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Does Kenny Golladay Have Top 5 Potential?

christian : 1/7/2022 1:13 pm
We’re coming up on the meat of his contract in 22/23, where he’s slated to be a top 5 paid WR. Curious, what fans think his potential is.
This one’s gonna be  
cosmicj : 1/7/2022 1:14 pm : link
Good.
He’s  
Les in TO : 1/7/2022 1:15 pm : link
Just like Plaxico Burress except he can’t stay on the field, catch, run or block. Another Gettleman special!
he has top 5 potential for worst contract in football  
GiantsFan84 : 1/7/2022 1:15 pm : link
outside of that....
No.  
Capt. Don : 1/7/2022 1:15 pm : link
He is a nice receiver that has fundamental limitations.

He can be a valuable part of a diverse passing game - which we do not have.
 
christian : 1/7/2022 1:19 pm : link
In 2019 he was 1st in TDs, 6th in YPT, and 7th in yards.
I'm not sure  
battttles : 1/7/2022 1:19 pm : link
he'd even be a top 5 WR on the Cowboys
 
christian : 1/7/2022 1:21 pm : link
Health aside, what’s so improbable that he can match his 2019 season? It’s not an eternity ago.
I don't think so...  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 1:24 pm : link
But..with competent QB play - he can be a very good piece to a good offense.

Just like Plax was.

Plax was never a top 5 in the NFL.
.  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 1:28 pm : link
I'd think you'd have to try hard first before becoming a top 5 NFL WR.

The Giants have played 16 games. Golladay is at 34/499/0.

That is stupefying.

For fun, the Golladay signing thread is below.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: …  
BrettNYG10 : 1/7/2022 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15534369 christian said:
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Health aside, what’s so improbable that he can match his 2019 season? It’s not an eternity ago.


Golladay might be a Nicks like guy whose wear and tear slows him down as he ages.
He isn’t a top-5 receiver and likely never will be  
Mike from Ohio : 1/7/2022 1:31 pm : link
But when you sign guys in free agency, you are not signing them where they fall on the spectrum of NFL WRs. You are signing them based on the most recent contracts signed for similar players. It is not very common that the 10 best players at any position are the 10 highest paid.

Golladay can be a useful receiver, but with a poor line and poor QB his production will be limited.
No, he's not that good.  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 1:34 pm : link
In the right scheme with the right QB, he can be very good, when healthy (and motivated). The Giants overpaid because he was the best WR in a bad FA class. That is acceptable if he's the missing piece for a playoff contender, not for a bottom feeder.
Not even close  
giantBCP : 1/7/2022 1:34 pm : link
Disaster signing that handcuffs us more than most people realize.
Top 5 WR would likely need  
kdog77 : 1/7/2022 1:37 pm : link
100+ receptions, 1300 yards, and 10 TDs.

Golloday would need to get about 150 targets to reach those stats and the Giants offense would need to be a lot more efficient to generate that type of opportunity. I would bet against top 5 and put his ceiling more in the top 15-20 range with the current roster.
Mike Thomas from Saints is one of the top 5 paid  
ZogZerg : 1/7/2022 1:37 pm : link
WRs - how is that working out?
Odell was overpaid, Robinson from Chicago is over paid. How did brown workout for Raiders? Julio Jones worth the draft capitol and money?

That's the problem when you don't draft well. You overpay for guys that should be a #1.

It's all over the league. Not just Giants.
And when some of these guys get paid they turn into major divas.
Look, I know he has had injuries since he walked in the door  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 1:38 pm : link
poor offensive gameplans and crappy QBs throwing him (or not throwing him) the ball.

But he plays too often like he doesn't want to be out there. Just kind of going thru the motions.

And it's not like it has happened once...
A motivated Kenny G in a good offense can be really good  
AdamBrag : 1/7/2022 1:38 pm : link
It's clear he's packed it in right now. The offense was also a mess and didn't scheme things for him.

