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Eric's Open Letter to Giants Management as a Petition

NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 5:49 pm
Sign and share everyone, let's get some attention to this issue.
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Good letter  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 6:05 pm : link
Needs quote marks on the Jim Mora quote
RE: Good letter  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15533198 montanagiant said:
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Needs quote marks on the Jim Mora quote


Yeah I know it won't let me edit it now unfortunately, I didn't want to really edit it at all because it's not my letter so I just straight up copied it but that was a miss on my part. Oh well
well said  
battttles : 1/6/2022 6:12 pm : link
glad the majority are finally here
Paid $30  
Payasdaddy : 1/6/2022 6:12 pm : link
To up the ante on position views
Nice job Eric. I am sick of inferior product
dG was an ass when he was coaching against us at spackenkill and I want him gone in the worst way
This deserves a sticky  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/6/2022 6:18 pm : link
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Out of curiosity  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2022 6:28 pm : link
How does this end up in the hands of Mara?
Not sure how this works  
NYGCO : 1/6/2022 6:36 pm : link
but I sure hope the Mara/Tisch families sees this letter. Well written Eric and to the point!
So some great updates on the petition  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 6:43 pm : link
about to hit 100 and we have a "David Carr" , "Chris Bober" and "David Wells"

Happy to have you all but if you read BBI and you are the David Wells from the Yankees, I was at your perfect game but sadly lost the beanie baby. You are one of my favorite Yankees!

And thanks for the support to all our potentially well known or not well known signers!
RE: Out of curiosity  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15533237 BigBlueShock said:
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How does this end up in the hands of Mara?


They seemed to find out about the Clown Photo so I'm guessing they will get wind of this...

If not maybe one of our well known signers will send it to them.
RE: RE: Out of curiosity  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15533258 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15533237 BigBlueShock said:


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How does this end up in the hands of Mara?



They seemed to find out about the Clown Photo so I'm guessing they will get wind of this...

If not maybe one of our well known signers will send it to them.

Gotcha. Thanks for doing this. Those names you just posted, David Wells, etc is pure gold!
Great  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2022 6:54 pm : link
Everybody needs to get this out there to their friends and Giants fans alike over social media to join in and get it percolating, even to media types.

FWIW, I think Eric was too  
section125 : 1/6/2022 6:58 pm : link
nice and too self effacing.
Dropped in $15  
jvm52106 : 1/6/2022 7:00 pm : link
Assume we can get 200 signatures quite easily.

Let's get this done!
Signed!  
trueblueinpw : 1/6/2022 7:06 pm : link
Enough already! So sick of this teams failures.
An idea....  
EricJ : 1/6/2022 7:17 pm : link
create a go-fund me campaign to raise enough money to buy out thousands of PSLs from people who no longer want them. The total funds needed would be in the millions to buy out 20% of the PSLs.

Then, do not buy the tickets and let the ownership of the seats revert back to the Giants. They will then lose ticket money unless there are thousands of idiots who would actually step up to buy tickets to see the team play.

I don't see how  
outeiroj : 1/6/2022 7:18 pm : link
a football team with over a million fans could possibly care about a petition with 200 signatures... :shrug:
The petition needs to get passed around via social media..  
EricJ : 1/6/2022 7:18 pm : link
just having it here in BBI is a drop in the bucket
Who are the celeb Giants fans?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 7:22 pm : link
Someone should DM them lol
That letter states nothing that John doesn't already know  
DaveW2 : 1/6/2022 7:26 pm : link
The real question is how can he grow a pair in order to do the right things.
done  
D HOS : 1/6/2022 7:29 pm : link
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Signed and contributed to the petition  
Rick in Dallas : 1/6/2022 7:29 pm : link
I would hope we could get over a 1000 signers. This somehow needs to get in the hands of JM
This is probably the most important part of the letter  
lawguy9801 : 1/6/2022 7:29 pm : link
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On a final note, you do run a significant risk here if the team remains a bottom feeder. This isn’t the 1970’s anymore where young people will blindly follow a losing franchise because their parents did. Worse, you are not only losing young fans but long-time ones who are tuning the team out. The team often isn’t even competitive when losing. My interest has waned. My teenage kids want to like the team, but now they just kind of laugh at the franchise, preferring to spend their free time on more enjoyable activities. They have more to choose from than kids in the 1970s. So do the adults.
RE: I don't see how  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2022 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15533297 outeiroj said:
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a football team with over a million fans could possibly care about a petition with 200 signatures... :shrug:

It’s been posted for an hour and already exceeded your 200 signatures. The idea is to share it. Not just sign it. You share it and hopefully whoever you share it with shares it. My bad for jumping the gun and assuming you may have friends though.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/6/2022 7:35 pm : link
Signed.
I hope my dear...  
bw in dc : 1/6/2022 7:36 pm : link
Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.
the thing about the kids really hit home  
mphbullet36 : 1/6/2022 7:40 pm : link
got two young kids myself and if this doesn't turn around tough to get them to get them interested in this franchise when my interest lacking.

