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Report/rumor: Gettleman will retire Monday

Vin_Cuccs : 1/7/2022 9:43 am
Nothing we didn’t already assume, but here is a scoop.

The source is a bit of an unknown….Chris Moore, a CBS Sports Network/WFAN personality.

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I can confirm what has widely been speculated regarding Dave Gettleman, he will retire on Monday.


Link via Twitter below.

I can delete if this is too repetitive.
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A great day for Giants fans.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 9:44 am : link
.
As expected  
Tuckrule : 1/7/2022 9:44 am : link
Goodbye dave. Thanks for being apart of 2 Super Bowls
Doesn't deserve to retire.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2022 9:44 am : link
His ass deserves to be fired.
RE: As expected  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 9:44 am : link
In comment 15533806 Tuckrule said:
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Goodbye dave. Thanks for being apart of 2 Super Bowls


And a historic awful four years!
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
mphbullet36 : 1/7/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.


agreed but whatever, the important part is he's gone.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 1/7/2022 9:47 am : link
That will make Monday the best day for Giants fans since Gettleman was hired.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/7/2022 9:47 am : link
I hope he speaks and I hope the media doesnt let him get off easy because hes out. If hes "retiring" he should have to answer for it all. If hes fired, fine, you pack your shit and its peace out. But he shouldnt be able to have it both ways. But realistically, I doubt he gives a fuck.
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.


Maybe, but it doesn't matter at this point. As bad as he's been as GM, he has a solid history with the franchise. Give him his gold watch and say goodbye.
A given that he’d be gone  
jeff57 : 1/7/2022 9:47 am : link
The question is Judge. He needs to go too.
fuck off Dave  
Enzo : 1/7/2022 9:47 am : link
.
This is the  
BigBlueJ : 1/7/2022 9:48 am : link
fucking least this franchise can do. The very fucking least. Give us more!
...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 9:48 am : link


RE: This is the  
Dinger : 1/7/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15533820 BigBlueJ said:
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fucking least this franchise can do. The very fucking least. Give us more!

No the LEAST they could do was give out SMALL Pepsi's to their loyal fan base as a reward....As always they went above and beyond with the medium;)
Yeah  
rocco8112 : 1/7/2022 9:50 am : link
he failed. Is the team even worse now than when he took over?
RE: _________  
FranknWeezer : 1/7/2022 9:51 am : link
In comment 15533816 I am Ninja said:
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I hope he speaks and I hope the media doesnt let him get off easy because hes out. If hes "retiring" he should have to answer for it all. If hes fired, fine, you pack your shit and its peace out. But he shouldnt be able to have it both ways. But realistically, I doubt he gives a fuck.


Totally agree.
What an Arrogant POS  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/7/2022 9:52 am : link
FK off!
What happened to the crucifixion?  
adamg : 1/7/2022 9:52 am : link
Letting him off easy
RE: _________  
ron mexico : 1/7/2022 9:52 am : link
In comment 15533816 I am Ninja said:
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I hope he speaks and I hope the media doesnt let him get off easy because hes out. If hes "retiring" he should have to answer for it all. If hes fired, fine, you pack your shit and its peace out. But he shouldnt be able to have it both ways. But realistically, I doubt he gives a fuck.


what would you expect to get out the interview?
it still annoys me that he's allowed to retire rather than getting  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2022 9:53 am : link
fired
The only think I can think of is age/health  
Sean : 1/7/2022 9:54 am : link
For why he gets to retire.
The Giants obviously have known this  
jvm52106 : 1/7/2022 9:55 am : link
for a while and as a classy organization have allowed him to head off into retirement vs being fired. I don't see the need to blast him, attack him or the Mara's personally as we have all pretty much known/figured this is what was happening.

The true piece to watch now is has the original plan changed (ie internal promotion was probably plan A) and who are we looking at bringing in?

I will once again put my bet on Scott Pioli.
Take the high road, dudes  
JonC : 1/7/2022 9:55 am : link
pound of flesh coming, and hopefully there's more.
His parting words will be  
jeff57 : 1/7/2022 9:56 am : link
Don’t sleep on ‘Pio.
Should have retired after Carolina  
GFAN52 : 1/7/2022 9:57 am : link
RE: Take the high road, dudes  
UberAlias : 1/7/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15533847 JonC said:
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pound of flesh coming, and hopefully there's more.
Hearing whispers or wishful thinking?
I'm trying ...  
thedogfather : 1/7/2022 10:01 am : link
to be a mature adult and understand this is an older gentleman who battled cancer but it just feels kind of weak and wrong that Gettleman isn't getting fired and is being allowed to retire.

Guess it doesn't matter as long as he's gone.
Uber  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:03 am : link
pound meaning DG for a start.
It doesn't matter how DG leaves the organization  
UberAlias : 1/7/2022 10:04 am : link
What matters is that they replace him with a strong voice from outside the organization.
RE: Uber  
GF1080 : 1/7/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15533868 JonC said:
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pound meaning DG for a start.


Retiring is not a pound of flesh. He should have been walked out by security.
It doesn't matter  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:04 am : link
the man played a longtime role in a successful era for NYG, and then as a leader he struggled. Nothing gained by being mean or working purposely to embarrass him.
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
djm : 1/7/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.


Punishment doesn’t fix anything. He’s been disgraced for weeks in the public eye. What difference does it make at this point?
RE: RE: This is the  
BigBlueJ : 1/7/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15533826 Dinger said:
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In comment 15533820 BigBlueJ said:


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fucking least this franchise can do. The very fucking least. Give us more!


No the LEAST they could do was give out SMALL Pepsi's to their loyal fan base as a reward....As always they went above and beyond with the medium;)


Touche
RE: Take the high road, dudes  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/7/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15533847 JonC said:
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pound of flesh coming, and hopefully there's more.


If he had a scintilla of humility it would be so much easier. This isn't personal, professionally he did an awful job.
The  
Toth029 : 1/7/2022 10:05 am : link
Puppet is gone.

Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.
There is no way they will make him take media questions  
Mike from Ohio : 1/7/2022 10:07 am : link
While he is technically retiring, there is no doubt he would not be welcomed back if he did want to stay. That is enough. The goal is not to humiliate those who were part of this disaster, just to get them out.

If Dave is no longer involved with the organization going forward that should be enough.
Bavaro  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:07 am : link
I understand, but bigger picture is the Giants need to keep their powder dry, repair how they're viewed outside the Timex Center, or they will continue to not draw better talent for the next era.
Tar and feather DG  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:08 am : link
will have opposite the desired effect.
Ron Mexico:  
I am Ninja : 1/7/2022 10:09 am : link
Fair point. Probably shouldnt "expect" much in terms of responses that enlighten us or make us feel good. But hes walking away and we're going to feel the pain of his failings for years to come. And HE is the one that gets to walk away without a black mark? Thats just offensive. He should be subject to cross examination. He should be called on the carpet and asked to justify this mess. Hes gotta feel some pain too. Not just a pat on the back and thanks for his "work" for the organization these past 4 years. But yes, youre not off base in that we'll get anything. Other than a pound of flesh if the media does their jobs. Which is, of course, not guaranteed either.
OK so Gettleman is gone, but the Mara's are still ultimately in  
Giants61 : 1/7/2022 10:10 am : link
charge. I'm fearful we will not see a drastic change in the draft/FA/coaching that we have seen in the last 10 years
He’s “retiring”  
Les in TO : 1/7/2022 10:10 am : link
The same way Coughlin “retired” after the 2015 season. He gets a little bit of face saving but we all know the deal. Now if only Mara retired too as President and hired an external executive recruiting firm to find a replacement
No need to pile on  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/7/2022 10:11 am : link
Enjoy retirement Dave.
RE: Tar and feather DG  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/7/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15533885 JonC said:
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will have opposite the desired effect.


Yeah, but at the same time it reeks of the same lack of accountability they've had for a while.
Hey, they can roll him out there for a presser  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:14 am : link
I'm referring more to the angry calls to humiliate him.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2022 10:16 am : link
big part of his awful tenure as GM will be whether Jones becomes the guy and leads Giants to playoff wins. If he actually does, then history might be somewhat kind to him. If not, yikes.
RE: Bavaro  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/7/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15533882 JonC said:
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I understand, but bigger picture is the Giants need to keep their powder dry, repair how they're viewed outside the Timex Center, or they will continue to not draw better talent for the next era.


Fundamentally, I agree with everything you're saying.

