Nothing we didn’t already assume, but here is a scoop.
The source is a bit of an unknown….Chris Moore, a CBS Sports Network/WFAN personality.
I can confirm what has widely been speculated regarding Dave Gettleman, he will retire on Monday. |
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And a historic awful four years!
agreed but whatever, the important part is he's gone.
Maybe, but it doesn't matter at this point. As bad as he's been as GM, he has a solid history with the franchise. Give him his gold watch and say goodbye.
No the LEAST they could do was give out SMALL Pepsi's to their loyal fan base as a reward....As always they went above and beyond with the medium;)
Totally agree.
what would you expect to get out the interview?
The true piece to watch now is has the original plan changed (ie internal promotion was probably plan A) and who are we looking at bringing in?
I will once again put my bet on Scott Pioli.
Guess it doesn't matter as long as he's gone.
Retiring is not a pound of flesh. He should have been walked out by security.
Punishment doesn’t fix anything. He’s been disgraced for weeks in the public eye. What difference does it make at this point?
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fucking least this franchise can do. The very fucking least. Give us more!
No the LEAST they could do was give out SMALL Pepsi's to their loyal fan base as a reward....As always they went above and beyond with the medium;)
Touche
If he had a scintilla of humility it would be so much easier. This isn't personal, professionally he did an awful job.
Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.
If Dave is no longer involved with the organization going forward that should be enough.
Yeah, but at the same time it reeks of the same lack of accountability they've had for a while.
Fundamentally, I agree with everything you're saying.
Be nice if he had to answer some tough questions out the door and be a man!
He's already done a good enough job of that himself.
I want to say a lot worse, but I'll land on "Thanks for nothing."
Please!!
I’ll start a gofundme.
“It’s good to see arrogance humbled” I think is the best way to describe how many are feeling. But I agree with JonC that that is counterproductive to getting good people in the door.
Retiring also saves face for Mara don't forget. Around and around we go...They'll keep Judge since they're still paying Shurmur. That's the worst part.
If you never admit your mistakes, do you make them? That's the Giants' way.
Great post!
Couldn't have said it better myself. If he was just a failure I'd be happy to let him walk away, but given how condescending he's been while being a failure - he should be fucking skewered.
I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.
some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.
Isn't it amazing?
And these people showing up on thread to thread hyperventilating over the revenge porn they seek against a man who has done nothing more than be a really bad GM for their team. And many of them think it speaks to their greater football knowledge.
I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.
some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.
Yup, I don't get it. DG's is being lumped in with the real dregs of society - those are the ones that deserve it. This guy did a bad job, its not life or death.
This, but since his contract is up the Giants probably gave him a choice: announce your retirement from th game OR we'll announce your firing. Nobody else will want to hire his ass after this debacle, so he went for the former. His health and history with the organization gave him some cache with ownership too, so it is what it is. However, if he had another year left on his contract, then his ass would have been swept into the dustbin. Eff him either way. The man was a disaster.
I agree JonC. When I brought my son up to camp in Albany (my son has a heart condition) along with a friend who played for Dave in high school, Dave knew my son's name, asked him how he was doing and was very gracious to us. I can't say anything bad about him. I just wish things would have worked out better.
Retiring also saves face for Mara don't forget. Around and around we go...They'll keep Judge since they're still paying Shurmur. That's the worst part.
If you never admit your mistakes, do you make them? That's the Giants' way.
Wow they are still paying Shurm? Not something I've thought about it and quite frankly I'd be hesitant to be paying 2 Head Coaches and then paying a new hire. While I want them to be paying a new HC next season, if I'm writing the checks that would be a reason for me to give JJ one more year.
Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.
BINGO
Cool graphic!
Maybe if you try hard enough you and your revenge porn friends can come up with Gettleman's number and order a bunch of pizzas to his house. Only then will you be satisfied with his dismissal!
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Great post!
I know, thank you.
