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Eric's Open Letter to Giants Management as a Petition

NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 5:49 pm
Sign and share everyone, let's get some attention to this issue.
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RE: Perhaps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/6/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15533397 steve in ky said:
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if he hadn’t mocked them on his front page, or once say that the Giants wouldn’t win again until “Wellington was dead”, John Mara just might respect Eric’s perspective, but your delusional if you believe John Mara gives a crap what Eric believes.


John Mara has no fucking clue who I am. Even if he did, he could care less what my opinion is. He is the CEO of a billion dollar corporation who pretends to care what his customers think, but he really doesn't.

He's got bigger problems than little 'ole me making fun of him or saying mean things to him. #1 is he has no freaking clue what he is doing. That's not opinion. That's based on 10 years of utter futility. What do they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect different results?
Brilliant idea  
shocktheworld : 1/6/2022 9:10 pm : link
Just signed and kicked 25 bucks to the fund haha.

This is why Eric is the man, and this site certainly has some smart people frequenting it. This is a case in point. Good job and I hope this draws attention from management somehow. 🤞🏻



RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15533412 NoGainDayne said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!

Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit
RE: So some great updates on the petition  
GiantTuff1 : 1/6/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15533257 NoGainDayne said:
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about to hit 100 and we have a "David Carr" , "Chris Bober" and "David Wells"

Happy to have you all but if you read BBI and you are the David Wells from the Yankees, I was at your perfect game but sadly lost the beanie baby. You are one of my favorite Yankees!

And thanks for the support to all our potentially well known or not well known signers!


Is it public who signed the petition? Or is it supposed to be for your and John Mara / Giants eyes only?
RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
Koffman : 1/6/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15533441 montanagiant said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit


What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !
This Petition Is Like A Virtual Airplane Flying  
Trainmaster : 1/6/2022 9:20 pm : link
Over MetLife:

“10 Years Of Lousy Football; We’ve Had Enough!”

Or maybe

“We’re as mad as Hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!”
- from 1976 movie “Network” for the younger folks

RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15533422 NoGainDayne said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures


Thanks for the permission.
RE: RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15533458 Koffman said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit



What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !

Great idea, will do it right now
RE: RE: RE: montana as I said it was unintentional, image has been changed  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15533458 Koffman said:
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to something a little more universally likable. I'd prefer if these people were also trying to electrocute themselves but anything to make the petition acceptable to a wider audience!


Sounds good NGD..I will post the link on FB and Reddit



What if we even went as far as to post the link on FB in the Giants official page !

Done and Done!!
Once again, great idea thank you.
RE: RE: Perhaps  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15533438 Eric from BBI said:
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if he hadn’t mocked them on his front page, or once say that the Giants wouldn’t win again until “Wellington was dead”, John Mara just might respect Eric’s perspective, but your delusional if you believe John Mara gives a crap what Eric believes.



John Mara has no fucking clue who I am. Even if he did, he could care less what my opinion is. He is the CEO of a billion dollar corporation who pretends to care what his customers think, but he really doesn't.

He's got bigger problems than little 'ole me making fun of him or saying mean things to him. #1 is he has no freaking clue what he is doing. That's not opinion. That's based on 10 years of utter futility. What do they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect different results?

I am willing to bet he does know about you and this site. Any entertainment company scours social media for stuff about them
I'm not seeing it on the Giants fan page on facebook  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:32 pm : link
Link?

You can put whatever name you like in but "Eli Manning" just signed  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 9:32 pm : link
that would be hilarious if it was real
RE: I'm not seeing it on the Giants fan page on facebook  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15533475 NoGainDayne said:
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Link?

