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Farewell to these players, Sunday is their last as Giants

No Where Man : 1/8/2022 9:09 am
Engram
Rudolph
Peppers
Glennon
Fromm
Hernandez
Solder
Martin
Kelly
Shepherd
Sills
Ebner
Ximones
Ragland
Dixon

Who else did I miss?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 9:53 am : link
I will volunteer to drive EE to EWR if need be.
Can’t possibly see them resigning Engram as a FA  
BillT : 1/8/2022 9:54 am : link
Five years of this guy reminding us all of another failed first round pick. That and how tight we are cap wise. Peppers is another FA. How much can we afford for a guy who is in recovery from an ACL.
Engram and Peppers will be gone  
Giantimistic : 1/8/2022 9:54 am : link
Not because the Giants don't want them back. They will be overpaid by another team.

Peppers is better in my opinion and in some ways similar to Landon Collins. That is the contract he will be looking for and more. I like Peppers and would like him back but not for that money. Pay Love and move on.

Engram I do not want back, but there will be one team that gives him more money than the Giants can. I could easily seem him become a Saint.
I was high on Hernandez after his rookie year...  
bLiTz 2k : 1/8/2022 9:59 am : link
thought he'd continue to get better, but has gotten worse every year since drafted...probably my biggest disappointment on that list.

The Giants really need to find 4 starters on that OL this off-season, as well as upgrade the depth and find a swing tackle....with no money.

What a mess.
RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
Jeffrey : 1/8/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15535446 Giantimistic said:
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Not because the Giants don't want them back. They will be overpaid by another team.

Peppers is better in my opinion and in some ways similar to Landon Collins. That is the contract he will be looking for and more. I like Peppers and would like him back but not for that money. Pay Love and move on.

Engram I do not want back, but there will be one team that gives him more money than the Giants can. I could easily seem him become a Saint.


And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.
RE: It really depends if Judge is back  
Jacobs_27 : 1/8/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15535394 ZogZerg said:
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He likes Peppers a lot.
He seems to like Engram to.


Uhmm.....we don't have any cap space to sign anyone. Even if Judge wanted to bring these guys back we absolutely don't have the money to do so. We probably have the worst cap situation in the league (in addition to the worst roster....thanks Dave!!!!)
Not a good list at all.  
NYGgolfer : 1/8/2022 10:04 am : link
If Fromm has a decent game tomorrow, albeit unlikely, he might be the only name I would suggest keeping.
Please show some love to Shep  
Festina Lente : 1/8/2022 10:06 am : link
He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best
I wonder where Glennon will go?  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:13 am : link
Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.
RE: Please show some love to Shep  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15535465 Festina Lente said:
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He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best


Shep should have been cut like 3 years ago.
RE: Please show some love to Shep  
Pepe LePugh : 1/8/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15535465 Festina Lente said:
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He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best

100%. I was hoping he’d retire 2 years ago after the concussions. Add in the Achilles and his contract, and the cap situation, and I can’t see him back. But I always appreciated his contributions.
This Fromm love around here  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:20 am : link
is really mind boggling. He is basically an arena football league QB but, leave it to BBI dreamers to make him some hidden Gem Joe Montana that 30 plus scouting departments missed ....
RE: I wonder where Glennon will go?  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 10:32 am : link
In comment 15535473 Debaser said:
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Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.

Mrs. Glennon, my advice to you would be to get out of your dead end marriage. Your husband will be unemployed in a week so it’s probably in your best interest to start looking for a less horrific QB to help support you and your habits. Maybe reach out to Joe Flacco on social media? I know you’ve posted about your crush on him and his “skills” this season. Good luck, it’s time to warm up that money maker!
RE: some more  
ColHowPepper : 1/8/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15535421 shyster said:
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Danny Shelton
John Ross
Billy Price
Levine Toilolo

Rudolph's restructure was very small, probably a short term payroll move. He is still a potential $5M cap savings and should be gone.
Agree, shyster these names are near top of the list, brings the total to close to 40% of the 53 man roster. Giants setting records with three complete tear downs/rebuilds in five years. Hard to be so bad.
None of them will be missed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2022 10:37 am : link
All of them are some combination of a terrible signing, terrible pick, and/or terrible contract.

Good riddance.
Carter may gone too  
OlyWABigBlue : 1/8/2022 10:38 am : link
depends on dollars or just wanting out of dodge
RE: RE: I wonder where Glennon will go?  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15535494 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535473 Debaser said:


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Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.


Mrs. Glennon, my advice to you would be to get out of your dead end marriage. Your husband will be unemployed in a week so it’s probably in your best interest to start looking for a less horrific QB to help support you and your habits. Maybe reach out to Joe Flacco on social media? I know you’ve posted about your crush on him and his “skills” this season. Good luck, it’s time to warm up that money maker!