Yeah, the over the top vitriol is stunning. The guy didn't molest little kids or violate women, he wasn't good at his job, that's all. Let him go, why the need for some sort of vengence? Say he sucked and let's move on.
Some people's motivation is telling other people to take the high road.
To each there own.
Yup.
Bingo!
I have no interest in hearing any garbage from him or about him. We have to move on. We've had to for a while now.
Don't forget sexist.
I don't imagine he'll be missed by many. As a reminder here is the Giants' pathetic puff piece planted in December 2019 to depict him as something other than an asshole before announcing he would be brought back.
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Evan Engram isn't bad human being either, and nobody is saying calm down on the vitriol. And he's been a model citizen and great teammate.
DG got paid a ton of money and had a full 4 year contract to pile drive the football department to ruin. Great.
I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.
some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.
As part of the successful years, I am not going to wish him anything but a good retirement
With that.....it was time to go
Agreed.
The glory? This is delusional.
The guy won a lot in this league. Maybe it was ego, time, both ...it didn't work out (at all) as a GM here. Which sucks. I'm sure it eats away more at him than most of us.
Lets see if ownership has learned and adapted from this or if nothing really changes. I lean the latter.
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JJ wont be fired. Mara should have fired DG, instead he gets the glory to retire. Embarrassing. The giants way is here to stay
The glory? This is delusional.
Chris do you ever note whine about something, yes its glory. People retire from a job when they have done the job at a high level. I am not going into stats/back and forth why DG is a bad GM. He doesn't deserve to retire, you're on crack if you think he does.
They had a good run here on BBI over the last four years.
Will try to pull up some of the better DG threads I can find in the archives when I get a chance...
I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.
I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.
Shurmur got a 5 year contract.
I get not liking the job he did, but people want this guy publicly humiliated. Have some class.
I have no love for the guy and think he was a terrible higher and an arrogant jerk. But I don't really care if he's fired or not, the performance speaks for itself. Let's focus our complaining energy on terrible decisions not yet made yet like promoting Abrams or keeping on Judge. Point your vitriol there...
All most are really clamoring for is accountability.
Yup. Wonder what that's about...
here here CIP.
BBI is not what it used to be.
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...
Why don't you tell us...
YES, there is a need to pile on. The idiot made millions of dollars destroying the institution he was hired to save.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...
Why don't you tell us...
I don't know what it's about, that's why I'm wondering.
It doesn't make sense. One was good at his job and carried himself with class, yet was fired. The other guy made Ray Handley look like Bill Walsh and was a complete jerk, and yet was allowed to retire.
Doesn't add up.
I just don't really care at this point. Unless his disappearance financially costs me personally somehow, he can go any which way he can.
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.
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I'm referring more to the angry calls to humiliate him.
He's already done a good enough job of that himself.
I want to say a lot worse, but I'll land on "Thanks for nothing."
If only it were just nothing! What he did was somehow WORSE than nothing.
Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.
As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.
Why are you here?
You suspect the franchise has racist figures.
You openly root for them to lose.
You think nothing good if the New York Giants (beyond just football) and yet you are on the most popular Giants fan message board daily just to complain about it all.
It would be so nice if you would just pick up the Ravens full time.
One Man Thrill Ride’s post holds up - respekt
Fuck him. Fuck his retirement. Let him be remembered as one of the worst, most destructive, most disgraceful figures in the long history of the franchise. Fuck him.
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...
Why don't you tell us...
I don't know what it's about, that's why I'm wondering.
It doesn't make sense. One was good at his job and carried himself with class, yet was fired. The other guy made Ray Handley look like Bill Walsh and was a complete jerk, and yet was allowed to retire.
Doesn't add up.
Maybe Reese wasn’t ready to retire?
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people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.
Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...
We know DG was along for the ride with Thomas (Garrett) and Baker (Shurmur). It stands to reason he was along for the ride in various other personnel decisions as well. Like Bettcher pushing for crappy ex-Cardinal players.