Be nice if he had to answer some tough questions out the door and be a man!
RE: Hey, they can roll him out there for a presser  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 10:18 am : link
In comment 15533899 JonC said:
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I'm referring more to the angry calls to humiliate him.


He's already done a good enough job of that himself.

I want to say a lot worse, but I'll land on "Thanks for nothing."
I wouldn't expect much  
JonC : 1/7/2022 10:22 am : link
even if he sits for questions, given the lack of self-awareness and self-scouting they've become infamous for. Bad football program top to bottom, bad leaders, tends to equal exit interviews that are equally frustrating.
There’s this thing called ‘The Peter Principle’...  
Spider56 : 1/7/2022 10:23 am : link
The Giants have been a living example of its truth for far too long.
Can JJ and staff  
Joe Beckwith : 1/7/2022 10:23 am : link
Retire too?
Please!!
I’ll start a gofundme.
Some of you..  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 10:24 am : link
are insufferable children.
I think a lot of the vitriol directed at DG  
Mike from Ohio : 1/7/2022 10:24 am : link
Is not just because of the poor decisions with high draft picks and free agency, but the arrogant way he spoke down to people in his press conferences. You can be arrogant when you are right, but he was very rarely right.

“It’s good to see arrogance humbled” I think is the best way to describe how many are feeling. But I agree with JonC that that is counterproductive to getting good people in the door.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/7/2022 10:26 am : link
Eh. Reading the more measured responses, guys here advocating for no pitchforks are probably right.
I don't think he have a presser.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/7/2022 10:27 am : link
He'll write a statement and then he'll slink off.

Retiring also saves face for Mara don't forget. Around and around we go...They'll keep Judge since they're still paying Shurmur. That's the worst part.

If you never admit your mistakes, do you make them? That's the Giants' way.
RE: Some of you..  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15533918 Chris in Philly said:
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are insufferable children.


Great post!
RE: _________  
rsjem1979 : 1/7/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15533816 I am Ninja said:
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I hope he speaks and I hope the media doesnt let him get off easy because hes out. If hes "retiring" he should have to answer for it all. If hes fired, fine, you pack your shit and its peace out. But he shouldnt be able to have it both ways. But realistically, I doubt he gives a fuck.


Couldn't have said it better myself. If he was just a failure I'd be happy to let him walk away, but given how condescending he's been while being a failure - he should be fucking skewered.
While ultimately great news, I am pissed it went this far  
Matt M. : 1/7/2022 10:32 am : link
He has done nothing here that warrants the dignity of being allowed to retire. He should have been fired weeks ago.
Whatever, as long as he’s gone  
Ben in Tampa : 1/7/2022 10:33 am : link
.
Seems like he's been pushed out by now and this is just a formality  
PatersonPlank : 1/7/2022 10:36 am : link
Haven't heard peep from him in a long time
retire vs fire  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2022 10:37 am : link
makes 0 difference to me.

I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.

some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.
RE: Some of you..  
Chris684 : 1/7/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15533918 Chris in Philly said:
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are insufferable children.


Isn't it amazing?

And these people showing up on thread to thread hyperventilating over the revenge porn they seek against a man who has done nothing more than be a really bad GM for their team. And many of them think it speaks to their greater football knowledge.

.  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 10:40 am : link
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2022 10:42 am : link
He has not only been a terrible GM, but an insufferable prick so good fucking riddance.
RE: retire vs fire  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15533959 pjcas18 said:
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makes 0 difference to me.

I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.

some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.


Yup, I don't get it. DG's is being lumped in with the real dregs of society - those are the ones that deserve it. This guy did a bad job, its not life or death.
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.


This, but since his contract is up the Giants probably gave him a choice: announce your retirement from th game OR we'll announce your firing. Nobody else will want to hire his ass after this debacle, so he went for the former. His health and history with the organization gave him some cache with ownership too, so it is what it is. However, if he had another year left on his contract, then his ass would have been swept into the dustbin. Eff him either way. The man was a disaster.
Just glad that he will be gone  
Rick in Dallas : 1/7/2022 10:43 am : link
Honestly he is a terrible talent evaluator. Dark 4 years in the history of the Giants.
Correction:  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 10:45 am : link
The Giants couldn't announce his firing since his contract was up of course (they just would have said he wouldn't be renewed). My fingers got ahead of my brain. Getts won't work in the league ever again.
RE: It doesn't matter  
Pete from Woodstock : 1/7/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15533875 JonC said:
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the man played a longtime role in a successful era for NYG, and then as a leader he struggled. Nothing gained by being mean or working purposely to embarrass him.


I agree JonC. When I brought my son up to camp in Albany (my son has a heart condition) along with a friend who played for Dave in high school, Dave knew my son's name, asked him how he was doing and was very gracious to us. I can't say anything bad about him. I just wish things would have worked out better.
RE: I don't think he have a presser.  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/7/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15533925 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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He'll write a statement and then he'll slink off.

Retiring also saves face for Mara don't forget. Around and around we go...They'll keep Judge since they're still paying Shurmur. That's the worst part.

If you never admit your mistakes, do you make them? That's the Giants' way.


Wow they are still paying Shurm? Not something I've thought about it and quite frankly I'd be hesitant to be paying 2 Head Coaches and then paying a new hire. While I want them to be paying a new HC next season, if I'm writing the checks that would be a reason for me to give JJ one more year.
RE: The  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15533879 Toth029 said:
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Puppet is gone.

Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.


BINGO
We coulda been a contender  
GeofromNJ : 1/7/2022 10:48 am : link
But no, we had this asshole making the draft decisions.
JonC  
Pascal4554 : 1/7/2022 10:48 am : link
The high road makes sense, but Gettleman's arrogance and lack of humility really bothers me. He thought he was smarter than everyone else. I have more sympathy for Judge than anyone in the front office. I'll try to take the high road.
RE: .  
Chris684 : 1/7/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15533971 Go Terps said:
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Cool graphic!

Maybe if you try hard enough you and your revenge porn friends can come up with Gettleman's number and order a bunch of pizzas to his house. Only then will you be satisfied with his dismissal!
RE: RE: Some of you..  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15533937 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15533918 Chris in Philly said:


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are insufferable children.



Great post!


I know, thank you.
He  
AcidTest : 1/7/2022 10:50 am : link
was a disaster, but there's no value in firing him now. Let him retire. Staying classy helps us attract better GM candidates.
RE: He  
UberAlias : 1/7/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15534010 AcidTest said:
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was a disaster, but there's no value in firing him now. Let him retire. Staying classy helps us attract better GM candidates.
This
He was an arrogant, condescending blowhard  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 10:53 am : link
I don't have much motivation to take the high road.
RE: No need to pile on  
River Mike : 1/7/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15533894 DC Gmen Fan said:
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Enjoy retirement Dave.


Yeah, the over the top vitriol is stunning. The guy didn't molest little kids or violate women, he wasn't good at his job, that's all. Let him go, why the need for some sort of vengence? Say he sucked and let's move on.
Didn't he say "a-holes need not apply" to his staff?  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 10:57 am : link
The anonymous scout on Twitter had nothing good to say about him.
RE: He was an arrogant, condescending blowhard  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/7/2022 10:58 am : link
In comment 15534022 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't have much motivation to take the high road.


Some people's motivation is telling other people to take the high road.

To each there own.
RE: Some of you..  
Rjanyg : 1/7/2022 10:59 am : link
In comment 15533918 Chris in Philly said:
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are insufferable children.


Yup.
.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 11:00 am : link
Thanks for the memories DG  
FranknWeezer : 1/7/2022 11:02 am : link
Feel free to take the wahdrobe with ya.
RE: It doesn't matter how DG leaves the organization  
Dinger : 1/7/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15533873 UberAlias said:
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What matters is that they replace him with a strong voice from outside the organization.

Bingo!
I have no interest in hearing any garbage from him or about him. We have to move on. We've had to for a while now.
RE: He was an arrogant, condescending blowhard  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15534022 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't have much motivation to take the high road.


Don't forget sexist.

I don't imagine he'll be missed by many. As a reminder here is the Giants' pathetic puff piece planted in December 2019 to depict him as something other than an asshole before announcing he would be brought back.
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when it's a player that represents the brand poorly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 11:05 am : link
No one really cares about taking the high road. It's open season. Not sure why this would be any different.

Evan Engram isn't bad human being either, and nobody is saying calm down on the vitriol. And he's been a model citizen and great teammate.

DG got paid a ton of money and had a full 4 year contract to pile drive the football department to ruin. Great.
RE: retire vs fire  
HomerJones45 : 1/7/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15533959 pjcas18 said:
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makes 0 difference to me.