Is he good enough to line up against any corner and be dominant one on one running any route? It doesn't look like it. Who is though?
RE: Mike Thomas from Saints is one of the top 5 paid  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15534395 ZogZerg said:
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WRs - how is that working out?
Odell was overpaid, Robinson from Chicago is over paid. How did brown workout for Raiders? Julio Jones worth the draft capitol and money?

That's the problem when you don't draft well. You overpay for guys that should be a #1.

It's all over the league. Not just Giants.
And when some of these guys get paid they turn into major divas.


Thomas is hurt, and it's hard to say that NO didn't draft well when they drafted him. Then it comes down to do you pay a guy on his second contract? NO would have been vilified for letting Thomas go, and rightly so.
No way…it would be nice if he could crack the top 25  
Rick in Dallas : 1/7/2022 1:41 pm : link
I never realized how limited he is as a WR. I didn’t watch too many Lions games.
He gets absolutely no separation on any pass routes.
What bothers me about his FA signing with the Giants is that DG bid against himself in contract negotiations.
at his peak he never had top-5 written on him  
Producer : 1/7/2022 1:44 pm : link
But top-12, certainly.

And he still has the ability to reach that height again. He needs a QB who knows how to get him the ball. He needs a QB who isn't always see it, throw it, and can throw with anticipation. One who isn't chronically late with his throws.
RE: No way…it would be nice if he could crack the top 25  
Producer : 1/7/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15534405 Rick in Dallas said:
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I never realized how limited he is as a WR. I didn’t watch too many Lions games.
He gets absolutely no separation on any pass routes.
What bothers me about his FA signing with the Giants is that DG bid against himself in contract negotiations.


he doesn't need separation to be effective. But the ball can't arrive late. He needs a QB who isn't afraid that he appears covered, and can throw to the side that is open, and throw it early.
I'd  
AcidTest : 1/7/2022 1:47 pm : link
seriously consider cutting him and eating the cap hit.
RE: No way…it would be nice if he could crack the top 25  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15534405 Rick in Dallas said:
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I never realized how limited he is as a WR. I didn’t watch too many Lions games.
He gets absolutely no separation on any pass routes.
What bothers me about his FA signing with the Giants is that DG bid against himself in contract negotiations.


DG repeatedly negotiated against himself. Philly offered Adoree Jackson 3/27? Here's 3/39!

That said, KG was never a separation guy, but he has the size and athleticism to go up to get the ball. A lot of WR's have had a lot of success doing that, but it requires a QB who can make throws with anticipation. We haven't seen that from Jones yet.
Not  
Toth029 : 1/7/2022 1:49 pm : link
Getting separation isn't a big deal to a guy like him. Neither did Plaxico. They're big guys who use their immense leaping ability to scale over DB's to secure the ball.

He was THE top contested catch king in his time in DET. That's not opinion. That's a fact. He's in a shitty situation in NY where QB is set in a equally shitty scheme that doesn't take off routes downfield. Jones made Slayton look good in 2019 doing this. He made big passes downfield to Tate. Garrett was dreadful in his scheme, philosophy. I don't know how some can't grasp that.

Whoever the next QB is, they need to allow the guy throw downfield. That's how a guy like Golladay excels. And this isn't a Stafford thing. The guy freaking balled out with David Blough.
RE: Not  
Producer : 1/7/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15534422 Toth029 said:
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Getting separation isn't a big deal to a guy like him. Neither did Plaxico. They're big guys who use their immense leaping ability to scale over DB's to secure the ball.

He was THE top contested catch king in his time in DET. That's not opinion. That's a fact. He's in a shitty situation in NY where QB is set in a equally shitty scheme that doesn't take off routes downfield. Jones made Slayton look good in 2019 doing this. He made big passes downfield to Tate. Garrett was dreadful in his scheme, philosophy. I don't know how some can't grasp that.

Whoever the next QB is, they need to allow the guy throw downfield. That's how a guy like Golladay excels. And this isn't a Stafford thing. The guy freaking balled out with David Blough.