This is the problem many have been pointing out. The Giants have a "collaborative" structure and it muddies the waters re: accountability. Not sure about Barkley but Pettit pushing hard for him, and I seriously doubt Dave decided all by himself to select Daniel Jones. Rather, he was influenced by Shurmur (he had said as much) and Mara's insistence to get someone Eli-like who could come in and "learn under Eli" for a year.
I am no Gettleman fan, and I have little doubt he is directly responsible for Jonathan Stewart and Mike Shula and various other shitty decisions.
But the problems with the Giants started long before Gettleman got the GM job. Yes, the problems obviously spiraled under his GMship. But the problems are likely to continue if the Giants keep hiring long-tenured front office yes-men like Abrams, or terrible coaches like McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge.
Fuck him. Fuck his retirement. Let him be remembered as one of the worst, most destructive, most disgraceful figures in the long history of the franchise. Fuck him.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Thanks for the memories, Resume...
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are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.
I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.
Shurmur got a 5 year contract.
My error. Even more disgusting how big these coach contracts have been and how terrible the choices are magnified. Almost 6m per year for this garbage to each coach going on 5 years?
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are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.
I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.
Shurmur got a 5 year contract.
My error. Even more disgusting how big these coach contracts have been and how terrible the choices are magnified. Almost 6m per year for this garbage to each coach going on 5 years?
I think Mara hates both the dollars and years but this is what the market is. I never liked the guaranteed contracts especially since the players don't get them.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
If you're a Giants fan, seeing him gone is a very good thing.
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.
STFU... all of the things that have come to light this season does not give you pause on the true history of things just exposes you as a fool with an agenda.
Gettleman is a man who is incapable of doing his job but is an asshole to boot.
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In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.
STFU... all of the things that have come to light this season does not give you pause on the true history of things just exposes you as a fool with an agenda.
Oh the biggest cheerleader of them all chimes in. Enjoy that framed picture of the 2012 draft. Wilson, Randle, Hosley, JPPTE's, Mosley, McCants, Kuhn. Glad your guy addressed the true needs after the 2012 NFCCG!
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people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.
Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...
We know DG was along for the ride with Thomas (Garrett) and Baker (Shurmur). It stands to reason he was along for the ride in various other personnel decisions as well. Like Bettcher pushing for crappy ex-Cardinal players.
This is the problem many have been pointing out. The Giants have a "collaborative" structure and it muddies the waters re: accountability. Not sure about Barkley but Pettit pushing hard for him, and I seriously doubt Dave decided all by himself to select Daniel Jones. Rather, he was influenced by Shurmur (he had said as much) and Mara's insistence to get someone Eli-like who could come in and "learn under Eli" for a year.
I am no Gettleman fan, and I have little doubt he is directly responsible for Jonathan Stewart and Mike Shula and various other shitty decisions.
But the problems with the Giants started long before Gettleman got the GM job. Yes, the problems obviously spiraled under his GMship. But the problems are likely to continue if the Giants keep hiring long-tenured front office yes-men like Abrams, or terrible coaches like McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge.
Some good thoughts in here and a lot of not-so-good.
To point out specifically that DG was just along for the ride on critical first round picks but should be held directly accountable for guys like Stewart is laughable. He's the GM and he drives the bus. Not just part of the bus...the whole thing.
Garning input from scouts, head coaches assistants, player personnel and even family members with football titles is part of the job. It's still his ultimate primary responsibility to gather as much information, data, film and opinions and sort thru who makes sense to acquire and who doesn't in his overall judgment. And to ensure everyone fits into an overall roster building process and plan.
The decisions are DG's and the team wins 4-5 games per year because of his crappy performance.
If not for the Eli benching, Mara would have waited until at least the end of the season to fire Reese. I doubt it had anything to do with race as Reese and Gettleman are two entirely different circumstances.
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.
Didn't he call Eli skittish after the '07 Vikings game?
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In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.
Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.
You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."
Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.
Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.
2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.
Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great.
What it is is inoffensive lukewarm commentary at best.
He did not just have "one job". If all he did was draft offensive linemen you'd have been pissing and moaning that he failed to surround him with targets to throw to. Or a defense.
I'm not much interested in your opinion based on this shoddy argument you're trying to cobble together. It's telling enough based on your attitude that the only people you think played a hand in winning are Coughlin and Eli. Cool. You and half the fanbase incorrectly believe that.
Shake it off, shake it off.
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.
Your comments are idiotic… this being only the most recent example.
They had a good run here on BBI over the last four years.
Will try to pull up some of the better DG threads I can find in the archives when I get a chance...
May have spoken to soon.
Looks like there are still a handful of posters that do not want to turn in their "Gettleman Fan Club" buttons and secret decoder rings just yet...
That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
Right. When he actually did his job- he sucked. Better GMs don't make those picks where he made them (Barkley/Jones).
That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.
Again, knowing what we know now, we cannot just say these were JR drafts. Chris Mara pined for the GM job for fucks sake. Who knows, except to say this organization after the anointing of John and Chris as operational managers have failed completely. That to ME is the real story here.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.
And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.
I felt embarrassed of what the Giants had become that day.
I felt embarrassed of what the Giants had become that day.
Wait, what? This sounds hilarious.
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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.
And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.
But what other choice did the man have? He was a pasty of sorts from the jump. Which is what the Mara's were looking to hire. He was certainly a complicit patsy...a puppet if you will.
DG was a guy that didn't have a job, wasn't getting another shot anywhere else in the NFL, and basically got a job by telling Giants ownership exactly what they wanted to hear.
There was a logic behind the moves he made - they just didn't work. But given the cards he was dealt - there were times I was convinced he knew what he was doing...and now a bunch of people are on swearing they knew all along he was F'n up (go look at the Kenny G link someone posted in the other link).
There were a few who remained steadfast from the beginning (kudos to you - you were right - do You feel good now? - maybe you do - pretty sure my wife does when she plays told ya so), some that flip-flopped back and forth during his tenure - like myself, and others that believed full steam ahead that he was fixing the problem and still could given more time.
I'm just being honest about how I felt during the whole thing.
Everyone knows what happened here. Everyone knows he failed spectacularly. I don't know Dave Gettleman, I don't really care about his feelings, and he doesn't deserve more consideration than Jerry Reese got, but I care about giving the Giants every advantage in the next hiring process. God knows they're gonna need it.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
Do the impossible? Come on. The NFL is hard but its not difficult to at least build a decent team. This guy took on a bad situation and made it significantly worse.
Look what he's leaving behind. Barely any foundational pieces and a team over the cap.
You couldn't have done much worse if he tried and acted like an arrogant asshole doing it.
Reese was a class act gets fired and he gets to retire. Makes zero sense...
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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.
A lot of what he did - make logical sense.
His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.
And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.
But what other choice did the man have? He was a pasty of sorts from the jump. Which is what the Mara's were looking to hire. He was certainly a complicit patsy...a puppet if you will.
DG was a guy that didn't have a job, wasn't getting another shot anywhere else in the NFL, and basically got a job by telling Giants ownership exactly what they wanted to hear.
There was a logic behind the moves he made - they just didn't work. But given the cards he was dealt - there were times I was convinced he knew what he was doing...and now a bunch of people are on swearing they knew all along he was F'n up (go look at the Kenny G link someone posted in the other link).
There were a few who remained steadfast from the beginning (kudos to you - you were right - do You feel good now? - maybe you do - pretty sure my wife does when she plays told ya so), some that flip-flopped back and forth during his tenure - like myself, and others that believed full steam ahead that he was fixing the problem and still could given more time.
I'm just being honest about how I felt during the whole thing.
Yeah, I don't believe in the patsy/puppet crap. Conspiracy theories never hold water like this one.