I posted the link to:
It's a "G" Thang NY GIANTS FANS UNDERSTAND

And NY Giants official FB page. Be interesting to see how long it stays up on the official page. The link is to the official Giants page

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LMAO...It's already taken down on the official page  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:41 pm : link
That lasted all of 5 mins
Pat Hanlon is on the ball tonight  
montanagiant : 1/6/2022 9:43 pm : link
I wonder if I end up getting a nasty tweet
RE: You can put whatever name you like in but  
Chris in Philly : 1/6/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15533476 NoGainDayne said:
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that would be hilarious if it was real


Narrator: It wasn’t.
RE: Good letter  
SomeFan : 1/6/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15533198 montanagiant said:
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Needs quote marks on the Jim Mora quote
It is intriguing that for a guy who was a good coach though not super successful, he has two of the most well-known quotes in NFL history.
so I wasted $30 donating?  
Payasdaddy : 1/6/2022 10:23 pm : link
well I have sure spent it on worse before
like getting a 1/4 gram from at 3 in the morning at noahs ark in poughkeepsie, only for it to be inositol
hate when that happened ( we are talking 1980s)
It’s a mostly good letter  
GiantTuff1 : 1/6/2022 10:32 pm : link
and I support petitioning in general but I just can’t get behind it.

If it were more strongly geared toward eliminating the nepotism, altering the front office to bring in new blood / better structure, and blowing up the ineffective scouting department and less about empowering Mara to fire Joe Judge I could get behind it.

The structural changes are root issues that need to be addressed first and foremost, or nothing else matters.

Whoever comes in as GM needs to be in lockstep with the coach regardless if that is Judge or someone else. The timelines need to be aligned.
RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
NoGainDayne : 1/6/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15533461 UConn4523 said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.


It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.
RE: I hope my dear...  
ron mexico : 1/6/2022 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15533324 bw in dc said:
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Fat friend in Charlotte is allowed some time from the BBI Witness Protection Program to sign and donate.


doubt it, he seemed to be losing it on one of his latest podcast complaining about how bad the fans are. Not posting here seems to be getting to him, the podcast façade is cracking.
Signed and donated  
Giants86 : 1/6/2022 10:54 pm : link
Let’s go!!
I posted it on my Twitter feed  
Rob in Corvallis : 1/6/2022 11:00 pm : link
all of my 152 followers will see it
Great letter, Eric  
Bill in UT : 1/6/2022 11:12 pm : link
My only critique is that while you mention the team being in purgatory, it feels more like hell to me
RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/6/2022 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15533566 NoGainDayne said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.


The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!
People donating to this…  
Chris in Philly : 1/6/2022 11:46 pm : link
are fucking weirdos.
Reprise '78 Protest  
bebopson : 1/6/2022 11:51 pm : link
Only this time, crash the plane into the owner's box.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2022 6:02 am : link
In comment 15533602 UConn4523 said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!

You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?
Sorry will not sign. Nope  
map7711 : 1/7/2022 7:40 am : link
There is absolutely no reason to have Eli’s name in this letter about how screwed up this franchise is. None. I don’t give two shits about the parallels you are trying to show. Or I don’t care who wrote it. He absolutely doesn’t deserve to have his name associated with this document at all. Period. I don’t care if it’s true or not either. He still didn’t deserve it at all. You could of still accomplished the same message without his name in this letter. Poor judgement indeed.
I would be happy to sign  
JFIB : 1/7/2022 8:02 am : link
But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?
RE: I would be happy to sign  
JFIB : 1/7/2022 8:03 am : link
In comment 15533675 JFIB said:
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But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?



Never mind. Duh. I found it.
RE: I would be happy to sign  
Jim in Tampa : 1/7/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15533675 JFIB said:
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But I can't figure out how. Can someone post a link to the signature part please?

I haven't decided whether or not I want to sign the petition, but if you click the link the OP provided, it takes you to the petition itself. Then on that page all you have to do is fill out the contact info and click the "Sign the Petition" button.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 8:27 am : link
In comment 15533652 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!


You do know that Eric wrote the actual letter, right?


Yes.
Good letter  
Mellowmood92 : 1/7/2022 8:28 am : link
I signed it
Very happy to sign it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 8:29 am : link
Probably won't accomplish anything. But if it pisses off certain folks here, I'm all for it.
RE: Very happy to sign it.  
chick310 : 1/7/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15533693 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Probably won't accomplish anything. But if it pisses off certain folks here, I'm all for it.


