and being totally and brutally criticized by a person that has no idea about the inner workings of a Business or attacking the person the letter is addressed to. Also I dont care who it is, no one is going to read a letter from someone he or she doesn't know from GOD himself that is attacking he or she personally.
There are way better ways to word things in a letter than to personally attack that person. Human nature itself is going to step in and say this guy is a total ass and has no idea what he is talking about, and that is as far as it would ever go.
Im sorry there is a lot better ways to word something like that letter without attacking the person and the organization.
I would bet my life savings that, that letter went directly into the shredder and he hasnt tjhought about since he read it.
Did you ever thinkmthat you could have stated FACT instead of opinion and still gotten your point accross?? In my n experience that always seemed to work a lot better that a personal attack, which in all reality when being attacked 99% of all people just stop listening or in this case STOP READING.
I understand what you were trying get accross and the reasons for it, I didnt agree with all of it but I understood it. Opinion NEVER goes anywhere, OPINION added in with attacks is DOOMED TO FAIL.
Just in case anyone wants to take another look at this
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Lol
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
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Lol
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
Never mind. Duh. I found it.
I haven't decided whether or not I want to sign the petition, but if you click the link the OP provided, it takes you to the petition itself. Then on that page all you have to do is fill out the contact info and click the "Sign the Petition" button.
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Lol
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
Yes.
It certainly is being mocked by Uconn4523 and probably his redcoat bootlicker compatriots.
Maybe I'm missing something.
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Lol
Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
Thanks for the permission.
It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"
Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.
So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.
Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
So things that are good to complain about:
Writing snobbery
Petitions
Things that it does no good to complain about:
Horrible, horrible football teams
Well I guess since writing snobbery is in your list of "do's" on complaining you should probably know that you can't bootlick a letter.
Also at this point, you are always evasive about what you do and who you are. And are of course a bootlicking redcoat so you are likely have some connection to the team. Your positions including that of this letter make no sense without that.
Maybe I'm missing something.
Another poster asked Eric if he could post it, in hopes that it would gain some support and hopefully catch eyeballs of staff in the building. Eric said he felt the request for $$$ from Change.org is a bit sketchy. Those donations do not support BBI in any way.
Donations are optional and they do say what the donations are for.
I don't think it's all that confusing either, if people donate I don't think there is anything remotely misleading about where it will go or if they are donating to say BBI.
Your reaction to a "lol" is why so many have left this site. If you don't hate this team and organization you aren't in the club, or are considered a "compatriot" (cute name by the way). A simple "lol" has caused you to stoop to the lowest possible level. Do you act this way in real life?
Learn how to handle disagreement, and more importantly, understand that you don't know everything.
You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?
Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.
You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones
It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..
Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.
Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.
Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.
Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?
Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.
You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
"bootlicking redcoat" Jesus Christ you are insufferable. There's definitely a "grade A jerk" here and it isn't me. And nothing like accusing someone of throwing insults, while throwing insults.
Has it ever occurred to you that "being right" really isn't something I care about, or even strived for? I root for other teams that have been perennial losers, I'm not out there trying to petition them either. Is it that hard to comprehend that I follow sports for entertainment and leave it at that? This notion that if you aren't out for blood you are just defending the billionaires is such flawed logic. I support DG being fired. I've supported moving on from Jones for this entire season and even part way through last season. I support firing Judge if the new GM wants him gone. I support wholesale change. I don't support constantly talking about it and if you have an issue with that, that's your problem not mine.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
You are so focused on being pissed and combative that you don't even realize when you are being agreed with, and that's always been the case. I'd wager I agree with you on more points than I disagree with, but I don't fit your preferred profile of constant agreement and tearing down of everything Giants on every thread so you act the way you act as a result.
I stand by my initial comment. Donating seems laughable to me and this letter didn't read well. If you or Eric or whoever can't handle that kind of criticism (which is unbelievably mild), than I'm at a loss for words on how to proceed other than to suggest ignoring me like I do for so many of the trolls on this board.
Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones
It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..
Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.
Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.
Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.
Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
Excellent post.
Many of us interact mainly in the forum, but the editorial part of this site draws plenty of traffic and attention.
Whether John Mara knows who Eric is or not, the Giants do know what BBI is and the place it holds with hundreds of thousands of fans through the years. Eric’s letter is meaningful.