I used to hand my GF now Wife the schedule at the beginning of seasons and say don't plan anything around these dates. Now I know halfway through the season I don't really care about being home watching the game...sad.
Petition signed and $$ donated  
lawguy9801 : 1/6/2022 7:43 pm : link
Thank you Eric
signed it  
ATL_Giants : 1/6/2022 7:49 pm : link
made up a name though
Signed it  
Gregorio : 1/6/2022 8:10 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: I don't see how  
jas899294 : 1/6/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15533346 outeiroj said:
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In comment 15533297 outeiroj said:


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a football team with over a million fans could possibly care about a petition with 200 signatures... :shrug:


It’s been posted for an hour and already exceeded your 200 signatures. The idea is to share it. Not just sign it. You share it and hopefully whoever you share it with shares it. My bad for jumping the gun and assuming you may have friends though.



and this is exactly why this wont work. Because your part of the pussy generation that complains and insults instead of inflicting real change

you want to change a private business, get your own and change it that way

I have plenty of friends, most of which are huge Giants fans and have been for life. However, were not pathetic enough to allow a game we enjoy effect the quality of our lives


1. Ouch! if the shoe fits wear it. That would be a large segment of BBI wanna be GM.
2. Mora is right. We are fans, we think we know but we do not now.
3. We overreact to both: wins and loses.
4. Owner has hired 3 head coaches since TC, he is trying, has not worked out.
5. GM - OL lost 2 starters by game 2. LT missed games, 2 veteran backup OL retired during training camp. GM traded for 2 young OL, did not work out as many hoped. What were you expecting? OL expectations went down the toilet by game 2.

Signed  
ij_reilly : 1/6/2022 8:33 pm : link
Thank you for putting this into place!
done  
speedywheels : 1/6/2022 8:33 pm : link
my $3 won't go far, but hopefully this eventually makes it in front of Mara and Co. They will probably ignore it, but oh well
I'm DMing famous Giants fans on Instagram  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:36 pm : link
Feel free to join me on different platforms!
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Why does the link have a political theme to it?  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 8:39 pm : link
I went to post on a Giants FB group but I'm not dealing with the idiotic "Pepe the frog in a Giants uni" nonsense
While I appreciate the letter  
upnyg : 1/6/2022 8:39 pm : link
This ownership needs to see empty seats for the last game. Dont sell the tickets, leave them empty.

Another option is to make a collection here and run a full page ad in one of the local papers. This is an oldschool ownership. Run an ad and then it can be shared on social media.

Buy a billboard by the stadium, be visible.


RE: I hope my dear...  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/6/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15533324 bw in dc said:
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Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.


No one was more wrong and more sure of himself than FMIC. But he has to take a break because this place is too toxic
RE: Why does the link have a political theme to it?  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15533391 montanagiant said:
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I went to post on a Giants FB group but I'm not dealing with the idiotic "Pepe the frog in a Giants uni" nonsense

Why do that? You're going to lose a ton of fans that would normally sign it
Perhaps  
steve in ky : 1/6/2022 8:41 pm : link
if he hadn’t mocked them on his front page, or once say that the Giants wouldn’t win again until “Wellington was dead”, John Mara just might respect Eric’s perspective, but your delusional if you believe John Mara gives a crap what Eric believes.
RE: Why does the link have a political theme to it?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15533391 montanagiant said:
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I went to post on a Giants FB group but I'm not dealing with the idiotic "Pepe the frog in a Giants uni" nonsense


I had no idea that frog was political. I just liked that he was sad and potentially suicidal seemingly over the Giants sucking. I'm happy to change the image, I just didn't want to do like the Giants logo because they could perhaps sue me. Totally open to suggestions.
This says pepe the frog is not inherently political  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:43 pm : link
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Pepe the Frog - ( New Window )
RE: This says pepe the frog is not inherently political  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15533401 NoGainDayne said:
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... Pepe the Frog - ( New Window )