It certainly is being mocked by Uconn4523 and probably his redcoat bootlicker compatriots.
I am  
Big Al : 1/7/2022 8:37 am : link
signing a petition to reverse the tides.
call me an old geezer  
fkap : 1/7/2022 9:05 am : link
who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.

Maybe I'm missing something.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Donate?  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:13 am : link
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Lol



Laugh all you want $300 in donations for 375 signatures



Thanks for the permission.



It's funny you are always like, "I see all the things you see I just don't like to complain, complaining gets you nowhere"

Meanwhile you come to yuck people's yum on a thread where they are actually trying to make something happen.

So apparently you only think it's valid to complain about people trying to enact change but not about a team that sucks.

Most of your redcoat bootlicker compatriots aren't here anymore but good for you for sticking it out as someone who ended up on the wrong side of the "the billion dollar organization I like to boot lick is competent debate" you could have picked any number of competent billion dollar organizations but congratulations to you for somehow arguing for one of the few completely incompetent ones.



The only bootlicking here is you of this poorly worded and structured letter. Don’t let me get in the way of your crusade though, hope you get your petition quota!


So things that are good to complain about:

Writing snobbery
Petitions

Things that it does no good to complain about:

Horrible, horrible football teams

Well I guess since writing snobbery is in your list of "do's" on complaining you should probably know that you can't bootlick a letter.

Also at this point, you are always evasive about what you do and who you are. And are of course a bootlicking redcoat so you are likely have some connection to the team. Your positions including that of this letter make no sense without that.

RE: call me an old geezer  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/7/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15533750 fkap said:
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who doesn't understand things, but what is Eric's connection to the petition? As I see it, Eric wrote a letter for his website that then got copied onto a business website that makes money from posting petitions. Does this have Eric's blessing? And the only donation spot I see is to donate to Change.org, which I don't think cares much one way or the other how the Giants fare.

Maybe I'm missing something.


Another poster asked Eric if he could post it, in hopes that it would gain some support and hopefully catch eyeballs of staff in the building. Eric said he felt the request for $$$ from Change.org is a bit sketchy. Those donations do not support BBI in any way.
I'd add that change.org is the most commonly used  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:16 am : link
petition platform out there.

Donations are optional and they do say what the donations are for.

I don't think it's all that confusing either, if people donate I don't think there is anything remotely misleading about where it will go or if they are donating to say BBI.
Thanks Eric  
Pascal4554 : 1/7/2022 9:19 am : link
Appreciate you writing this. And thanks to NoGainDayne for posting.
all I did was laugh at donating to this  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 9:26 am : link
I kept the thoughts on the letter to myself until you called me out multiple times. I'm also not the only one that doesn't support this letter, several others posted they won't sign it on this thread alone, its very curious why you aren't challenging them too.

Your reaction to a "lol" is why so many have left this site. If you don't hate this team and organization you aren't in the club, or are considered a "compatriot" (cute name by the way). A simple "lol" has caused you to stoop to the lowest possible level. Do you act this way in real life?

Learn how to handle disagreement, and more importantly, understand that you don't know everything.
Your lol wasn't just an lol  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 9:36 am : link
don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.

You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?

Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.

You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7
Control F: "Bootlick"  
JB_in_DC : 1/7/2022 9:51 am : link
13 results. Odd.
Wanna know why Giants Central isn't changing  
jvm52106 : 1/7/2022 9:51 am : link
and listening to the FANS- just look at this site and this thread. We can't agree on anything and what one sees someone else sees completely differently. There are thoughts about Fans being MEAN to Judge, or FANS don't know football and then the opposite some FANS here think they know the inner workings of the Giants and the rest of the NFL. We see the sides being arranged quickly:

Pro Mara vs Anti Mara
Pro Judge vs Anti Judge
Pro Dg-- ok that one that doesn't exist
Pro Judge stuck with bad Jones vs Anti Judge Pro Jones

It goes on and on. The biggest factor is we are all Giants fans. To be honest the only way we can get our point across is to not buy TICKETS, not buy Giants MERCH and make it obvious- show up to the stadium but do not go in..