I think DG did his own assessment on Eli and came to a conclusion, with his poor evaluation skills and crappy foresight, that this team could still win with him at QB and told the Owners exactly that. And they loved hearing it.
The logic comment doesn't follow as an add-on even if you believe he was a patsy. The team needed a Left Tackle and a running back even if Eli wasn't kept on. But that doesn't mean go out an make Solder the highest paid LT ever when he was barely an average player at that time. Nor does it mean take a RB with the overall #2 pick. But he thinks in a flawed manner...not logically so these are the results.
Was it logical to then be so wrong in 2018 that he should panic for a QB and overdraft Jones at #6? Or how about trading several draft picks just to move up for Baker when there were like 4 decent CBs still on the board?
Was there logic in a losing team giving up draft collateral at the trade deadline for free agent to-be Leonard Williams? Which only gave him leverage in the negotiations because DG couldn't execute a contract price...leaving the team exposed to having to sign him for elite level money.
I could go on, but honestly it has less about being right versus it being obvious from Year 1 to Year 4 that Gettleman sucked at player evaluation (both college and pro) and he always made decisions to fill holes in a desperate fashion versus come up with a cohesive roster building plan.
And that is why he failed and why there will be a new GM soon...
He was bad at what he did, period. And when you make more mistakes than the other teams in this league, it shows up in the record. He's set this team back years. The next GM will be starting with nothing but draft capital and a couple of good cheap players.
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.
At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.
Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?
There have been a lot of people that went along with upper management despite their gut telling them not to....and in way worse situations than taking Daniel Jones #6 overall in the NFL draft.
They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.
The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.
Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.
They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.
The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.
Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.
the nice thing is that by having this asshole retire rather than being fired the wrath on the maras will be more intense.
Make DG a martyr - not the scapegoat.
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.
At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.
Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?
There have been a lot of people that went along with upper management despite their gut telling them not to....and in way worse situations than taking Daniel Jones #6 overall in the NFL draft.
The guy was the General Manager. He built those teams and he's responsible. They never had a winning record under him.
Let's hope the next one is outstanding!!! We need it!
Man... people are killing DG for doing the Mara's bidding.
So I think Dnew makes some good points on this thread.
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His ass deserves to be fired.
Punishment doesn’t fix anything. He’s been disgraced for weeks in the public eye. What difference does it make at this point?
Exactly
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.
At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.
Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?
DG missed on Jones because he doesn't know how to evaluate players very well, and that includes QBs. He convinced himself and the owners he saw the next franchise QB in the draft in Jones and would grab him at #17. But then in true moronic fashion, DG fell victim to the rumor mill and panicked taking him even earlier at #6 in pure desperation fashion since he was wrong on Eli the year before and felt he had to fix that error and come out of this draft with a QB.
them's the facts...
Best post of the discussion.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
He's never going to be held accountable. He's obnoxious and condescending and it would be nice to hear him say he was wrong. Does it matter? Of course not.
But the vitriol here is a product of his attitude towards people who dare question his decisions. And now he gets to walk away without addressing it.
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
Why would getting fired for an 18-43 record be seen as treating anyone like crap?
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
DG starts "Ok fellas - even though I wasn't in a front office last year I watched a ton of college tape and you know I'm the hog molly guy...there's this Guard from ND..."
Kevin Abrams: "Dave...Dave...Dave...we've been watching tape and meeting all year as a scout staff...we love the RB from Penn St. Kid is a can't miss."
Chris Mara: "Yeah I've been talking to John - he loves the kid. Thinks he can extend Eli's career a few years, and can be the face of the franchise for years to come."
You guys don't think that this is in fact a probable scenario?
That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.
I find it remarkable that the team of Accorsi/Reese & Coughlin could have such excellent drafts from 2004-2011 and then suddenly start failing each year. It's almost like something changed in the Giants scouting a player evaluation department in 2011, but I can't quite put my finger on what it might have been...