Yeah buddy it is. It's a big symbol for the Alt-Right.
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In the 2010s, the character's image was appropriated as a symbol of the alt-right movement, as well as by white supremacists.[7] The Anti-Defamation League included Pepe in its hate symbol database in 2016, but said most instances of Pepe were not used in a hate-related context.[8][9] Since then, Furie has expressed his dismay at Pepe being used as a hate symbol and has sued organizations for doing so.[7]

In 2019, Pepe was used by protesters in the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests. Despite being used in a political context, Pepe the Frog's use in Hong Kong is not perceived as being connected with alt-right ideology. Furie has welcomed the use of Pepe by Hong Kong protesters.

Pepe remains a recognizable and familiar sight on social media platforms like 4chan, Twitch, Reddit, and Discord, where images are modified into custom pepe-based emoji.

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What’s the benefit to donating?  
bhill410 : 1/6/2022 8:48 pm : link
Will do so if there is an actual benefit but just seemed like a ploy. Would rather donate to BBI.
montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:51 pm : link
to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!
RE: What’s the benefit to donating?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15533408 bhill410 said:
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Will do so if there is an actual benefit but just seemed like a ploy. Would rather donate to BBI.


I think if you donate it shows it to more people
Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2022 8:57 pm : link
Lol
RE: Donate?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15533418 UConn4523 said:
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Lol


Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures
FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/6/2022 8:59 pm : link
While I applaud NoGainDayne in his attempt to influence here, this effort did not involve me.

I'm confused by people on this thread mentioning "donating"... is that with respect to Change.org? And if so, for what purpose? That seems shady to me.
RE: FYI...  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15533424 Eric from BBI said:
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While I applaud NoGainDayne in his attempt to influence here, this effort did not involve me.

I'm confused by people on this thread mentioning "donating"... is that with respect to Change.org? And if so, for what purpose? That seems shady to me.


Any petition on change.org allows people to donate to it and they basically use those dollars to promote the petition on their website, when people sign other petitions and maybe via email as well? That last part I don't know but I've been emailed about petitions before
Petitions don't do dick  
David B. : 1/6/2022 9:02 pm : link
In any walk of life.

Much better to hit the owners in the wallet. It's the only thing they understand. Don't buy tickets. Don't buy merch. If you happen have tickets, sell them to the away team fans, or post a video of you burning them. Seeing fans burn tickets was one of the only things that got Wellie off his ass. And John remembers that.
I mean there was one clown photo on this website  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:06 pm : link
and before long everyone on the team was talking about clowns...
RE: Perhaps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/6/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15533397 steve in ky said:
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if he hadn’t mocked them on his front page, or once say that the Giants wouldn’t win again until “Wellington was dead”, John Mara just might respect Eric’s perspective, but your delusional if you believe John Mara gives a crap what Eric believes.


John Mara has no fucking clue who I am. Even if he did, he could care less what my opinion is. He is the CEO of a billion dollar corporation who pretends to care what his customers think, but he really doesn't.

He's got bigger problems than little 'ole me making fun of him or saying mean things to him. #1 is he has no freaking clue what he is doing. That's not opinion. That's based on 10 years of utter futility. What do they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect different results?
Brilliant idea  
shocktheworld : 1/6/2022 9:10 pm : link
Just signed and kicked 25 bucks to the fund haha.

This is why Eric is the man, and this site certainly has some smart people frequenting it. This is a case in point. Good job and I hope this draws attention from management somehow. 🤞🏻



RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15533412 NoGainDayne said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!

Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit
RE: So some great updates on the petition  
GiantTuff1 : 1/6/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15533257 NoGainDayne said:
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about to hit 100 and we have a "David Carr" , "Chris Bober" and "David Wells"

Happy to have you all but if you read BBI and you are the David Wells from the Yankees, I was at your perfect game but sadly lost the beanie baby. You are one of my favorite Yankees!

And thanks for the support to all our potentially well known or not well known signers!


Is it public who signed the petition? Or is it supposed to be for your and John Mara / Giants eyes only?
RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
Koffman : 1/6/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15533441 montanagiant said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit


What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !
This Petition Is Like A Virtual Airplane Flying  
Trainmaster : 1/6/2022 9:20 pm : link
Over MetLife:

“10 Years Of Lousy Football; We’ve Had Enough!”