I see no benefit to me personally, any other fans, or the franchise by firing him vs him retiring.

some free armchair psych advice: if you get some personal satisfaction of seeing someone I guess humiliated publicly then find your blood lust filled somewhere else or get a hobby, it's you, not Gettleman, you need to worry about.
+1
This is why  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2022 11:08 am : link
JJ wont be fired. Mara should have fired DG, instead he gets the glory to retire. Embarrassing. The giants way is here to stay
I do not know the guy.....I had hoped for better results  
George from PA : 1/7/2022 11:08 am : link
He had a good run as an underling ....but was a disaster as the boss.

As part of the successful years, I am not going to wish him anything but a good retirement

With that.....it was time to go
RE: It doesn't matter  
RDJR : 1/7/2022 11:14 am : link
In comment 15533875 JonC said:
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the man played a longtime role in a successful era for NYG, and then as a leader he struggled. Nothing gained by being mean or working purposely to embarrass him.


Agreed.
RE: This is why  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15534055 BeckShepEli said:
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JJ wont be fired. Mara should have fired DG, instead he gets the glory to retire. Embarrassing. The giants way is here to stay


The glory? This is delusional.
Many of you forget what JonC mentioned  
GiantGrit : 1/7/2022 11:20 am : link
He failed as the GM but was also important to our success when he was the head of pro personnel. I don't see the big deal of letting him retire instead of firing him.

The guy won a lot in this league. Maybe it was ego, time, both ...it didn't work out (at all) as a GM here. Which sucks. I'm sure it eats away more at him than most of us.

Lets see if ownership has learned and adapted from this or if nothing really changes. I lean the latter.
As long as its not  
Biteymax22 : 1/7/2022 11:21 am : link
Announced with a Abrams promotion....
RE: RE: This is why  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15534074 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 15534055 BeckShepEli said:


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JJ wont be fired. Mara should have fired DG, instead he gets the glory to retire. Embarrassing. The giants way is here to stay



The glory? This is delusional.


Chris do you ever note whine about something, yes its glory. People retire from a job when they have done the job at a high level. I am not going into stats/back and forth why DG is a bad GM. He doesn't deserve to retire, you're on crack if you think he does.
Probably mean a final end to the  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 11:21 am : link
Dave Gettleman Fan Club as well.

They had a good run here on BBI over the last four years.

Will try to pull up some of the better DG threads I can find in the archives when I get a chance...



I think this is  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 11:23 am : link
a very special franchise to him and under his leadership he made it worse and that is how he will mostly be remembered. Retire or fire he leaves with plenty of misery. If if makes you feel better than pile on. I wish and a happy and healthy retirement.
Giants  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2022 11:27 am : link
are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.

I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.


RE: Giants  
Sean : 1/7/2022 11:28 am : link
In comment 15534110 Sammo85 said:
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are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.

I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.


Shurmur got a 5 year contract.
The personal vendetta  
mittenedman : 1/7/2022 11:29 am : link
people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.

I get not liking the job he did, but people want this guy publicly humiliated. Have some class.
I just hope his key card is revoked and  
NoGainDayne : 1/7/2022 11:31 am : link
he isn't helping to hire the next GM...

I have no love for the guy and think he was a terrible higher and an arrogant jerk. But I don't really care if he's fired or not, the performance speaks for itself. Let's focus our complaining energy on terrible decisions not yet made yet like promoting Abrams or keeping on Judge. Point your vitriol there...
My issue is this  
Sean : 1/7/2022 11:31 am : link
Outside  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/7/2022 11:31 am : link
of a few deserving names, I havent seen vitriol on this thread.

All most are really clamoring for is accountability.
RE: My issue is this  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15534129 Sean said:
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...
Judge should be next.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 11:36 am : link
.
RE: Some of you..  
Rory : 1/7/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15533918 Chris in Philly said:
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are insufferable children.


here here CIP.

BBI is not what it used to be.
RE: RE: My issue is this  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15534141 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15534129 Sean said:


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Yup. Wonder what that's about...


Why don't you tell us...
RE: No need to pile on  
Regular Coffee : 1/7/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15533894 DC Gmen Fan said:
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Enjoy retirement Dave.


YES, there is a need to pile on. The idiot made millions of dollars destroying the institution he was hired to save.
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Go Terps : 1/7/2022 11:40 am : link
I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.
Sean  
cosmicj : 1/7/2022 11:44 am : link
Exactly. It’s unfair. But I’ll quote my father: “Life isn’t fair.”
RE: .  
Chris in Philly : 1/7/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15534154 Go Terps said:
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.


There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...
RE: The personal vendetta  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15534120 mittenedman said:
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people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.


Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...
RE: RE: RE: My issue is this  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15534150 Chris in Philly said:
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...



Why don't you tell us...


I don't know what it's about, that's why I'm wondering.

It doesn't make sense. One was good at his job and carried himself with class, yet was fired. The other guy made Ray Handley look like Bill Walsh and was a complete jerk, and yet was allowed to retire.

Doesn't add up.
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
santacruzom : 1/7/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.


I just don't really care at this point. Unless his disappearance financially costs me personally somehow, he can go any which way he can.
Fuck off DG  
Jints in Carolina : 1/7/2022 11:49 am : link
should of canned his ass earlier.
RE: RE: .  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15534164 Chris in Philly said:
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.



There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...


Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.
RE: RE: Hey, they can roll him out there for a presser  
santacruzom : 1/7/2022 11:51 am : link
In comment 15533904 Go Terps said:
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I'm referring more to the angry calls to humiliate him.



He's already done a good enough job of that himself.

I want to say a lot worse, but I'll land on "Thanks for nothing."


If only it were just nothing! What he did was somehow WORSE than nothing.
Mara won't embarrass  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/7/2022 11:52 am : link
Him cause he did his bidding.

Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.

As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 1/7/2022 11:55 am : link
Here's the thread from when Reese was fired.
BBI - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: .  
Chris684 : 1/7/2022 11:57 am : link
In comment 15534176 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15534154 Go Terps said:


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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.



There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...



Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.


Why are you here?

You suspect the franchise has racist figures.

You openly root for them to lose.

You think nothing good if the New York Giants (beyond just football) and yet you are on the most popular Giants fan message board daily just to complain about it all.

It would be so nice if you would just pick up the Ravens full time.
That Reese firing thread makes me think:  
cosmicj : 1/7/2022 11:59 am : link
“It can always get worse.”

One Man Thrill Ride’s post holds up - respekt
The guy  
Jerry in_DC : 1/7/2022 11:59 am : link
Is a an arrogant, incompetent, ignorant asshole who ran our team into the ground for 4 years and left us in arguably the worst position in the NFL. Made millions of dollars along the way.

Fuck him. Fuck his retirement. Let him be remembered as one of the worst, most destructive, most disgraceful figures in the long history of the franchise. Fuck him.
I thought Gettleman had a 4 year contract  
Bill in UT : 1/7/2022 12:01 pm : link
that is expiring. They don't have to fire him, he's gone as long as they don't sign a new contract.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My issue is this  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15534167 Go Terps said:
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Yup. Wonder what that's about...



Why don't you tell us...



I don't know what it's about, that's why I'm wondering.

It doesn't make sense. One was good at his job and carried himself with class, yet was fired. The other guy made Ray Handley look like Bill Walsh and was a complete jerk, and yet was allowed to retire.

Doesn't add up.

Maybe Reese wasn’t ready to retire?
RE: RE: The personal vendetta  
japanhead : 1/7/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15534166 Jimmy Googs said:
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people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.




Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...


We know DG was along for the ride with Thomas (Garrett) and Baker (Shurmur). It stands to reason he was along for the ride in various other personnel decisions as well. Like Bettcher pushing for crappy ex-Cardinal players.

This is the problem many have been pointing out. The Giants have a "collaborative" structure and it muddies the waters re: accountability. Not sure about Barkley but Pettit pushing hard for him, and I seriously doubt Dave decided all by himself to select Daniel Jones. Rather, he was influenced by Shurmur (he had said as much) and Mara's insistence to get someone Eli-like who could come in and "learn under Eli" for a year.

I am no Gettleman fan, and I have little doubt he is directly responsible for Jonathan Stewart and Mike Shula and various other shitty decisions.