I'm totally relaxed, especially if this rumor is true. Hopefully this will mean my season tickets are actually worth what I pay at some point.
But hey, I'm just trying to explain why only you and a few others want to have a send off party for "dahlin' Dave." We're tired of the act.
You might be right...
But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.
If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.
I don't.
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based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.
You might be right...
But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.
If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.
I don't.
Who's saying he alone is responsible? I think the dominant attitude around here is clean house, down to the ticket takers.
Whoever is responsible for building this roster, from the draft to FA, need to go in my opinion. I do not think we will get that kind of reset, but that's what I support. Dave is just the most prominent offender, and the topic of this thread.
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
There should be one that is all in GIF and image format.
Get over it.
Just be glad that there is going to be a change.
The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.
They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....
I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.
Get over it.
Just be glad that there is going to be a change.
The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.
They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....
I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.
And that's what we were promised on Day 1 of Gettleman's tenure.
DG starts "Ok fellas - even though I wasn't in a front office last year I watched a ton of college tape and you know I'm the hog molly guy...there's this Guard from ND..."
Kevin Abrams: "Dave...Dave...Dave...we've been watching tape and meeting all year as a scout staff...we love the RB from Penn St. Kid is a can't miss."
Chris Mara: "Yeah I've been talking to John - he loves the kid. Thinks he can extend Eli's career a few years, and can be the face of the franchise for years to come."
You guys don't think that this is in fact a probable scenario?
No. Have you not listened to a word he has said for 4 straight years?
DG got fired from his previous job because he wouldn't go along with an owner against what he thought. You think he would just change his stripes and be the NYG lackey all of sudden, pick guys he thought were wrong and then get up in front of a mic and start bragging about it...for someone else? And then when it the Mara's picks went down the toilet, you think DG would double down and tell the media he doesn't do this as a hobby. Not a chance.
How far you want to push this patsy thing?
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
There should be one that is all in GIF and image format.
plenty of material, that's for sure...
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!
Get over it.
Just be glad that there is going to be a change.
The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.
They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....
I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.
I was in this boat at first but there was a competitive advantage to firing Gettleman early. They could have moved forward with some GM interviews like Dorsey, Pioli or Riddick - basically anybody that wasn't with a team. Probably could have shaved off 1 week from the search, which may be a big week if you subscribe to the idea that Judge should go and the GM should choose the coach. As it stands now, the GM search will take 2-3 weeks at which time the top HC candidates will be off the market.
Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.
A suggested change:
The puppet is gone; the puppeteer remains until the strings are severed.
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!
When has he ever defended this GM?
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!
When has he ever defended this GM?
When was the last time her posted?
I agree and believe the team has its faults, but is a class act overall for its staff, players, etc.
There's no need to embarass anyone anymmore than what the record states. We want to be a destimation for other GMs and coaches. They take notice on how people leave.
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
That would be an absolute beauty.
Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!
When has he ever defended this GM?
When was the last time her posted?
You'd have to check the archives for that.
that is, if nobody changed them on purpose :-)
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When has he ever defended this GM?
When was the last time her posted?
You'd have to check the archives for that.
that is, if nobody changed them on purpose :-)
LOL
You seem like a sane, stable person!
well well said
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.
You seem like a sane, stable person!
Out of popcorn?
DG failed to demonstrate that he is an effective executive in today's NFL and can no longer remain in his position.
That said, I'm sure he worked hard and in good faith and is likely even more disappointed with the results than we are as they reflect directly on him.
Which is a huge disappointment considering the success he had in CAR.
DG failed to demonstrate that he is an effective executive in today's NFL and can no longer remain in his position.
That said, I'm sure he worked hard and in good faith and is likely even more disappointed with the results than we are as they reflect directly on him.
I cant think of a single person here who is choosing more bad football. No one wants the team to continue to be bad.
As they say, "if you don't like what they're saying, change the conversation. "
They've lost five straight games and delivered a steady stream of follies and keystone kops moments to talk about. You can be sick and tired of what this team is and also want better.