Just saying the overhead plays Jones could make to Slayton are much easier throws than the back shoulder stuff you have to give to Golladay, when he seems covered but really isn't. Degree of difficulty on those throws is quite a bit higher.
No  
Breeze_94 : 1/7/2022 1:53 pm : link
And I don’t think that was even a consideration when they signed him. Desperate teams overpay for “B” players in FA.

Unfortunately, Golladay has not even been a B. He’s been an F.

I think best case scenario is Golladay bounces back next year and returns to the level he played in 2018-2019. That would be a top 15-20 WR which is likely what the Giants hoped they’d get.

If not, looking at the way the deal is structured, there is a chance he won’t be here past 2022. (They can save over 10mil by cutting him though they’d take a decent hit in dead cap)
I guess I can back into this  
Biteymax22 : 1/7/2022 1:53 pm : link
Can I name 5 better receivers:

Kupp
Jefferson
Chase
Metcalf
AJ Brown
Hopkins
A. Cooper
McClaurin
Lamb
Samuels


I can keep going but at this point I'm just going to have to go with no. Unless something drastically changes I don't see him making the 3rd year of his contract, especially with the GM that made the deal retiring Monday.
RE: .  
bw in dc : 1/7/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15534378 Go Terps said:
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I'd think you'd have to try hard first before becoming a top 5 NFL WR.

The Giants have played 16 games. Golladay is at 34/499/0.

That is stupefying.

For fun, the Golladay signing thread is below. Link - ( New Window )


That was a fun read. Lots of interesting real estate covered there.
RE: I'd  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15534416 AcidTest said:
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seriously consider cutting him and eating the cap hit.


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RE: RE: .  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15534437 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15534378 Go Terps said:


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I'd think you'd have to try hard first before becoming a top 5 NFL WR.

The Giants have played 16 games. Golladay is at 34/499/0.

That is stupefying.

For fun, the Golladay signing thread is below. Link - ( New Window )



That was a fun read. Lots of interesting real estate covered there.


One game left to see if Jones gets to 30 TD passes on the season...
Contested catch king?  
giantBCP : 1/7/2022 1:59 pm : link
The guy shows no ball skills whatsoever, and that has nothing to do with the QB.
Top 5  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 2:00 pm : link
To me is someone that a defense has to change the way they play. It did not seem like he gets great separation. I don't see the comparisons at all to Plax who as TC said was a "rare" athlete.

Hoping for a better 2022 but if they blow up the roster he should probably be a part of it.
RE: I guess I can back into this  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15534432 Biteymax22 said:
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Can I name 5 better receivers:

Kupp
Jefferson
Chase
Metcalf
AJ Brown
Hopkins
A. Cooper
McClaurin
Lamb
Samuels


I can keep going but at this point I'm just going to have to go with no. Unless something drastically changes I don't see him making the 3rd year of his contract, especially with the GM that made the deal retiring Monday.


Let me keep going for you...

Adams
Hill
Diggs
Godwin
Evans
Thielen
Allen
Waddle
I’d be happy  
Joe Beckwith : 1/7/2022 2:00 pm : link
With top 60
RE: RE: …  
TyreeHelmet : 1/7/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15534381 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15534369 christian said:


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Health aside, what’s so improbable that he can match his 2019 season? It’s not an eternity ago.



Golladay might be a Nicks like guy whose wear and tear slows him down as he ages.


Except he wasn't close to the player Nicks was.

Maybe he can be a top 5 receiver on a team. Thats the only top 5 he will be sniffing.
RE: I'd  
giantBCP : 1/7/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15534416 AcidTest said:
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seriously consider cutting him and eating the cap hit.