But the problems with the Giants started long before Gettleman got the GM job. Yes, the problems obviously spiraled under his GMship. But the problems are likely to continue if the Giants keep hiring long-tenured front office yes-men like Abrams, or terrible coaches like McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge.
RE: The guy  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15534197 Jerry in_DC said:
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Is a an arrogant, incompetent, ignorant asshole who ran our team into the ground for 4 years and left us in arguably the worst position in the NFL. Made millions of dollars along the way.

Fuck him. Fuck his retirement. Let him be remembered as one of the worst, most destructive, most disgraceful figures in the long history of the franchise. Fuck him.


Reese had a lot of class  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 12:16 pm : link
Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."

Let's hope...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2022 12:19 pm : link
WFT sends Gettleman and Judge out with a big blowout over NYG.

Thanks for the memories, Resume...

RE: RE: Giants  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15534114 Sean said:
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are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.

I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.




Shurmur got a 5 year contract.


My error. Even more disgusting how big these coach contracts have been and how terrible the choices are magnified. Almost 6m per year for this garbage to each coach going on 5 years?
RE: RE: RE: Giants  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15534243 Sammo85 said:
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are not paying Shurmur after this season ends. He was on a 4 yr deal.

I think the DG hate is going a little too far now. He failed. I'm sure he sees it and feels it.




Shurmur got a 5 year contract.



My error. Even more disgusting how big these coach contracts have been and how terrible the choices are magnified. Almost 6m per year for this garbage to each coach going on 5 years?


I think Mara hates both the dollars and years but this is what the market is. I never liked the guaranteed contracts especially since the players don't get them.
RE: Reese had a lot of class  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."


Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.

....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/7/2022 12:36 pm : link
I usually feel bad about guys getting fired, but Gettleman's the exception. He sucked at his job, was arrogant and ignorant, completely unthoughtful, and an asshole. Pretty much every boomer personified.

If you're a Giants fan, seeing him gone is a very good thing.
RE: RE: Reese had a lot of class  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15534266 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."




Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.


Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.
wow a lot of tough guys here venting their anger. real men among men.  
Victor in CT : 1/7/2022 12:38 pm : link
his contract is up and he's leaving. His failures at the job are no excuse for the personal venom here.

Another report..  
EricJ : 1/7/2022 12:44 pm : link
that has a 50/50 chance of being correct. To the reporter...Thanks for the "scoop"
RE: RE: RE: Reese had a lot of class  
BigBlueJ : 1/7/2022 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15534280 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."




Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.




Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.


STFU... all of the things that have come to light this season does not give you pause on the true history of things just exposes you as a fool with an agenda.
Well  
GNewGiants : 1/7/2022 12:50 pm : link
Reese was a man who was incapable of doing his job
Gettleman is a man who is incapable of doing his job but is an asshole to boot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese had a lot of class  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15534295 BigBlueJ said:
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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."




Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.




Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.



STFU... all of the things that have come to light this season does not give you pause on the true history of things just exposes you as a fool with an agenda.


Oh the biggest cheerleader of them all chimes in. Enjoy that framed picture of the 2012 draft. Wilson, Randle, Hosley, JPPTE's, Mosley, McCants, Kuhn. Glad your guy addressed the true needs after the 2012 NFCCG!
RE: RE: RE: The personal vendetta  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15534202 japanhead said:
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people have against Gettleman is very strange. He isn't the primary decision maker.




Right, DG was just along for the ride on Solder, Barkley, Jones, Williams, Bradberry and other big deals...



We know DG was along for the ride with Thomas (Garrett) and Baker (Shurmur). It stands to reason he was along for the ride in various other personnel decisions as well. Like Bettcher pushing for crappy ex-Cardinal players.

This is the problem many have been pointing out. The Giants have a "collaborative" structure and it muddies the waters re: accountability. Not sure about Barkley but Pettit pushing hard for him, and I seriously doubt Dave decided all by himself to select Daniel Jones. Rather, he was influenced by Shurmur (he had said as much) and Mara's insistence to get someone Eli-like who could come in and "learn under Eli" for a year.

I am no Gettleman fan, and I have little doubt he is directly responsible for Jonathan Stewart and Mike Shula and various other shitty decisions.

But the problems with the Giants started long before Gettleman got the GM job. Yes, the problems obviously spiraled under his GMship. But the problems are likely to continue if the Giants keep hiring long-tenured front office yes-men like Abrams, or terrible coaches like McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge.


Some good thoughts in here and a lot of not-so-good.

To point out specifically that DG was just along for the ride on critical first round picks but should be held directly accountable for guys like Stewart is laughable. He's the GM and he drives the bus. Not just part of the bus...the whole thing.

Garning input from scouts, head coaches assistants, player personnel and even family members with football titles is part of the job. It's still his ultimate primary responsibility to gather as much information, data, film and opinions and sort thru who makes sense to acquire and who doesn't in his overall judgment. And to ensure everyone fits into an overall roster building process and plan.

The decisions are DG's and the team wins 4-5 games per year because of his crappy performance.
Reese was fired in season...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/7/2022 12:54 pm : link
because Mara needed a scapegoat (along with McAdoo) for the Eli benching.

If not for the Eli benching, Mara would have waited until at least the end of the season to fire Reese. I doubt it had anything to do with race as Reese and Gettleman are two entirely different circumstances.
RE: RE: RE: Reese had a lot of class  
BrettNYG10 : 1/7/2022 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15534280 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 15534266 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."




Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.




Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great. If you think he did a good job post 2010 I have no interest in your opinion.


Didn't he call Eli skittish after the '07 Vikings game?
RE: RE: RE: Reese had a lot of class  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15534280 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 15534266 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 15534227 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Throwing his two time Super Bowl under the bus with his "skittish" remarks because of his horrific drafting.

Then when TC took the fall and the reporters were grilling him on all the poor talent he gave TC at his farewell press conference he responded by being defensive and dismissive.

You know what class would have been. "I take responsibility and need to be better at my job. I failed a two time SB coach."




Calling someone skittish as proof of a lack of class is a special kind of laughable stretch.

Dismissive? Perhaps boiling down Reese's run as GM to "all the poor talent he gave the two time Super Bowl winning coach" is dismissive.

2011 does not happen without the wide receivers and Jason Pierre-Paul, who carried them through the playoffs and won them a championship. There are still giants fans hanging on to the fairy tale that Reese just rode Ernie Accorsi's hairpiece to success, and that's an ugly look.




Reese had one very simple job. Protect your two time SB franchise QB. He failed miserably. Instead of owning it he said he is skittish. If that is is class to you great.


What it is is inoffensive lukewarm commentary at best.

He did not just have "one job". If all he did was draft offensive linemen you'd have been pissing and moaning that he failed to surround him with targets to throw to. Or a defense.

I'm not much interested in your opinion based on this shoddy argument you're trying to cobble together. It's telling enough based on your attitude that the only people you think played a hand in winning are Coughlin and Eli. Cool. You and half the fanbase incorrectly believe that.
 
christian : 1/7/2022 1:02 pm : link


Shake it off, shake it off.
Based on the first 20 or so responses  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/7/2022 1:08 pm : link
There are a lot of well adjusted, mature adults on this board.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/7/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15534176 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15534154 Go Terps said:


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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.



There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...



Oh with posters and fans I'm sure racism is a factor. With ownership I suspect it may be (We heard recently that Chris Mara may have made a pretty bad comment about Lamar Jackson), but can't say for sure.


Your comments are idiotic… this being only the most recent example.
RE: Probably mean a final end to the  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15534090 Jimmy Googs said:
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Dave Gettleman Fan Club as well.

They had a good run here on BBI over the last four years.

Will try to pull up some of the better DG threads I can find in the archives when I get a chance...




May have spoken to soon.

Looks like there are still a handful of posters that do not want to turn in their "Gettleman Fan Club" buttons and secret decoder rings just yet...

..  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2022 1:18 pm : link
Reese...good guy, and was responsible for two rings, especially bringing in awesome talent that helped with the 2012 SB. Nicks, Cruz, Manningham is one of the best trio in Giant history, all Reese guys. JPP, Rolle...huge for us during that year.

That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.
The fact that he was allowed to retire  
illmatic : 1/7/2022 1:22 pm : link
rather than firing him weeks ago and beginning the GM search early shows that nothing has changed with this franchise and nothing will change anytime soon.
To be fair to Gettleman  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 1:29 pm : link
he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.
RE: To be fair to Gettleman  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/7/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15534380 Dnew15 said:
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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.