Or maybe

“We’re as mad as Hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!”
- from 1976 movie “Network” for the younger folks

RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15533422 NoGainDayne said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures


Thanks for the permission.
RE: RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15533458 Koffman said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit



What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !

Great idea, will do it right now
RE: RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15533458 Koffman said:
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In comment 15533412 NoGainDayne said:


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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit



What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !

Done and Done!!
Once again, great idea thank you.
RE: RE: Perhaps  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15533438 Eric from BBI said:
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if he hadn’t mocked them on his front page, or once say that the Giants wouldn’t win again until “Wellington was dead”, John Mara just might respect Eric’s perspective, but your delusional if you believe John Mara gives a crap what Eric believes.



John Mara has no fucking clue who I am. Even if he did, he could care less what my opinion is. He is the CEO of a billion dollar corporation who pretends to care what his customers think, but he really doesn't.

He's got bigger problems than little 'ole me making fun of him or saying mean things to him. #1 is he has no freaking clue what he is doing. That's not opinion. That's based on 10 years of utter futility. What do they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect different results?

I am willing to bet he does know about you and this site. Any entertainment company scours social media for stuff about them
I'm not seeing it on the Giants fan page on facebook  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:32 pm : link
Link?

You can put whatever name you like in but "Eli Manning" just signed  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:32 pm : link
that would be hilarious if it was real
RE: I'm not seeing it on the Giants fan page on facebook  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15533475 NoGainDayne said:
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Link?

I posted the link to:
It's a "G" Thang NY GIANTS FANS UNDERSTAND

And NY Giants official FB page. Be interesting to see how long it stays up on the official page. The link is to the official Giants page

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LMAO...It's already taken down on the official page  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:41 pm : link
That lasted all of 5 mins
Pat Hanlon is on the ball tonight  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:43 pm : link
I wonder if I end up getting a nasty tweet
RE: You can put whatever name you like in but  
Chris in Philly : 1/6/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15533476 NoGainDayne said:
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that would be hilarious if it was real


Narrator: It wasn’t.
RE: Good letter  
SomeFan : 1/6/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15533198 montanagiant said:
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Needs quote marks on the Jim Mora quote
It is intriguing that for a guy who was a good coach though not super successful, he has two of the most well-known quotes in NFL history.
so I wasted $30 donating?  
Payasdaddy : 1/6/2022 10:23 pm : link
well I have sure spent it on worse before
like getting a 1/4 gram from at 3 in the morning at noahs ark in poughkeepsie, only for it to be inositol
hate when that happened ( we are talking 1980s)
It’s a mostly good letter  
GiantTuff1 : 1/6/2022 10:32 pm : link
and I support petitioning in general but I just can’t get behind it.

If it were more strongly geared toward eliminating the nepotism, altering the front office to bring in new blood / better structure, and blowing up the ineffective scouting department and less about empowering Mara to fire Joe Judge I could get behind it.

The structural changes are root issues that need to be addressed first and foremost, or nothing else matters.

Whoever comes in as GM needs to be in lockstep with the coach regardless if that is Judge or someone else. The timelines need to be aligned.
RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15533461 UConn4523 said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.


It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
RE: I hope my dear...  
ron mexico : 1/6/2022 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15533324 bw in dc said:
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Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.


doubt it, he seemed to be losing it on one of his latest podcast complaining about how bad the fans are. Not posting here seems to be getting to him, the podcast façade is cracking.
Signed and donated  
Giants86 : 1/6/2022 10:54 pm : link
Let’s go!!
I posted it on my Twitter feed  
Rob in Corvallis : 1/6/2022 11:00 pm : link
all of my 152 followers will see it
Great letter, Eric  
Bill in UT : 1/6/2022 11:12 pm : link
My only critique is that while you mention the team being in purgatory, it feels more like hell to me
RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2022 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15533566 NoGainDayne said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.


The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
People donating to this…  
Chris in Philly : 1/6/2022 11:46 pm : link
are fucking weirdos.
Reprise '78 Protest  
bebopson : 1/6/2022 11:51 pm : link
Only this time, crash the plane into the owner's box.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2022 6:02 am : link
In comment 15533602 UConn4523 said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!