$23.6 million dead cap hit if we cut him after this season, which is not happening. That number goes down to $10.2 million if we cut him after next season, which is much more realistic.
And as much as I’d  
Joe Beckwith : 1/7/2022 2:04 pm : link
Be happy with top 60, could we move him and that contract for a late 5th, early 6th?
Top 5 no  
MyNameIsMyName : 1/7/2022 2:05 pm : link
Can be top 10 with a good QB though
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2022 2:08 pm : link
No.
Somehow the name Matthew Stafford hasn’t appeared in this thread  
cosmicj : 1/7/2022 2:10 pm : link
In 2019, Stafford played in only 8 games but his performance was Canton worthy.

8.6 YPA 19/5 TD/INT ratio. His yardage extrapolated to a hair under 5,000 for the full season.

In fact, when the Rams traded for Stafford, my assumption was that this was based on the 2019 season. McVay thought this was the new normal for Stafford, and in fact his 2021 has been close, so it was an astute guess.

So the answer is that Galloday benefitted from very high echelon QB play in 2019. Then the next year he barely played. Then the dumb side of the Stafford/Golladay split stepped in, misevaluated who was responsible for what and gave KG a monster contract.

And here we are.
RE: Contested catch king?  
Toth029 : 1/7/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15534443 giantBCP said:
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The guy shows no ball skills whatsoever, and that has nothing to do with the QB.


2018 and 2019. Most yards secured in contested catches. Also one of the very best in catch percentage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pff_lions/status/1339735050104033281?lang=bg

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RE: Somehow the name Matthew Stafford hasn’t appeared in this thread  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 1/7/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15534472 cosmicj said:
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In 2019, Stafford played in only 8 games but his performance was Canton worthy.

8.6 YPA 19/5 TD/INT ratio. His yardage extrapolated to a hair under 5,000 for the full season.

In fact, when the Rams traded for Stafford, my assumption was that this was based on the 2019 season. McVay thought this was the new normal for Stafford, and in fact his 2021 has been close, so it was an astute guess.

So the answer is that Galloday benefitted from very high echelon QB play in 2019. Then the next year he barely played. Then the dumb side of the Stafford/Golladay split stepped in, misevaluated who was responsible for what and gave KG a monster contract.

And here we are.


Again, I don't think anyone would ever mistake our QB situation with Stafford. But, in the other 8 games that Stafford missed in 2019, David Blough, and Jeff Driskel were his QBs, and he went 30-550-4 TDs. That show's that Golladay can still be an effective weapon, even with brutal QB play. Again, in 13 games this year he's at 34-499-0. He's never going to be the 10 catch a game guy, he's going to be the guy that gauges you for 15-20 yards a catch, and someone you should be able to throw the ball in 1 on 1 scenarios. I do believe a lot has to do with very poor scheming on the offensive coaching side. How many times did we complain about Garrett's short WR routes across the board? That's not Kenny's strength.

I don't think he has top 5 potential, but I do think he can get to that top 15-20 WR status with an offense that utilizes him correctly.
RE: RE: Contested catch king?  
giantBCP : 1/7/2022 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15534479 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15534443 giantBCP said:


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The guy shows no ball skills whatsoever, and that has nothing to do with the QB.



2018 and 2019. Most yards secured in contested catches. Also one of the very best in catch percentage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pff_lions/status/1339735050104033281?lang=bg Link - ( New Window )


I guess injuries washed him up.
.  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 2:23 pm : link
A big part of the problem is that Golladay has to be thrown open, or be thrown to while covered and trusted to make a play. Jones is completely incapable of doing that.

Go back to week 1 against Denver in the red zone. The pathetic out that Jones threw to Golladay was a major warning sign.

Just another colossal failure that Gettleman can take with him as he slouches out the door.
The signing was terrible  
WillVAB : 1/7/2022 2:23 pm : link
Before the ink dried. You don’t give an injury prone WR that kind of money.
RE: The signing was terrible  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/7/2022 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15534504 WillVAB said:
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Before the ink dried. You don’t give an injury prone WR that kind of money.


Case closed.
Cosmicj  
Toth029 : 1/7/2022 2:30 pm : link
He also played with David Blough and Jeff Driskell.