Right. When he actually did his job- he sucked. Better GMs don't make those picks where he made them (Barkley/Jones).
ryan and Dnew  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 1:38 pm : link
Pretty fair assessments.
RE: ..  
BigBlueJ : 1/7/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15534361 ryanmkeane said:
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Reese...good guy, and was responsible for two rings, especially bringing in awesome talent that helped with the 2012 SB. Nicks, Cruz, Manningham is one of the best trio in Giant history, all Reese guys. JPP, Rolle...huge for us during that year.

That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.


Again, knowing what we know now, we cannot just say these were JR drafts. Chris Mara pined for the GM job for fucks sake. Who knows, except to say this organization after the anointing of John and Chris as operational managers have failed completely. That to ME is the real story here.
RE: To be fair to Gettleman  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15534380 Dnew15 said:
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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.


Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.

And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.
the video of him chasing his hat  
ATL_Giants : 1/7/2022 1:56 pm : link
on the practice field. It was edited to black & white with Benny Hill music... that was both hilarious and sad.

I felt embarrassed of what the Giants had become that day.
RE: the video of him chasing his hat  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15534438 ATL_Giants said:
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on the practice field. It was edited to black & white with Benny Hill music... that was both hilarious and sad.

I felt embarrassed of what the Giants had become that day.


Wait, what? This sounds hilarious.
RE: RE: To be fair to Gettleman  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15534415 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15534380 Dnew15 said:


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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.



Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.

And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.


But what other choice did the man have? He was a pasty of sorts from the jump. Which is what the Mara's were looking to hire. He was certainly a complicit patsy...a puppet if you will.

DG was a guy that didn't have a job, wasn't getting another shot anywhere else in the NFL, and basically got a job by telling Giants ownership exactly what they wanted to hear.

There was a logic behind the moves he made - they just didn't work. But given the cards he was dealt - there were times I was convinced he knew what he was doing...and now a bunch of people are on swearing they knew all along he was F'n up (go look at the Kenny G link someone posted in the other link).

There were a few who remained steadfast from the beginning (kudos to you - you were right - do You feel good now? - maybe you do - pretty sure my wife does when she plays told ya so), some that flip-flopped back and forth during his tenure - like myself, and others that believed full steam ahead that he was fixing the problem and still could given more time.

I'm just being honest about how I felt during the whole thing.
Dnew  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 2:10 pm : link
I think the decision to keep Eli was in the meeting between EA and John.
I've said this on other threads, but repeating here:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/7/2022 2:15 pm : link
As a fan, I care more about what happens next than about what just happened. Meaning, I don't care if DG is punished; I care about who the next GM is. Job candidates pay attention to how people are treated. Public humiliation probably makes it marginally harder to get the best candidate — or, at least, makes good candidates ask for more money. So it's arguably better for the Giants, and for me as a fan, to give DG a more-or-less dignified exit.

Everyone knows what happened here. Everyone knows he failed spectacularly. I don't know Dave Gettleman, I don't really care about his feelings, and he doesn't deserve more consideration than Jerry Reese got, but I care about giving the Giants every advantage in the next hiring process. God knows they're gonna need it.
RE: To be fair to Gettleman  
TyreeHelmet : 1/7/2022 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15534380 Dnew15 said:
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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.


Do the impossible? Come on. The NFL is hard but its not difficult to at least build a decent team. This guy took on a bad situation and made it significantly worse.

Look what he's leaving behind. Barely any foundational pieces and a team over the cap.

You couldn't have done much worse if he tried and acted like an arrogant asshole doing it.

Reese was a class act gets fired and he gets to retire. Makes zero sense...
RE: RE: RE: To be fair to Gettleman  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15534442 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 15534415 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15534380 Dnew15 said:


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he was brought in to do the impossible...try to salvage one last run from Eli and then transition the franchise to a new regime. It didn't work. But it's not like the guy purposely tried to run the NYG into the ground.

A lot of what he did - make logical sense.

His fate was sealed when Jones failed. It's that simple. I said it the day he drafted him. They would be forever tied together.



Dnew - I don't think he purposely tried to run it into the ground either. He just wasn't good at what he did...at all. He never put together a sensible rebuilding plan and clearly kept desperately trying to make up for that fact in terms of his implusive draft and free agent decisions.

And not for nothing...it wasn't impossible to make this work. And "logical" doesn't fit his postmortem here either.



But what other choice did the man have? He was a pasty of sorts from the jump. Which is what the Mara's were looking to hire. He was certainly a complicit patsy...a puppet if you will.

DG was a guy that didn't have a job, wasn't getting another shot anywhere else in the NFL, and basically got a job by telling Giants ownership exactly what they wanted to hear.

There was a logic behind the moves he made - they just didn't work. But given the cards he was dealt - there were times I was convinced he knew what he was doing...and now a bunch of people are on swearing they knew all along he was F'n up (go look at the Kenny G link someone posted in the other link).

There were a few who remained steadfast from the beginning (kudos to you - you were right - do You feel good now? - maybe you do - pretty sure my wife does when she plays told ya so), some that flip-flopped back and forth during his tenure - like myself, and others that believed full steam ahead that he was fixing the problem and still could given more time.

I'm just being honest about how I felt during the whole thing.


Yeah, I don't believe in the patsy/puppet crap. Conspiracy theories never hold water like this one.

I think DG did his own assessment on Eli and came to a conclusion, with his poor evaluation skills and crappy foresight, that this team could still win with him at QB and told the Owners exactly that. And they loved hearing it.

The logic comment doesn't follow as an add-on even if you believe he was a patsy. The team needed a Left Tackle and a running back even if Eli wasn't kept on. But that doesn't mean go out an make Solder the highest paid LT ever when he was barely an average player at that time. Nor does it mean take a RB with the overall #2 pick. But he thinks in a flawed manner...not logically so these are the results.

Was it logical to then be so wrong in 2018 that he should panic for a QB and overdraft Jones at #6? Or how about trading several draft picks just to move up for Baker when there were like 4 decent CBs still on the board?

Was there logic in a losing team giving up draft collateral at the trade deadline for free agent to-be Leonard Williams? Which only gave him leverage in the negotiations because DG couldn't execute a contract price...leaving the team exposed to having to sign him for elite level money.

I could go on, but honestly it has less about being right versus it being obvious from Year 1 to Year 4 that Gettleman sucked at player evaluation (both college and pro) and he always made decisions to fill holes in a desperate fashion versus come up with a cohesive roster building plan.

And that is why he failed and why there will be a new GM soon...
There a lot more things he did wrong where the decisions were all  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/7/2022 2:30 pm : link
in his hands. And there are a lot of things he did that made no logical sense, like trading for a player with only seven games left in his contract or picking an RB with the overall second pick in the draft when there is a lot of data out there that says this has low odds of improving the team.

He was bad at what he did, period. And when you make more mistakes than the other teams in this league, it shows up in the record. He's set this team back years. The next GM will be starting with nothing but draft capital and a couple of good cheap players.
I'm saying that the impossible  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 2:32 pm : link
was building in the direction that ownership made him build. Trying to get Eli one more run was never going to work.
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.

At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.

Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?

There have been a lot of people that went along with upper management despite their gut telling them not to....and in way worse situations than taking Daniel Jones #6 overall in the NFL draft.



As much as DG failed  
kelly : 1/7/2022 2:33 pm : link
The Mara's failed much more.

They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.

The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.

Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.
RE: As much as DG failed  
Justlurking : 1/7/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15534522 kelly said:
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The Mara's failed much more.

They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.

The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.

Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.


the nice thing is that by having this asshole retire rather than being fired the wrath on the maras will be more intense.
You all really want to make change happen...  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 2:35 pm : link
with the ownership group and the current entrenched front office people deemed to be untouchable...don't fall for this.

Make DG a martyr - not the scapegoat.
it is also truly unbelievable  
Justlurking : 1/7/2022 2:36 pm : link
that the maras are giving him this dignity. They are so completely tone deaf and idiotic. They are truly the worst.
RE: I'm saying that the impossible  
TyreeHelmet : 1/7/2022 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15534519 Dnew15 said:
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was building in the direction that ownership made him build. Trying to get Eli one more run was never going to work.
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.

At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.

Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?

There have been a lot of people that went along with upper management despite their gut telling them not to....and in way worse situations than taking Daniel Jones #6 overall in the NFL draft.




The guy was the General Manager. He built those teams and he's responsible. They never had a winning record under him.
I never really thought Reese was the issue like I do Getts  
GiantBlue : 1/7/2022 2:41 pm : link
But by the same token, Reese never got back on the GM carousel either by his own choice or those of the other teams.

Let's hope the next one is outstanding!!! We need it!
RE: it is also truly unbelievable  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15534530 Justlurking said:
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that the maras are giving him this dignity. They are so completely tone deaf and idiotic. They are truly the worst.