You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
Sorry will not sign. Nope  
map7711 : 1/7/2022 7:40 am : link
There is absolutely no reason to have Eli’s name in this letter about how screwed up this franchise is. None. I don’t give two shits about the parallels you are trying to show. Or I don’t care who wrote it. He absolutely doesn’t deserve to have his name associated with this document at all. Period. I don’t care if it’s true or not either. He still didn’t deserve it at all. You could of still accomplished the same message without his name in this letter. Poor judgement indeed.
I would be happy to sign  
JFIB : 1/7/2022 8:02 am : link
But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?
RE: I would be happy to sign  
JFIB : 1/7/2022 8:03 am : link
In comment 15533675 JFIB said:
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But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?



Never mind. Duh. I found it.
RE: I would be happy to sign  
Jim in Tampa : 1/7/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15533675 JFIB said:
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But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?

I haven't decided whether or not I want to sign the petition, but if you click the link the OP provided, it takes you to the petition itself. Then on that page all you have to do is fill out the contact info and click the "Sign the Petition" button.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 8:27 am : link
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In comment 15533461 UConn4523 said:


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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!


You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?


Yes.
Good letter  
Mellowmood92 : 1/7/2022 8:28 am : link
I signed it
Very happy to sign it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 8:29 am : link
Probably won't accomplish anything. But if it pisses off certain folks here, I'm all for it.
RE: Very happy to sign it.  
chick310 : 1/7/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15533693 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Probably won't accomplish anything. But if it pisses off certain folks here, I'm all for it.


It certainly is being mocked by Uconn4523 and probably his redcoat bootlicker compatriots.
I am  
Big Al : 1/7/2022 8:37 am : link
signing a petition to reverse the tides.
call me an old geezer  
fkap : 1/7/2022 9:05 am : link
who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.

Maybe I'm missing something.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15533602 UConn4523 said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!


So things that are good to complain about:

Writing snobbery
Petitions

Things that it does no good to complain about:

Horrible, horrible football teams

Well I guess since writing snobbery is in your list of "do's" on complaining you should probably know that you can't bootlick a letter.

Also at this point, you are always evasive about what you do and who you are. And are of course a bootlicking redcoat so you are likely have some connection to the team. Your positions including that of this letter make no sense without that.

RE: call me an old geezer  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/7/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15533750 fkap said:
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who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.

Maybe I'm missing something.


Another poster asked Eric if he could post it, in hopes that it would gain some support and hopefully catch eyeballs of staff in the building. Eric said he felt the request for $$$ from Change.org is a bit sketchy. Those donations do not support BBI in any way.
I'd add that change.org is the most commonly used  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:16 am : link
petition platform out there.

Donations are optional and they do say what the donations are for.

I don't think it's all that confusing either, if people donate I don't think there is anything remotely misleading about where it will go or if they are donating to say BBI.
Thanks Eric  
Pascal4554 : 1/7/2022 9:19 am : link
Appreciate you writing this. And thanks to NoGainDayne for posting.
all I did was laugh at donating to this  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 9:26 am : link
I kept the thoughts on the letter to myself until you called me out multiple times. I'm also not the only one that doesn't support this letter, several others posted they won't sign it on this thread alone, its very curious why you aren't challenging them too.

Your reaction to a "lol" is why so many have left this site. If you don't hate this team and organization you aren't in the club, or are considered a "compatriot" (cute name by the way). A simple "lol" has caused you to stoop to the lowest possible level. Do you act this way in real life?

Learn how to handle disagreement, and more importantly, understand that you don't know everything.
Your lol wasn't just an lol  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:36 am : link
don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.

You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?

Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.

You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
Control F: "Bootlick"  
JB_in_DC : 1/7/2022 9:51 am : link
13 results. Odd.
Wanna know why Giants Central isn't changing  
jvm52106 : 1/7/2022 9:51 am : link
and listening to the FANS- just look at this site and this thread. We can't agree on anything and what one sees someone else sees completely differently. There are thoughts about Fans being MEAN to Judge, or FANS don't know football and then the opposite some FANS here think they know the inner workings of the Giants and the rest of the NFL. We see the sides being arranged quickly:

Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones

It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..

Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.

Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.

Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.

Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
RE: Your lol wasn't just an lol  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15533796 NoGainDayne said:
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don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.

You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?

Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.

You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7


"bootlicking redcoat" Jesus Christ you are insufferable. There's definitely a "grade A jerk" here and it isn't me. And nothing like accusing someone of throwing insults, while throwing insults.