I said he kinda sucks. My guess is no one actually seen Glennon play a snap before he was here and have no idea what he can and can't do. Why are stinkers like Jones and Barkley getting a pass though is what I can't comprehend. Just dreamers dreaming I guess....
Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
cosmicj : 1/8/2022 10:49 am : link
“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word
RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
ColHowPepper : 1/8/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15535458 Jeffrey said:
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And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.
Sad but true, been saying this about Engram for years, but they insist on him trying to set the edge in the run game.

Also notice that for years now most of his drops/deflections (for pics) are in traffic, crossing patterns. He makes his best catches on the outside, along the boundary (feels less anxious, able to concentrate more?)
Sad to say  
varco : 1/8/2022 10:51 am : link
The list really speaks to the lack of talent on the roster. Expect to see a lot of turnover and if it results in a better overall roster, then go for it. There will be a ton of opportunity for drafted players, UDFA's, etc. to earn spots in 2022. If the Giants can't do better than Glennon / Fromm at backup QB, it would not be a good sign.
RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:
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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word

I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?
Any player that doesn't impact the cap  
Dave on the UWS : 1/8/2022 11:06 am : link
negatively, should be gone. Period. Virtually no one on this roster will help this team win. The only reason to keep anyone is because of a cap hit, since we have ZERO room going into the next league year.
I think that is an accurate list  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:12 am : link
Cater may be gone - nature of FA is to overpay.


I'm thinking Rudolph may stick around
Engram  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:14 am : link
is gone, gone, gone. He may do better elsewhere but he's not getting a payday here - too inconsistent
RE: RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15535529 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:


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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word


I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?


My guess is another team will pick him up for like another 1 year deal. Either that or he'll like one of these guys on who does occasional commentary on espn.
RE: RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15535529 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:


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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word


I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?


it is also kind of strange to label a professional athlete who has been playing for 9 years in the NFL and is already in retirement age after being a multi millionaire as "unemployed". Your implication is like he is a middle class guy who got fired from his job and can no longer support his wife on a sustenance level. And you use this hyperbole wife thing a lot btw. you need some new material man.
doubt he'll be picked up  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:21 am : link
probably retire to his couch unless someone gets really, really desperate next season
RE: …  
MattyKid : 1/8/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15535418 ryanmkeane said:
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I still cannot believe that Solder has started on this OL for the last 2 seasons.


Solder did not play last season
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Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15535573 bc4life said:
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probably retire to his couch unless someone gets really, really desperate next season


Glennon was and I am sure still is what Glennon is; a decent back-up whose arm strength enables teams to keep most of their playbook open that would otherwise be shut to many back ups who lack NFL thowing ability. 3 garbage time games on one of the worst teams in the NFL if not the worst isn't going to change anyone except BBIer s looking for someone to blame since Garrett got fired.
I've seen Glennon play many of times before  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:44 am : link
He just looked like a different guy these last three games. I wonder if he ever got over that concussion.
I think Rudolph  
eric2425ny : 1/8/2022 11:44 am : link
will be back. And I think Ximines has one more year on his deal. He’s inexpensive so they’ll probably bring him to camp at least.
and to be fair  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:45 am : link
no one is going to look too good behind the present Oline
Carter  
UGADawgs7 : 1/8/2022 11:52 am : link
I hope he is back.
The Giants don't have the money to pay Peppers...  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/8/2022 11:57 am : link
...and the defense pretty much stunk while he was on the field because he is such a liability in coverage.
It baffles me as to how the Giants have a roster  
GeofromNJ : 1/8/2022 12:02 pm : link
of marginal players, yet are always at or very near the salary cap. Either pay less or sign better players. Jeez!
RE: It baffles me as to how the Giants have a roster  
Joe Beckwith : 1/8/2022 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15535621 GeofromNJ said:
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of marginal players, yet are always at or very near the salary cap. Either pay less or sign better players. Jeez!


Inadequate ( A failure of a) Front Office.
Eg. the game plan: run the ball, stop the run, play good defense.
The last one was the closest to accomplishing the game plan.
Tiki was right about the organization disconnect.
The insane thing is that we need those guys.  
Jerry in_DC : 1/8/2022 12:41 pm : link
Or some guys. We have starters leaving and no cap space to replace them. If we want to field a remotely competitive team next year we're going to end up torching 23 cap space.
If Judge returns expect him to keep his guys,  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 1/8/2022 1:07 pm : link
The ones he includes in his “process”. Players he’s invested two years developing, and setting a foundation with. If he’s fortunate enough to get a third or fourth year to complete his rebuild I doubt he’s going to gut his roster. It’ll be interesting to see the churn at the bottom of the roster and practice squad to see who they give up on, and who may be ready to finally contribute.