Man... people are killing DG for doing the Mara's bidding.
so, by the tone of this thread  
.McL. : 1/7/2022 2:43 pm : link
I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!
I think the intervention got worse  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 2:44 pm : link
when they got rid of Reese.

So I think Dnew makes some good points on this thread.
RE: RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
joeinpa : 1/7/2022 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15533876 djm said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.



Punishment doesn’t fix anything. He’s been disgraced for weeks in the public eye. What difference does it make at this point?


Exactly
lol  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2022 2:49 pm : link
yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept
RE: I'm saying that the impossible  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15534519 Dnew15 said:
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was building in the direction that ownership made him build. Trying to get Eli one more run was never going to work.
Neither was winning a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones.

At the end of the day, I think DG suffered the fate of every patsy and that he's losing his job so everyone else can save face.

Hypothetically speaking, what if DG actually didn't want to draft DJ behind closed doors but went along with it because the Mara's and Petit (if you been keeping up - it's pretty clear this group is actually running the franchise) were in love with Daniel Jones, the Eli clone, and DG really wanted Josh Allen, a really good DL that we all know DG loves to take. Do you think that it's possible DG went along with crowd?




DG missed on Jones because he doesn't know how to evaluate players very well, and that includes QBs. He convinced himself and the owners he saw the next franchise QB in the draft in Jones and would grab him at #17. But then in true moronic fashion, DG fell victim to the rumor mill and panicked taking him even earlier at #6 in pure desperation fashion since he was wrong on Eli the year before and felt he had to fix that error and come out of this draft with a QB.

them's the facts...
He might go down as the worst GM in the history of the NFL.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2022 2:52 pm : link
That's a pretty damn good punishment.
RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15534547 .McL. said:
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!


Best post of the discussion.
RE: lol  
uther99 : 1/7/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15534566 ryanmkeane said:
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept


Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
RE: lol  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/7/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15534566 ryanmkeane said:
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept


He's never going to be held accountable. He's obnoxious and condescending and it would be nice to hear him say he was wrong. Does it matter? Of course not.

But the vitriol here is a product of his attitude towards people who dare question his decisions. And now he gets to walk away without addressing it.
RE: RE: lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15534585 uther99 said:
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept



Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it


Why would getting fired for an 18-43 record be seen as treating anyone like crap?
mikeinbloomfield  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2022 3:09 pm : link
he's not your wife, he's a GM of your favorite team. Relax dude
RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
bw in dc : 1/7/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15534547 .McL. said:
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!


That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.
How about this scenario...  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 3:09 pm : link
1st year of DG's tenure as GM less than one month on the job...1st pre-draft meeting with DG in the room....less than one month on the job.

DG starts "Ok fellas - even though I wasn't in a front office last year I watched a ton of college tape and you know I'm the hog molly guy...there's this Guard from ND..."

Kevin Abrams: "Dave...Dave...Dave...we've been watching tape and meeting all year as a scout staff...we love the RB from Penn St. Kid is a can't miss."

Chris Mara: "Yeah I've been talking to John - he loves the kid. Thinks he can extend Eli's career a few years, and can be the face of the franchise for years to come."

You guys don't think that this is in fact a probable scenario?

Dnew  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2022 3:14 pm : link
based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.
RE: ..  
BigBlueBuff : 1/7/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15534361 ryanmkeane said:
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Reese...good guy, and was responsible for two rings, especially bringing in awesome talent that helped with the 2012 SB. Nicks, Cruz, Manningham is one of the best trio in Giant history, all Reese guys. JPP, Rolle...huge for us during that year.

That being said, he had just an unbelievably bad run of drafts that bottomed out the roster. It was a brutal stretch for 7+ seasons.

I find it remarkable that the team of Accorsi/Reese & Coughlin could have such excellent drafts from 2004-2011 and then suddenly start failing each year. It's almost like something changed in the Giants scouting a player evaluation department in 2011, but I can't quite put my finger on what it might have been...

RE: mikeinbloomfield  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/7/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15534622 ryanmkeane said:
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he's not your wife, he's a GM of your favorite team. Relax dude


I'm totally relaxed, especially if this rumor is true. Hopefully this will mean my season tickets are actually worth what I pay at some point.

But hey, I'm just trying to explain why only you and a few others want to have a send off party for "dahlin' Dave." We're tired of the act.
RE: Doesn't deserve to retire.  
holmancomedown : 1/7/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15533808 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His ass deserves to be fired.
100% agree
RE: Dnew  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15534635 ryanmkeane said:
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based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.


You might be right...

But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.

If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.

I don't.
RE: RE: Dnew  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/7/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15534679 Dnew15 said:
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based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.



You might be right...

But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.

If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.

I don't.


Who's saying he alone is responsible? I think the dominant attitude around here is clean house, down to the ticket takers.

Whoever is responsible for building this roster, from the draft to FA, need to go in my opinion. I do not think we will get that kind of reset, but that's what I support. Dave is just the most prominent offender, and the topic of this thread.
RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15534624 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15534547 .McL. said:


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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.


There should be one that is all in GIF and image format.
I do not understand with the obession that the guy  
Crazed Dogs : 1/7/2022 4:00 pm : link
needs to be fired.

Get over it.

Just be glad that there is going to be a change.

The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.

They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....

I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.
RE: I do not understand with the obession that the guy  
Jints in Carolina : 1/7/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15534737 Crazed Dogs said:
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needs to be fired.

Get over it.

Just be glad that there is going to be a change.

The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.

They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....

I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.


And that's what we were promised on Day 1 of Gettleman's tenure.
Trust me Jints  
Crazed Dogs : 1/7/2022 4:07 pm : link
I recall....
OK, I get It But  
varco : 1/7/2022 4:11 pm : link
DG didn't murder someone or rob anyone's house. He did a poor job in being an NFL GM - so he needs to be humiliated? I wouldn't want to be publicly punished for doing a bad job - just let him fade into the sunset. It would be classy on his part to apologize to the fans and owners and leave the stage. I'm sure he did not fail intentionally.
RE: How about this scenario...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15534625 Dnew15 said:
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1st year of DG's tenure as GM less than one month on the job...1st pre-draft meeting with DG in the room....less than one month on the job.

DG starts "Ok fellas - even though I wasn't in a front office last year I watched a ton of college tape and you know I'm the hog molly guy...there's this Guard from ND..."

Kevin Abrams: "Dave...Dave...Dave...we've been watching tape and meeting all year as a scout staff...we love the RB from Penn St. Kid is a can't miss."

Chris Mara: "Yeah I've been talking to John - he loves the kid. Thinks he can extend Eli's career a few years, and can be the face of the franchise for years to come."

You guys don't think that this is in fact a probable scenario?


No. Have you not listened to a word he has said for 4 straight years?

DG got fired from his previous job because he wouldn't go along with an owner against what he thought. You think he would just change his stripes and be the NYG lackey all of sudden, pick guys he thought were wrong and then get up in front of a mic and start bragging about it...for someone else? And then when it the Mara's picks went down the toilet, you think DG would double down and tell the media he doesn't do this as a hobby. Not a chance.

How far you want to push this patsy thing?
RE: RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15534685 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15534547 .McL. said:


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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.



There should be one that is all in GIF and image format.


plenty of material, that's for sure...
RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
.McL. : 1/7/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15534624 bw in dc said:
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.

I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!
RE: I do not understand with the obession that the guy  
AcesUp : 1/7/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15534737 Crazed Dogs said:
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needs to be fired.

Get over it.

Just be glad that there is going to be a change.

The biggest concern should be who are they going to hire and will he have complete control.

They need to get this one right or the futility will continue....

I so long for a team that fits the history/identity of the organization..... good lines on both sides of the ball. Smash mouth football.


I was in this boat at first but there was a competitive advantage to firing Gettleman early. They could have moved forward with some GM interviews like Dorsey, Pioli or Riddick - basically anybody that wasn't with a team. Probably could have shaved off 1 week from the search, which may be a big week if you subscribe to the idea that Judge should go and the GM should choose the coach. As it stands now, the GM search will take 2-3 weeks at which time the top HC candidates will be off the market.
RE: The  
BMac : 1/7/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15533879 Toth029 said:
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Puppet is gone.

Now do something with all the power the Mara family has.


A suggested change:

The puppet is gone; the puppeteer remains until the strings are severed.