With Stafford: 35 catches, 640 yards, 7 TD's

With Driskell/Blough: 30 catches, 550 yards, 4 TD's

Also reminder. His yards per intended target in DET was 9.9, 8.9, 10.3, and 10.6.

Now? It's 7.0. That's completely unacceptable and on COACHING.
Nope  
JonC : 1/7/2022 2:31 pm : link
Awful contract, which I've talked about before. When he's playing well maybe he's in the 12-15 range. But, he's really only put one strong season up, the rest has been disappearing for stretches, injuries, and feuding with his first team. NYG was bidding against themselves for his services.
2019  
cosmicj : 1/7/2022 2:34 pm : link
So Stafford went down week 8 and didn’t play afterwards.

After that injury, Golladay had 1 game over 72 yards. In that 1 game, he caught a 75 yard TD pass. The rest of those post-Stafford games were unremarkable.

In 2020, he did have two big games - against the Allergic-to-defense Falcons and the Jags in the middle of a 15-game winning streak.

I’m not saying Golladay sucks. He is a competent WR who had a break out year playing with an outstanding vet QB just hitting his stride. The Giants then paid him like a star.
RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15534378 Go Terps said:
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I'd think you'd have to try hard first before becoming a top 5 NFL WR.

The Giants have played 16 games. Golladay is at 34/499/0.

That is stupefying.

For fun, the Golladay signing thread is below. Link - ( New Window )


Always enjoy going down memory lane on BBI. This may be my favorite post in that Golladay signing thread...


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No two ways about it...
Brown_Hornet : 3/20/2021 3:54 pm : link
... The combination of Dave Gettleman and Joe judge appears to be outstanding.

Haters gonna hate...
... but the facts are what they are.
Top 5 in the NFC East?  
santacruzom : 1/7/2022 2:35 pm : link
Maybe, but doubtful.
We’re two years removed from 2019  
giantBCP : 1/7/2022 2:36 pm : link
He missed 11 games last season with a hip injury and has looked like trash this season.
can't evaluate the player until he has  
Producer : 1/7/2022 2:38 pm : link
a real QB.
He got  
Toth029 : 1/7/2022 2:39 pm : link
A contract like Tyler Lockett did and he's a better player than Lockett.

Get him a definite OC who isn't a dipshit and QB's who can throw, and we'll see.
We saw KG with Stafford  
JonC : 1/7/2022 2:42 pm : link
He's unlikely to have a better QB with NYG before his contract needs to go. He was overpaid by a large margin, and so was Lockett.
Kenny G is to Daniel Jones  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 2:44 pm : link

as

Nate Solder was to Eli Manning
.  
Banks : 1/7/2022 2:45 pm : link
As many stated, just no. I dont think that was the expectation. When Godwin was tagged I was deflated. I like Robinson, but that dude has taken many hits. Playing with a string of incompetent passers his whole career will do that. Anyhow, bears tagged him.

Golladay was the only option left and he got paid because of that. Hes better than his numbers, but he's in a terrible situation. His best qb looks below average and his OL gives him no time on his routes. Throw in poor coaching and you get the shitty production he has. If Judge and Jones are back I expect more of the same.
he's a good player  
djm : 1/7/2022 2:54 pm : link
that got hurt and when he was playing was in a dysfunctional offense.


Staying awake at night worrying about his contract is folly. He's here. He's going to get another shot and should be a viable WR if the offense can remove head from ass.
RE: Kenny G is to Daniel Jones  
djm : 1/7/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15534554 Dnew15 said:
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as

Nate Solder was to Eli Manning


Yeah ok.

IT's actually the other way around.
Bust potential  
jeff57 : 1/7/2022 3:03 pm : link
Yes.
RE: RE: Kenny G is to Daniel Jones  
Dnew15 : 1/7/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15534587 djm said:
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In comment 15534554 Dnew15 said:


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as

Nate Solder was to Eli Manning



Yeah ok.

IT's actually the other way around.