They will finagle the cap to keep whoever they want, and count on improved health and development, plus a nice influx of talent from the draft. Maybe they even surprise us and find some cash for a free agent or few.

The new GM will hopefully contribute to better talent evaluation and work with JJ to achieve their shared vision sooner rather than later. But I really don’t see a complete tear down this off season.
Some Names that Should Go  
Bruner4329 : 1/8/2022 1:11 pm : link
Not thrilled with any of the Linebackers. Other than Martinez none of them really would be missed even Crowder. He probably can be a backup but he is not an NFL starter. I actually think the best LB on the current active roster is Smith even with a bad leg.
RE: RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
Festina Lente : 1/8/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15535520 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15535458 Jeffrey said:


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And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.

Sad but true, been saying this about Engram for years, but they insist on him trying to set the edge in the run game.

Also notice that for years now most of his drops/deflections (for pics) are in traffic, crossing patterns. He makes his best catches on the outside, along the boundary (feels less anxious, able to concentrate more?)


I agree with these observations. I always said that I think Engram would flower with a more creative offensive team that knew how to use him properly. Don't get me wrong, he is very culpable but I think a better coach would know how to optimize his talents. I imagine him on a team like NO etc and I think he'd be a different player.
For the right price  
morrison40 : 1/8/2022 2:02 pm : link
I’d consider Engram and Peppers, Judge seems to like them .
Engram no  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 2:06 pm : link
I used to think his problem was jones and to a degree I still think it is. I think Jones is just terrible at timing , anticipation, and holding the ball too long and just throws late all the time screwing up the timing . Abd that is true and I think it contributes to Engram bad play but, sure enough he was doing that with Glennon too.

Mahomes is not making a star out of some guy who just drops too many passes.
There is not a lot or wiggle room under the 2022 salary cap  
Beer Man : 1/8/2022 3:09 pm : link
So I don't see any of the bigger names (like Engram and Peppers) being signed, as for the others I might keep Fromm as a cheap backup QB, but the only player I would like to see return is Jaylon Smith.
Have to love definitive comments  
Brandon Walsh : 1/8/2022 3:24 pm : link
About a guys future when at the minimum there will be a new front office and maybe even a new coaching staff. Totally new people making these decisions.

Whose to say the new front office / coaching staff would absolutely love Engram ?
RE: Have to love definitive comments  
Brandon Walsh : 1/8/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15535903 Brandon Walsh said:
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About a guys future when at the minimum there will be a new front office and maybe even a new coaching staff. Totally new people making these decisions.

Whose to say the new front office / coaching staff would absolutely love Engram ?


Wouldn’t*
Rudolph and Martin will be back.  
BigBlueNH : 1/8/2022 3:37 pm : link
Martin is 1 of only 6 OL under contract for next year, at small $. Otherwise, list looks accurate.
RE: The insane thing is that we need those guys.  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15535678 Jerry in_DC said:
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Or some guys. We have starters leaving and no cap space to replace them. If we want to field a remotely competitive team next year we're going to end up torching 23 cap space.


Draft picks and UDFAs. Gotta get young and cheap.
RE: RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/8/2022 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15535458 Jeffrey said:
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In comment 15535446 Giantimistic said:


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Not because the Giants don't want them back. They will be overpaid by another team.

Peppers is better in my opinion and in some ways similar to Landon Collins. That is the contract he will be looking for and more. I like Peppers and would like him back but not for that money. Pay Love and move on.

Engram I do not want back, but there will be one team that gives him more money than the Giants can. I could easily seem him become a Saint.



And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.


Exactly. He’s a move TE, not an inline TE. He can be maddening but someone will see his potential and how he’s been misused while here and will throw money at him. He very well may produce, too.

Agree on SB.
Peppers will stay at the right price...  
EricJ : 1/8/2022 5:43 pm : link
again... at the right price.

He is also a special teams contributor and a good locker room guy. Would make a solid backup safety. Injuries happen and I think we would be fortunate to have Peppers fill in at that point.
RE: Peppers will stay at the right price...  
Ivan15 : 1/9/2022 8:33 am : link
In comment 15536105 EricJ said:
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again... at the right price.

He is also a special teams contributor and a good locker room guy. Would make a solid backup safety. Injuries happen and I think we would be fortunate to have Peppers fill in at that point.


Exactly. For most of you, if your job depended upon performance compared to salary, most of you would be out of a job.

Expiring contracts are an opportunity to evaluate and replace, but you don’t get rid of guys who are playing in line with or above their pay grade.

There are a lot of jags on the Giants, just like on every other team. The challenge is to pay them for their actual performance-not for the performance you hope to see. And you don’t get rid of guys just because they are jags, because you have to pay their replacements more just to get them on the team.
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