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...1998-2012 for NYG was praiseworthy. Just couldn't lead from the top chair of the front office and certainly couldn't tell big John what he needed to hear.
Which is a huge disappointment considering the success he had in CAR.
Agree. He took Lotulelei and Short back to back as his first two picks, and how good was that inside triangle partnering them with Kuechly. Mine and others good faith based on moves like that certainly wasn't rewarded.
It's a football team for fucks sake.
At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.
It's a football team for fucks sake.
At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?
It’s like the comment section on a YouTube video.
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
Dave, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart: Fuck you. And the horse you rode in on. Fuck you..where you breathe. As Eric Cartman once said on South Park: up your ass with broken glass…
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.
It's a football team for fucks sake.
At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?
It’s like the comment section on a YouTube video.
LOL, what's the percentage of posts with cursing and other vulgar language, SMH.
Heck, saying it's one thing but to type it takes another talent...
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
You're kidding, right? People are still irrationally angry at Reese and refuse to give him credit for anything.
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
You're kidding, right? People are still irrationally angry at Reese and refuse to give him credit for anything.
Compared to Gettleman? Come on now. Gettleman is now the most hated man in Giants history. And it’s not close.
So goodbye, good health thanks for your efforts, and good luck.
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.
You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.
Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.
You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.
Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?
Firing DG 4 days before the end of the season comes off as petty and vindictive. We are trying to attract good GM candidates. Should we look like Amazon? No. I don't care about DG, he sucked, this is about appearing like a good organization. Its about moving forward
My God, grow the fuck up.
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.
Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.
You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.
Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?
Firing DG 4 days before the end of the season comes off as petty and vindictive. We are trying to attract good GM candidates. Should we look like Amazon? No. I don't care about DG, he sucked, this is about appearing like a good organization. Its about moving forward
4 days is meaningless, you're right. They should have done it weeks ago or more when it was obvious this season was not going to be the "go for it year" they fantasized about. That's weeks of time that could have been spent accepting the reality of the seazon, moving on, identifying what to do next. They'll now wait until Monday, then spend weeks deciding on a new GM, then the new hire will need weeks to assess this smoking ruin of a ball club, hire and fire staff, and get into offseasoseason,
No one anywhere would have thought the Giants was treating anyone unfairly for moving on from a failed GM with 18 wins in four years.
That doesn't even mention the fact that last time the Giants fired a GM, they had zero problem doing it midseason. They didn't care about being seen to treat some poorly then.
And really...
Never been hired!
Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.
As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.
Exactly.
They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.
The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.
Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.
+100
Everyone remember to bring their stone?
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based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.
You might be right...
But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.
If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.
I don't.
Who's saying he alone is responsible? I think the dominant attitude around here is clean house, down to the ticket takers.
Whoever is responsible for building this roster, from the draft to FA, need to go in my opinion. I do not think we will get that kind of reset, but that's what I support. Dave is just the most prominent offender, and the topic of this thread.
The owners have had more than a hand in building this roster. Where are they going to go exactly?
The bottom line is this:
The Maras have been involved in personnel decisions and are hiding behind the Gettlemans, Abrams, and Petits of the world. They don't have the courage to come out and own this mess. They've done what Squint did in the past. There's a reason Tim Mara went against Wellington in 78/79.
They need to be forced to step back into non-personnel roles, so that a GY type figure can come in and build this the right way, instead of John Mara plugging in holes constantly while several more pop up in the process. It's a doomed groupthink process in which the Maras not only perform a deus ex machina role whenever they see fit---they actually make the calls, but run away from the responsibility. There's a reason Gettleman was hired as the GM.
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Him cause he did his bidding.
Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.
As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.
Exactly.
I believe this to be true.
People are saying that DG convinced Mara that he could win one more time with Eli. That’s what they want you to think. It’s the other way around.