Basically  
AcesUp : 1/7/2022 4:47 pm : link
it makes it more likely Judge is back.
RE: RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15534815 .McL. said:
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In comment 15534547 .McL. said:


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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.


I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!


When has he ever defended this GM?
RE: RE: RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
.McL. : 1/7/2022 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15534828 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15534547 .McL. said:


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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.


I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!



When has he ever defended this GM?

When was the last time her posted?
RE: It doesn't matter  
upnyg : 1/7/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15533875 JonC said:
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the man played a longtime role in a successful era for NYG, and then as a leader he struggled. Nothing gained by being mean or working purposely to embarrass him.

I agree and believe the team has its faults, but is a class act overall for its staff, players, etc.

There's no need to embarass anyone anymmore than what the record states. We want to be a destimation for other GMs and coaches. They take notice on how people leave.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15534835 .McL. said:
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I am guessing that an appreciation thread isn't forthcoming!



That would be an absolute beauty.

Could be a good way to draw out my Fat friend in Charlotte so he can pay his respects.


I was actually musing to myself that if we did start one, he might be the only one to post something positive on it!



When has he ever defended this GM?


When was the last time her posted?


You'd have to check the archives for that.

that is, if nobody changed them on purpose :-)
Na na na na  
Spider43 : 1/7/2022 5:08 pm : link
Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.
well happy retirement Dave...  
BillKo : 1/7/2022 5:16 pm : link
..you had a really nice career in the NFL that unfortunately ended badly with the Football Giants.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so, by the tone of this thread  
.McL. : 1/7/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15534849 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15534835 .McL. said:

Jimmy Googs said:
When has he ever defended this GM?


When was the last time her posted?



You'd have to check the archives for that.

that is, if nobody changed them on purpose :-)

LOL
RE: Na na na na  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15534850 Spider43 said:
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.


You seem like a sane, stable person!
RE: There’s this thing called ‘The Peter Principle’...  
V.I.G. : 1/7/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15533916 Spider56 said:
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The Giants have been a living example of its truth for far too long.

well well said
RE: RE: Na na na na  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15534866 UConn4523 said:
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.



You seem like a sane, stable person!


Out of popcorn?
Ask yourselves this question  
Blue92 : 1/7/2022 5:43 pm : link
As a fan, what do you ultimately want? To see the team win or wallow in the franchise's bad days more than you have to?

DG failed to demonstrate that he is an effective executive in today's NFL and can no longer remain in his position.
That said, I'm sure he worked hard and in good faith and is likely even more disappointed with the results than we are as they reflect directly on him.
His pro personnel work....  
Racer : 1/7/2022 5:44 pm : link
...1998-2012 for NYG was praiseworthy. Just couldn't lead from the top chair of the front office and certainly couldn't tell big John what he needed to hear.
I do hope for a farewell presser  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/7/2022 5:45 pm : link
with Q&A
RE: His pro personnel work....  
BillKo : 1/7/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15534891 Racer said:
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...1998-2012 for NYG was praiseworthy. Just couldn't lead from the top chair of the front office and certainly couldn't tell big John what he needed to hear.


Which is a huge disappointment considering the success he had in CAR.
RE: Ask yourselves this question  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15534889 Blue92 said:
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As a fan, what do you ultimately want? To see the team win or wallow in the franchise's bad days more than you have to?

DG failed to demonstrate that he is an effective executive in today's NFL and can no longer remain in his position.
That said, I'm sure he worked hard and in good faith and is likely even more disappointed with the results than we are as they reflect directly on him.


I cant think of a single person here who is choosing more bad football. No one wants the team to continue to be bad.

As they say, "if you don't like what they're saying, change the conversation. "

They've lost five straight games and delivered a steady stream of follies and keystone kops moments to talk about. You can be sick and tired of what this team is and also want better.

Don’t be fooled  
V.I.G. : 1/7/2022 5:57 pm : link
His ass is being fired.
RE: RE: His pro personnel work....  
Racer : 1/7/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15534896 BillKo said:
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...1998-2012 for NYG was praiseworthy. Just couldn't lead from the top chair of the front office and certainly couldn't tell big John what he needed to hear.



Which is a huge disappointment considering the success he had in CAR.


Agree. He took Lotulelei and Short back to back as his first two picks, and how good was that inside triangle partnering them with Kuechly. Mine and others good faith based on moves like that certainly wasn't rewarded.
RE: Na na na na  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/7/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15534850 Spider43 said:
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.


It's a football team for fucks sake.

At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?
RE: RE: Na na na na  
UConn4523 : 1/7/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15534931 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.



It's a football team for fucks sake.

At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?


It’s like the comment section on a YouTube video.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2022 6:46 pm : link
Some of the comments have been over the top. And granted, I don't like seeing ANYONE lose their job. But I still stand by what I said initially: It's a joke he gets the right to retire. His ass should be fired. He did a horrific-HORRIFIC-job here. He set this organization back years.
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81_Great_Dane : 1/7/2022 6:59 pm : link
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept



Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it
That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.
Fuck Dave. I can’t think of anybody who deserves scorn more than him.  
The_Boss : 1/7/2022 7:00 pm : link
This cocksucker managed to leave the organization in worse shape than he inherited it. That takes an impressive level of incompetence to achieve.

Dave, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart: Fuck you. And the horse you rode in on. Fuck you..where you breathe. As Eric Cartman once said on South Park: up your ass with broken glass…
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BillKo : 1/7/2022 7:22 pm : link
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.



It's a football team for fucks sake.

At what point did it become socially acceptable for grown men to behave like children?



It’s like the comment section on a YouTube video.


LOL, what's the percentage of posts with cursing and other vulgar language, SMH.

Heck, saying it's one thing but to type it takes another talent...
So what is the menu  
Ike#88 : 1/7/2022 7:48 pm : link
for his retirement party? Maybe a pig roast in honor of Hog Mollies with open bar featuring medium Pepsi.
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FStubbs : 1/7/2022 8:02 pm : link
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.



There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...


You're kidding, right? People are still irrationally angry at Reese and refuse to give him credit for anything.
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BigBlueShock : 1/7/2022 8:05 pm : link
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I also don't recall the clamor for the high road with Reese, who besides being far more competent than Gettleman also comported himself like an actual professional.



There was not this embarrassing level of vitriol when Reese was let go. But definitely keep trying to talk around what you apparently don't have the balls to say...



You're kidding, right? People are still irrationally angry at Reese and refuse to give him credit for anything.

Compared to Gettleman? Come on now. Gettleman is now the most hated man in Giants history. And it’s not close.
i wish Mr Gettleman a full and complete recovery from his NHL, and  
plato : 1/7/2022 8:19 pm : link
ii hope he enjoys his retirement. I thank him for his previous contributions to the Giants that helped in winning Superbowls and for his efforts, however efffective in trying to make the Giants a winner again. We all have goals for success that we sometimes cannot reach and it doesn’t mean we didn’t try.

So goodbye, good health thanks for your efforts, and good luck.
RE: RE: RE: lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 8:23 pm : link
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept



Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it

That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.


You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.

Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?
Time to take out ALL the trash  
LoveFootball : 1/7/2022 8:37 pm : link
EVERYONE goes
please have him take JJ  
thrunthrublue : 1/7/2022 8:44 pm : link
with him......
RE: RE: RE: RE: lol  
uther99 : 1/7/2022 9:52 pm : link
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept



Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it

That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.



You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.

Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?


Firing DG 4 days before the end of the season comes off as petty and vindictive. We are trying to attract good GM candidates. Should we look like Amazon? No. I don't care about DG, he sucked, this is about appearing like a good organization. Its about moving forward
RE: Na na na na  
montanagiant : 1/7/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15534850 Spider43 said:
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Na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye. I'm going to dance on your grave, you fat fucking loser.

My God, grow the fuck up.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 10:45 pm : link
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yeah, Mara's are tone dead for letting a guy "retire" instead of being "fired" which...who gives a fuck because is he being fired, it's the same thing.

Giving a guy his dignity, wow, what a horrible concept



Treating DG like crap in his exit is actually worse for the Giants. The tar and feather crowd don't get it

That's what I keep saying. A lot of people don't want to hear it.



You're not the first person to say it, but feel free to explain it.

Why would firing a gm with this record and these results be seen as "treating him poorly"?