Change.org petitions have shown time and again to be attention getting tools for the public to get their voice heard from corporations, representatives etc.
If it’s not your style or not something you find interesting, there are hundreds of other discussions happening on this forum. Just scroll down. There’s absolutely nothing weirder on this site than those who jump in, just to announce they aren’t interested in the topic.
Many people could have written this letter. We could have collaborated, suggested edits etc.
But Eric is a fan first and foremost I think. And we are all here because of him. To me that's powerful. This could be said in many different ways but I've at times thought that Eric has been too understanding of the team. And I think people think he's being to hard on them now. I'd say he stays pretty balanced and fair. We aren't a law firm, we are fans and I think this captures the mood of the fans well. He's pretty practiced at that after all
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Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.
doubt it, he seemed to be losing it on one of his latest podcast complaining about how bad the fans are. Not posting here seems to be getting to him, the podcast façade is cracking.
That damn Fat friend of mine is always up to something. Leave it to him to home in on the fans as a problem. The teflon he has wrapped around these owners and management is just bizarre.
What's the name of that podcast again?
one "grown assed" adult wrote it.
re: poorly written-- check out your own post.
I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good
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This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
one "grown assed" adult wrote it.
re: poorly written-- check out your own post.
It's odd, people are critical of a letter when the team of highly paid individuals can't even reach a performance level of poor. They'd be lucky to have just poor performance. Yet some people prefer to critique the hobbyists just engaging with this in this way because they care.
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is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.
I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good
Congrats on helping change.org cover their overhead, I guess.
Or do you just enjoy losing and/or putting your faith in hopeless causes?
Or do you just enjoy losing and/or putting your faith in hopeless causes?
Ah, I see your confusion. You are confusing me thinking people donating money to this is stupid with me being overly loyal to the team (and therefore must know people there). Here in the real world, I can think (a) DG needs to go, (b) the team needs a major overhaul, and (c) donating to this is idiotic. I can have those separate thoughts.
Just an observation...
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is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.
I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good
i didn't donate to this and have no idea what the money is even supposed to go toward, but i did sign it.
was more curious about how the number of signatures in the allotted time stacks up with other similar efforts, etc etc.
You’re a grown assed adult using “cringe” in a sentence? While ridiculing others?
You’d have been better off just sitting this one out.
The problem is that THEY don't seem to have a good command of what an NFL Player looks like! Start with O Line. I get the injuries, but they planned for absolute perfection and they projected guys poorly...their own guys!!!! Peart Can't play?...the projected starter!!!??? Fernandez cannot play... I've never liked him, and he's made me right! Then they disregarded the quality of their backups. This continued with their backup QB,,,he cannot play!!!! I lay this at the feet of Gettlemen, but I cannot accept that Judge and his staff weren't in on evaluation of needs versus their own roster.
Their present draft---No O Linemen?,,,, a late round Specials RB?????? That's how rock solid the roster was!!!???..a Special Teams Only RB!!!?????
PS...the coaching?.... maybe they're running a great skills clinic, but their evaluation of their players and their in game decisions SUCK!!!!!
Blech!!!!
1st off that letter was NOT a letter of concern (Even though I know it was, but Im not John Mara) that letter was a personal Attack of John Mara and the entire Giants Organization.
No one is going to take being attacked and being totally and brutally criticized by a person that has no idea about the inner workings of a Business or attacking the person the letter is addressed to. Also I dont care who it is, no one is going to read a letter from someone he or she doesn't know from GOD himself that is attacking he or she personally.
There are way better ways to word things in a letter than to personally attack that person. Human nature itself is going to step in and say this guy is a total ass and has no idea what he is talking about, and that is as far as it would ever go.
Im sorry there is a lot better ways to word something like that letter without attacking the person and the organization.
I would bet my life savings that, that letter went directly into the shredder and he hasnt tjhought about since he read it.
Did you ever thinkmthat you could have stated FACT instead of opinion and still gotten your point accross?? In my n experience that always seemed to work a lot better that a personal attack, which in all reality when being attacked 99% of all people just stop listening or in this case STOP READING.
I understand what you were trying get accross and the reasons for it, I didnt agree with all of it but I understood it. Opinion NEVER goes anywhere, OPINION added in with attacks is DOOMED TO FAIL.