DG was bad, but the Maras forced their desire to win with Eli on DG and effectively ruined this guys legacy much worse than it might have been otherwise. I would venture to guess they feel bad enough about it that they are letting him retire. They are cowards and should own their mistakes and be accountable for each one and not maliciously hide and shove sacrificial lambs to slaughter — now going on how many people? TC, Reese, Ross, McAdoo, Shurmur, DG, and more to come.
All you have to do is go back in time and review DG’s comments about “Eli took me to the low post and won”… That tells me DG was convinced Eli was cooked, but a contingent of Maras and probably Eli tried to prove him otherwise.
Evan past the Eli situation it was a clusterfuck all the way around with DG, but I think he was set up in a terrible situation with meddling owners running personnel — or at least the most major decisions. It keeps happening no matter what leader is in place and Joe Judge is facing that now (Garrett, Jones, DG/Mara contingent).
Sickening cycle.
However, with the moves Gettleman made (bad) and Eli not being the old Eli anymore that plan failed miserably. So Gettleman now has missed out of the box and comes to conclusion he needs to turnover the roster much deeper and get a new QB and stop relying on Eli.
Eli's roster bonus decision is coming up in Spring of 2019 and Gettleman is clearly leaning towards moving away from Eli. They meet and somehow Eli convinces him he still has enough game and to give him another year. And that he can still go draft a new QB and Eli will be a good influence in helping the development and transition to that guy when the actual time comes. And keeping Eli on also provides some security in the event the Giants aren't able to get one of the QBs they want. This is when Gettleman commented about “Eli took me to the low post and won”, not the year earlier.
This was obviously another huge miss because now the Giants are paying Eli a lot of money for his last year AND drafting a new QB. Gettleman's plan becomes even more expensive when he gets nervous and overdrafts Jones at #6 because he is convinced other teams will take him before their next pick.
So now Gettleman has Eli to start the season and can move to Jones when he and Shurmur determine its time. Sure enough, that lasts a whole 2 or 3 games and now the decision to keep Eli on looks ridiculous. But at least Jones looks pretty decent early on although the fumbling issues need to be curtailed.
Fast forward two years later...Gettleman has now missed with Eli twice, Jones hasn't developed into a good QB, and Gettleman also wasted a huge amount of money and high picks in not realizing the team needed a rebuild from the beginning and then rebuilt it poorly in a flawed, desperate manner. Leaving the roster in total shambles as we have today.
Hopefully Gettleman's retirement goes better because it is difficult to think any GM can have done a worse job here.
John Mara is killing the town.
the *world* is turning into Twitter
Undoubtedly, it should be a package deal on Monday.
Gettleman and Judge, ousted.
Historically, who has shown to have a track record of half measures? Mara, right?
Look at DG’s tenure in Carolina, he got a ton of shit there locally because he ousted popular veterans like Steve Smith who were cornerstones there, and he wanted to release more name vets — like Olsen among others — but was told no. He was fired in large part because he wanted to do those things.
It’s hard for me to accept that DG suddenly lost the cold blooded killer in him, or that he would dilute himself enough to think Eli would work when he has proven to have no problem burying old players behind the barn. He has demonstrated being able to move on, Mara has not.
The more likely explanation based on historical data points in my opinion is that Mara — similar to how he will foist Joe Judge on a new GM and ask him to try Judge out for a year — likely asked DG to do the exact same with Eli — try for one more year with Eli.
The fact Shurmur and DG moved so quickly to bench Eli in 2019 actually supports this argument.
Otherwise why wouldn’t they run with Eli longer in 2019 if they actually believed they can win with him? I don’t think they did believe they could win with Eli. So the earliest acceptable time they could get out from under Eli — with a new QB and a fan base understanding of the situation — they did.
John Mara is killing the town.
As a big wrestling fan love the analogies lol.
DG is an amazing heel then.
But I have more of a problem with the familial triad of bookers for this shit product. They are akin to WCWs management when that ship was sinking.