Instead we fight with each other, fight with the media guys/gals and argue constantly in absolutes that NONE of us can really state.

Do I love the NY Giants? Absolutely. I have been a die hard fan since 1970 (at the age of 1)- ok, I have pictures of me in a Giants shirt watching Giants football with my dad holding. But a big time die hard fan since the early 70's.

Do I like where the Giants are at today- HELL NO. It is embarrassing.

Have I soured on Joe Judge? YES and I believe completely he needs to go. It isn't a knee jerk reaction. It is piecing together things he ahs said since he was hired with the results that have come. His talk in the beginning was setting the tone and now it is all about CYA, about how the true gains are in things we cannot see. That to me flies in the face of the stance he took when hired. When you preach one thing and your team exhibits another that is a big problem. I don't care if a guy is an asshole, hell BB isn't exactly a warm and friendly guy, but I do care when you come off as an asshole trying to somehow defend your 10-22 record as a HC. Nothing Joe Judge has down in two years has me seeing a potential Playoff winning and SB winning HC. Instead I see a guy who could easily be gone now but at this rate will surely be gone next year with 3 to 1 losses to wins...
RE: Your lol wasn't just an lol  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15533796 NoGainDayne said:
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don't play dumb yourself. You aren't smart, but you aren't dumb either.

You've spent years trying to undercut any criticism of the team and now you want you laughing at people caring about a petition to be ignored?

Don't play innocent, you've been a class A jerk. And maybe I've been one too at times but you and your compatriots called me a liar and a fraud among other things for pointing out very valid things. That have proven to be more and more valid as they've aged. Unlike your points. You are a bootlicking redcoat. These are facts. And no I don't know everything, but I was one of the early people calling out how backwards this team was and how poorly that was going to go for us. There is no easy way to point out a multi-billion dollar organization doesn't know what they are doing but I did my best and it was and has been much more difficult and unpleasant dealing with people like you. Whose positions consisted of insults, bad devil's advocate arguments and appeals to authority.

You should be eating crow right now. Instead you are mocking people who are trying to fix things with a petition. But hey that's you right? Confidently in the wrong and a class A jerk, 24/7


"bootlicking redcoat" Jesus Christ you are insufferable. There's definitely a "grade A jerk" here and it isn't me. And nothing like accusing someone of throwing insults, while throwing insults.

Has it ever occurred to you that "being right" really isn't something I care about, or even strived for? I root for other teams that have been perennial losers, I'm not out there trying to petition them either. Is it that hard to comprehend that I follow sports for entertainment and leave it at that? This notion that if you aren't out for blood you are just defending the billionaires is such flawed logic. I support DG being fired. I've supported moving on from Jones for this entire season and even part way through last season. I support firing Judge if the new GM wants him gone. I support wholesale change. I don't support constantly talking about it and if you have an issue with that, that's your problem not mine.
Here's the difference  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 10:56 am : link
you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.
It wold be great  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/7/2022 11:09 am : link
to send this petition to John Mara complete with a free medium Pepsi.
RE: Here's the difference  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15534028 NoGainDayne said:
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you come onto this thread to mock people and then decide you want to play the victim. You've gone out of your way to try to undermine legitimate points I've tried to make with your BS so many times and then you want to act like you are innocent.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with jerks. And I don't mind being a jerk back to them.


You are so focused on being pissed and combative that you don't even realize when you are being agreed with, and that's always been the case. I'd wager I agree with you on more points than I disagree with, but I don't fit your preferred profile of constant agreement and tearing down of everything Giants on every thread so you act the way you act as a result.

I stand by my initial comment. Donating seems laughable to me and this letter didn't read well. If you or Eric or whoever can't handle that kind of criticism (which is unbelievably mild), than I'm at a loss for words on how to proceed other than to suggest ignoring me like I do for so many of the trolls on this board.
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