You are 100% correct.
My bad :)
RE: RE: Mike Thomas from Saints is one of the top 5 paid  
ZogZerg : 1/7/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15534401 Section331 said:
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In comment 15534395 ZogZerg said:


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WRs - how is that working out?
Odell was overpaid, Robinson from Chicago is over paid. How did brown workout for Raiders? Julio Jones worth the draft capitol and money?

That's the problem when you don't draft well. You overpay for guys that should be a #1.

It's all over the league. Not just Giants.
And when some of these guys get paid they turn into major divas.



Thomas is hurt, and it's hard to say that NO didn't draft well when they drafted him. Then it comes down to do you pay a guy on his second contract? NO would have been vilified for letting Thomas go, and rightly so.


KG has been hurt. Thomas has been more than hurt after signing his big deal. Of course NO drafted very well with Thomas, just like the Giants did with OBJ. Both turned out to be disasters after getting paid. Folks always forget that football is a team game. Just because a player does great doesn't mean he will on another team. Coaching and supporting staff are key. The Giants coaching sucks.

That's the risk teams pay by not drafting well and over paying FAs. Look at what Seattle paid to get the Jets safety. What a huge fail that trade was. Just because FAs are paid big money - top 5 - doesn't mean they are top 5. Wait till after this off season. There are a number of WRs that will make more than KG and be in the top 5 paid, who aren't actually top 5.

BTW, how much does Rogers make? Pretty sure he is not top 5, but is working on his 2nd MVP in a row.
I'm done with Golladay.  
PakistanPete : 1/7/2022 3:18 pm : link
He checked out early.

And I'm not some master of breaking down film, but you can see him checking out on plays early.

And if I can see it, guys who actually get paid to do it certainly can.
RE: I'm done with Golladay.  
Go Terps : 1/7/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15534655 PakistanPete said:
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He checked out early.

And I'm not some master of breaking down film, but you can see him checking out on plays early.

And if I can see it, guys who actually get paid to do it certainly can.


He checked out in Detroit in 2020. Apparently the people paid to see it couldn't see it.
RE: A motivated Kenny G in a good offense can be really good  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15534400 AdamBrag said:
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It's clear he's packed it in right now. The offense was also a mess and didn't scheme things for him.

Is he good enough to line up against any corner and be dominant one on one running any route? It doesn't look like it. Who is though?

I think it's important to realize what a top-5 WR looks like in today's NFL.

One of the things that tends to be an issue for Giants fans, particularly those who don't watch other teams, is that the way the game is evolving vs. the nostalgia of prior championship eras.

The recipe has changed. Full stop.
Is Golladay's agent the same...  
bw in dc : 1/7/2022 3:38 pm : link
as LW's? Because both did a great job of taking Gettleman to the cleaners.

I believe, too, our great HC came in to close the deal on Golladay. Judge was all in. Just another reminder of how "multiple" Judge is...
I think O'Brien was in there too  
JonC : 1/7/2022 3:40 pm : link
with his NFCC ties, and the signings stunk.
s/b  
JonC : 1/7/2022 3:40 pm : link
NFCN
RE: Is Golladay's agent the same...  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15534700 bw in dc said:
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as LW's? Because both did a great job of taking Gettleman to the cleaners.

I believe, too, our great HC came in to close the deal on Golladay. Judge was all in. Just another reminder of how "multiple" Judge is...

Both knew Gettleman was flashing his highbeams looking for action and their pimps charged full price.
RE: Is Golladay's agent the same...  
djm : 1/7/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15534700 bw in dc said:
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as LW's? Because both did a great job of taking Gettleman to the cleaners.

I believe, too, our great HC came in to close the deal on Golladay. Judge was all in. Just another reminder of how "multiple" Judge is...


Williams deserves every penny. Also, you and many others continuously ignore how teams in the NY/NJ area usually have to overpay FAs because cost of living and all that crap.

DG sucks. I don't care. But this is old.