Has it ever occurred to you that "being right" really isn't something I care about, or even strived for? I root for other teams that have been perennial losers, I'm not out there trying to petition them either. Is it that hard to comprehend that I follow sports for entertainment and leave it at that? This notion that if you aren't out for blood you are just defending the billionaires is such flawed logic. I support DG being fired. I've supported moving on from Jones for this entire season and even part way through last season. I support firing Judge if the new GM wants him gone. I support wholesale change. I don't support constantly talking about it and if you have an issue with that, that's your problem not mine.
Here's the difference  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 10:56 am : link
you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
It wold be great  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/7/2022 11:09 am : link
to send this petition to John Mara complete with a free medium Pepsi.
RE: Here's the difference  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15534028 NoGainDayne said:
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you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.


You are so focused on being pissed and combative that you don't even realize when you are being agreed with, and that's always been the case. I'd wager I agree with you on more points than I disagree with, but I don't fit your preferred profile of constant agreement and tearing down of everything Giants on every thread so you act the way you act as a result.

I stand by my initial comment. Donating seems laughable to me and this letter didn't read well. If you or Eric or whoever can't handle that kind of criticism (which is unbelievably mild), than I'm at a loss for words on how to proceed other than to suggest ignoring me like I do for so many of the trolls on this board.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/7/2022 12:11 pm : link
Bit cringey - but I'll allow it :)
RE: Wanna know why Giants Central isn't changing  
Rjanyg : 1/7/2022 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15533830 jvm52106 said:
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and listening to the FANS- just look at this site and this thread. We can't agree on anything and what one sees someone else sees completely differently. There are thoughts about Fans being MEAN to Judge, or FANS don't know football and then the opposite some FANS here think they know the inner workings of the Giants and the rest of the NFL. We see the sides being arranged quickly:

Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones

It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..

Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.

Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.

Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.

Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...


Excellent post.
I am on board with the message  
Bergen346 : 1/7/2022 12:23 pm : link
but that is a poorly written letter.
 
christian : 1/7/2022 12:25 pm : link
Eric has always done a nice job of maintaining the editorial side of this site.

Many of us interact mainly in the forum, but the editorial part of this site draws plenty of traffic and attention.

Whether John Mara knows who Eric is or not, the Giants do know what BBI is and the place it holds with hundreds of thousands of fans through the years. Eric’s letter is meaningful.

Change.org petitions have shown time and again to be attention getting tools for the public to get their voice heard from corporations, representatives etc.

If it’s not your style or not something you find interesting, there are hundreds of other discussions happening on this forum. Just scroll down. There’s absolutely nothing weirder on this site than those who jump in, just to announce they aren’t interested in the topic.
RE: I am on board with the message  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15534242 Bergen346 said:
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but that is a poorly written letter.


Many people could have written this letter. We could have collaborated, suggested edits etc.

But Eric is a fan first and foremost I think. And we are all here because of him. To me that's powerful. This could be said in many different ways but I've at times thought that Eric has been too understanding of the team. And I think people think he's being to hard on them now. I'd say he stays pretty balanced and fair. We aren't a law firm, we are fans and I think this captures the mood of the fans well. He's pretty practiced at that after all
Or go see a good movie  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 12:34 pm : link
if you can find one...
RE: RE: I hope my dear...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15533571 ron mexico said:
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Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.



doubt it, he seemed to be losing it on one of his latest podcast complaining about how bad the fans are. Not posting here seems to be getting to him, the podcast façade is cracking.


That damn Fat friend of mine is always up to something. Leave it to him to home in on the fans as a problem. The teflon he has wrapped around these owners and management is just bizarre.

What's the name of that podcast again?

JFC...  
RC in MD : 1/7/2022 1:31 pm : link
This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.
760 signatures in 20 hours.  
japanhead : 1/7/2022 1:41 pm : link
is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.
RE: JFC...  
japanhead : 1/7/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15534383 RC in MD said:
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This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.


one "grown assed" adult wrote it.

re: poorly written-- check out your own post.
RE: 760 signatures in 20 hours.  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15534404 japanhead said:
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is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.


I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good
I think  
Photoguy : 1/7/2022 1:51 pm : link
they'll give it a cursory look, then file it away somewhere. You might get a form letter stating their appreciation for your input, maybe. JMHO.
RE: RE: JFC...  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15534407 japanhead said:
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This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.



one "grown assed" adult wrote it.

re: poorly written-- check out your own post.