Firing DG 4 days before the end of the season comes off as petty and vindictive. We are trying to attract good GM candidates. Should we look like Amazon? No. I don't care about DG, he sucked, this is about appearing like a good organization. Its about moving forward


4 days is meaningless, you're right. They should have done it weeks ago or more when it was obvious this season was not going to be the "go for it year" they fantasized about. That's weeks of time that could have been spent accepting the reality of the seazon, moving on, identifying what to do next. They'll now wait until Monday, then spend weeks deciding on a new GM, then the new hire will need weeks to assess this smoking ruin of a ball club, hire and fire staff, and get into offseasoseason,

No one anywhere would have thought the Giants was treating anyone unfairly for moving on from a failed GM with 18 wins in four years.

That doesn't even mention the fact that last time the Giants fired a GM, they had zero problem doing it midseason. They didn't care about being seen to treat some poorly then.

Pardon the typos.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2022 10:46 pm : link
Typing on phone.
The real truth is  
.McL. : 1/7/2022 10:59 pm : link
He should have been fired along with Shurmur...

And really...

Never been hired!
RE: Mara won't embarrass  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15534183 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Him cause he did his bidding.

Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.

As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.


Exactly.
RE: As much as DG failed  
Optimus-NY : 1/7/2022 11:48 pm : link
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The Mara's failed much more.

They chose DG. They run the football personnel department.

The three Mara's need to stand in front of the cameras and apologize for this 10 year mess. And then they need to tell us how they are going to fix it. DG is gone. Those that remain are accountable.

Don't let the Mara's off the hook by focusing your wrath on DG.


+100
the bloodlust  
wigs in nyc : 1/7/2022 11:57 pm : link
really is pretty remarkable to behold.

Everyone remember to bring their stone?
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Optimus-NY : 1/8/2022 12:00 am : link
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based on the way DG talked about Barkley...absolutely not. Plus, he drafted McCaffrey at 8 overall the year before.



You might be right...

But I think it's foolish to think that DG acted alone in all these actions and that he alone is to be held responsible for where this organization has fallen.

If you all think he's the head of the snake - so be it.

I don't.



Who's saying he alone is responsible? I think the dominant attitude around here is clean house, down to the ticket takers.

Whoever is responsible for building this roster, from the draft to FA, need to go in my opinion. I do not think we will get that kind of reset, but that's what I support. Dave is just the most prominent offender, and the topic of this thread.


The owners have had more than a hand in building this roster. Where are they going to go exactly?

The bottom line is this:
The Maras have been involved in personnel decisions and are hiding behind the Gettlemans, Abrams, and Petits of the world. They don't have the courage to come out and own this mess. They've done what Squint did in the past. There's a reason Tim Mara went against Wellington in 78/79.

They need to be forced to step back into non-personnel roles, so that a GY type figure can come in and build this the right way, instead of John Mara plugging in holes constantly while several more pop up in the process. It's a doomed groupthink process in which the Maras not only perform a deus ex machina role whenever they see fit---they actually make the calls, but run away from the responsibility. There's a reason Gettleman was hired as the GM.
RE: RE: Mara won't embarrass  
GiantTuff1 : 1/8/2022 8:02 am : link
In comment 15535259 Optimus-NY said:
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Him cause he did his bidding.

Mara wanted to win one more time with Eli and hired Dave to do it. It failed miserably and pivoting to a rebuild failed just as bad.

As stated in numerous threads, this is holistic not just DG.



Exactly.


I believe this to be true.

People are saying that DG convinced Mara that he could win one more time with Eli. That’s what they want you to think. It’s the other way around.

DG was bad, but the Maras forced their desire to win with Eli on DG and effectively ruined this guys legacy much worse than it might have been otherwise. I would venture to guess they feel bad enough about it that they are letting him retire. They are cowards and should own their mistakes and be accountable for each one and not maliciously hide and shove sacrificial lambs to slaughter — now going on how many people? TC, Reese, Ross, McAdoo, Shurmur, DG, and more to come.

All you have to do is go back in time and review DG’s comments about “Eli took me to the low post and won”… That tells me DG was convinced Eli was cooked, but a contingent of Maras and probably Eli tried to prove him otherwise.

Evan past the Eli situation it was a clusterfuck all the way around with DG, but I think he was set up in a terrible situation with meddling owners running personnel — or at least the most major decisions. It keeps happening no matter what leader is in place and Joe Judge is facing that now (Garrett, Jones, DG/Mara contingent).

Sickening cycle.
Disagree on the Low Post comment. Gettleman probably convinced  
NYGgolfer : 1/8/2022 8:53 am : link
the Mara's they didn't have to tear the roster down in early 2018 after getting the job. He said there were some areas that needed improvement but with Eli and some new additions they could compete. They bought it hook-line-sinker.

However, with the moves Gettleman made (bad) and Eli not being the old Eli anymore that plan failed miserably. So Gettleman now has missed out of the box and comes to conclusion he needs to turnover the roster much deeper and get a new QB and stop relying on Eli.

Eli's roster bonus decision is coming up in Spring of 2019 and Gettleman is clearly leaning towards moving away from Eli. They meet and somehow Eli convinces him he still has enough game and to give him another year. And that he can still go draft a new QB and Eli will be a good influence in helping the development and transition to that guy when the actual time comes. And keeping Eli on also provides some security in the event the Giants aren't able to get one of the QBs they want. This is when Gettleman commented about “Eli took me to the low post and won”, not the year earlier.

This was obviously another huge miss because now the Giants are paying Eli a lot of money for his last year AND drafting a new QB. Gettleman's plan becomes even more expensive when he gets nervous and overdrafts Jones at #6 because he is convinced other teams will take him before their next pick.

So now Gettleman has Eli to start the season and can move to Jones when he and Shurmur determine its time. Sure enough, that lasts a whole 2 or 3 games and now the decision to keep Eli on looks ridiculous. But at least Jones looks pretty decent early on although the fumbling issues need to be curtailed.

Fast forward two years later...Gettleman has now missed with Eli twice, Jones hasn't developed into a good QB, and Gettleman also wasted a huge amount of money and high picks in not realizing the team needed a rebuild from the beginning and then rebuilt it poorly in a flawed, desperate manner. Leaving the roster in total shambles as we have today.

Hopefully Gettleman's retirement goes better because it is difficult to think any GM can have done a worse job here.
BBI  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/8/2022 8:54 am : link
Is turning into Twitter
Woot  
Spider43 : 1/8/2022 9:14 am : link
T-2!
Gettleman has been cutting heel promos  
arniefez : 1/8/2022 9:41 am : link
since the day he showed up. In this feud the fans are the babyfaces. Not letting the babyfaces beat the heel and get their revenge before the heel leaves town for another territory is how you kill the town.

John Mara is killing the town.
RE: BBI  
wigs in nyc : 1/8/2022 10:18 am : link
In comment 15535357 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Is turning into Twitter


the *world* is turning into Twitter
RE: please have him take JJ  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15535142 thrunthrublue said:
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with him......


Undoubtedly, it should be a package deal on Monday.

Gettleman and Judge, ousted.
NYGgolfer  
GiantTuff1 : 1/8/2022 11:00 am : link
Sounds plausible, but I don’t think I can buy it.

Historically, who has shown to have a track record of half measures? Mara, right?

Look at DG’s tenure in Carolina, he got a ton of shit there locally because he ousted popular veterans like Steve Smith who were cornerstones there, and he wanted to release more name vets — like Olsen among others — but was told no. He was fired in large part because he wanted to do those things.

It’s hard for me to accept that DG suddenly lost the cold blooded killer in him, or that he would dilute himself enough to think Eli would work when he has proven to have no problem burying old players behind the barn. He has demonstrated being able to move on, Mara has not.

The more likely explanation based on historical data points in my opinion is that Mara — similar to how he will foist Joe Judge on a new GM and ask him to try Judge out for a year — likely asked DG to do the exact same with Eli — try for one more year with Eli.

The fact Shurmur and DG moved so quickly to bench Eli in 2019 actually supports this argument.

Otherwise why wouldn’t they run with Eli longer in 2019 if they actually believed they can win with him? I don’t think they did believe they could win with Eli. So the earliest acceptable time they could get out from under Eli — with a new QB and a fan base understanding of the situation — they did.
RE: Gettleman has been cutting heel promos  
GiantTuff1 : 1/8/2022 11:06 am : link
In comment 15535424 arniefez said:
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since the day he showed up. In this feud the fans are the babyfaces. Not letting the babyfaces beat the heel and get their revenge before the heel leaves town for another territory is how you kill the town.

John Mara is killing the town.


As a big wrestling fan love the analogies lol.

DG is an amazing heel then.

But I have more of a problem with the familial triad of bookers for this shit product. They are akin to WCWs management when that ship was sinking.
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