Guy produced for one of the worst teams in the NFL  
Metnut : 1/7/2022 4:01 pm : link
for years and then comes here and stinks. Maybe get a competent coaching staff here before we write him off as finished.
RE: I guess I can back into this  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15534432 Biteymax22 said:
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Can I name 5 better receivers:

Kupp
Jefferson
Chase
Metcalf
AJ Brown
Hopkins
A. Cooper
McClaurin
Lamb
Samuels


I can keep going but at this point I'm just going to have to go with no. Unless something drastically changes I don't see him making the 3rd year of his contract, especially with the GM that made the deal retiring Monday.


Any list of top WR's has to have Devonte Adams on it. I get that he has Rodgers throwing to him, but he is special. I'd add AJ Green too.
RE: RE: I'm done with Golladay.  
Section331 : 1/7/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15534684 Go Terps said:
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He checked out in Detroit in 2020. Apparently the people paid to see it couldn't see it.


Especially when the Detroit coaches weren't very subtle about it. They basically called him a quitter.
RE: RE: Is Golladay's agent the same...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/7/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15534736 djm said:
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In comment 15534700 bw in dc said:


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as LW's? Because both did a great job of taking Gettleman to the cleaners.

I believe, too, our great HC came in to close the deal on Golladay. Judge was all in. Just another reminder of how "multiple" Judge is...



Williams deserves every penny. Also, you and many others continuously ignore how teams in the NY/NJ area usually have to overpay FAs because cost of living and all that crap.

DG sucks. I don't care. But this is old.


Cost of living adjustment?

That is what Gettleman and Team Williams couldn't come eye-to-eye on from Nov 2019 until March 2021?

oh, how I do love some of your posts...

Nope.  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 1/7/2022 5:09 pm : link
He's a low-mid tier #1 receiver, nothing exciting except his size.
He could be a top 5 fantasy WR  
Jerry in_DC : 1/7/2022 5:13 pm : link
in the right situation. I don't see him with top 5 real ability, but I do think he could be an OK #1 receiver.

Switch him with D Adams or Diggs or Hopkins - he'd put up real good #s even if might not be as good as some of them
Terps point about Jones not being a good fit for KG  
adamg : 1/7/2022 8:34 pm : link
Is the biggest thing. Jones doesn't know how to use him. That fucks the whole situation up.

Might as well keep KG around so the next QB has a big target.
I like and agree with a lot of your posts  
eric2425ny : 1/7/2022 10:14 pm : link
Christian but I’m not sure about this one for a few reasons:

1.) Player salaries rise every year so this “top 5” salary for KG is very short lived.

2.) The Giants offensive line is absolute trash. Golladay is a deep threat 50/50 ball type receiver. He’s not a slot guy who is going to catch a bunch of WR screens and have huge YAC numbers. He needs a line to give him more than 2 seconds to get downfield.

3.) QB play is clearly an issue. With a competent QB in Detroit Golladay was a terrific player.

It’s fun to dump on players that have had a down season for some I guess, but I’m not going to crap on Golladay for this season. I remember him saying this offense is going to get off to a slow start before week 1. I honestly don’t think I have heard a player joining a new team say that as adamantly as Golladay did. And this was before the Lemieux and Gates injuries. I found that pretty telling. He clearly knew that our line was garbage and probably felt the same way about Jones. Not to mention Garrett’s playbook.
 
christian : 1/7/2022 11:25 pm : link
Eric, I wasn’t intending on knocking Golladay. Before this year I could probably count on one hand the number of times I’d seen him play. When rumors started swirling last year the Giants were interested, I was surprised to see how well he had performed in 2019.

The market will certainly add a few more 20M guys each year, but it’s still a pretty small group. And when you look at the other guys in that band, I’m not sure Golladay fits.
Golladay isn't a separation guy  
JesseS : 1/8/2022 12:10 am : link
blew my mind when they signed him, considering we already had guys that got minimal separation. It's no less baffling now than it was then.
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