It's odd, people are critical of a letter when the team of highly paid individuals can't even reach a performance level of poor. They'd be lucky to have just poor performance. Yet some people prefer to critique the hobbyists just engaging with this in this way because they care.
RE: RE: 760 signatures in 20 hours.  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15534417 NoGainDayne said:
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is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.



I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good


Congrats on helping change.org cover their overhead, I guess.
You are pretty irrationally loyal to the team Chris  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 2:02 pm : link
who do you know there?

Or do you just enjoy losing and/or putting your faith in hopeless causes?
RE: You are pretty irrationally loyal to the team Chris  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15534459 NoGainDayne said:
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who do you know there?

Or do you just enjoy losing and/or putting your faith in hopeless causes?


Ah, I see your confusion. You are confusing me thinking people donating money to this is stupid with me being overly loyal to the team (and therefore must know people there). Here in the real world, I can think (a) DG needs to go, (b) the team needs a major overhaul, and (c) donating to this is idiotic. I can have those separate thoughts.
Definitely all fair comments  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 2:20 pm : link
but overall you seem to be more critical of people critical of the team than the team itself.

Just an observation...
RE: RE: 760 signatures in 20 hours.  
japanhead : 1/7/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15534417 NoGainDayne said:
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is this impressive? i have no frame of reference for these things.



I don't do a lot of petitions lol. But I definitely think raising $612 in less than 24 hours is good


i didn't donate to this and have no idea what the money is even supposed to go toward, but i did sign it.

was more curious about how the number of signatures in the allotted time stacks up with other similar efforts, etc etc.
RE: JFC...  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15534383 RC in MD said:
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This is so cringe. Can't believe a bunch of grown-assed adults wrote that poorly written letter then made it public. Seriously...all I can do is laugh.

You’re a grown assed adult using “cringe” in a sentence? While ridiculing others?

You’d have been better off just sitting this one out.
It's really NOT that they blew the #2 and # 6 Picks!!!  
Rafflee : 1/7/2022 4:24 pm : link
It really is everything else they've done. Barkley was a great player...maybe he still can be a great player. Jones remained an open question for most people for a long time...there may still be some question. You pick a QB and HOPE...so, that's what you always get with a QB Pick.

The problem is that THEY don't seem to have a good command of what an NFL Player looks like! Start with O Line. I get the injuries, but they planned for absolute perfection and they projected guys poorly...their own guys!!!! Peart Can't play?...the projected starter!!!??? Fernandez cannot play... I've never liked him, and he's made me right! Then they disregarded the quality of their backups. This continued with their backup QB,,,he cannot play!!!! I lay this at the feet of Gettlemen, but I cannot accept that Judge and his staff weren't in on evaluation of needs versus their own roster.

Their present draft---No O Linemen?,,,, a late round Specials RB?????? That's how rock solid the roster was!!!???..a Special Teams Only RB!!!?????

PS...the coaching?.... maybe they're running a great skills clinic, but their evaluation of their players and their in game decisions SUCK!!!!!

Blech!!!!



If That Letter Was Sent To Me >>>>>>  
couchcoach100 : 1/8/2022 7:35 pm : link
I would have read the 1st 2 paragraphs and threw it out. Before you get your panties in a bunch PLEASE HEAR ME OUT.

1st off that letter was NOT a letter of concern (Even though I know it was, but Im not John Mara) that letter was a personal Attack of John Mara and the entire Giants Organization.

No one is going to take being attacked and being totally and brutally criticized by a person that has no idea about the inner workings of a Business or attacking the person the letter is addressed to. Also I dont care who it is, no one is going to read a letter from someone he or she doesn't know from GOD himself that is attacking he or she personally.

There are way better ways to word things in a letter than to personally attack that person. Human nature itself is going to step in and say this guy is a total ass and has no idea what he is talking about, and that is as far as it would ever go.

Im sorry there is a lot better ways to word something like that letter without attacking the person and the organization.

I would bet my life savings that, that letter went directly into the shredder and he hasnt tjhought about since he read it.

Did you ever thinkmthat you could have stated FACT instead of opinion and still gotten your point accross?? In my n experience that always seemed to work a lot better that a personal attack, which in all reality when being attacked 99% of all people just stop listening or in this case STOP READING.

I understand what you were trying get accross and the reasons for it, I didnt agree with all of it but I understood it. Opinion NEVER goes anywhere, OPINION added in with attacks is DOOMED TO FAIL.
Just in case anyone wants to take another look at this  
NoGainDayne : 1/10/2022 12:11 pm : link
Lol Giants
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