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Farewell to these players, Sunday is their last as Giants

No Where Man : 1/8/2022 9:09 am
Engram
Rudolph
Peppers
Glennon
Fromm
Hernandez
Solder
Martin
Kelly
Shepherd
Sills
Ebner
Ximones
Ragland
Dixon

Who else did I miss?
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Lots of future all pros there  
The_Boss : 1/8/2022 9:11 am : link
How are we gonna replace all that talent?
Engram  
Joey from GlenCove : 1/8/2022 9:15 am : link
i think hes back.

they need bodies and i dont think he had an awful year.... not good of course but wasnt awful
Funny  
Mark from Jersey : 1/8/2022 9:15 am : link
yet sad.
Peppers will be back and Sills will be re-signed ...  
Spider56 : 1/8/2022 9:20 am : link
If only because he’s DJs best training partner in the offseason.
Rudolph signed a 2 year contract  
Rjanyg : 1/8/2022 9:23 am : link
And restructured. I think he is back and is actually worth keeping.
That’s one sorry list of bums.  
Silver Spoon : 1/8/2022 9:24 am : link
No wonder why this team sucks balls.
RE: Rudolph signed a 2 year contract  
FStubbs : 1/8/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15535382 Rjanyg said:
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And restructured. I think he is back and is actually worth keeping.


Tim McDonnell apparently signed Rudolph, he's going nowhere sadly.

I think Fromm depending on how he does today has a chance to at least be invited back to training camp.
It really depends if Judge is back  
ZogZerg : 1/8/2022 9:31 am : link
He likes Peppers a lot.
He seems to like Engram to.

LOL  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2022 9:32 am : link
There is no chance Peppers and Engram are coming back.
Once a Giant always a Giant  
GiantsFan42 : 1/8/2022 9:33 am : link
Thank you for your service to the Giants
RE: It really depends if Judge is back  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15535394 ZogZerg said:
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He likes Peppers a lot.
He seems to like Engram to.


Engram has seen reduced snaps lately and been embarrassingly bad on blocking assignments when asked to help the OL last two weeks. Peppers had serious injury for how he plays, and Giants have plenty of safeties to move around now.

Neither player is taking a vet minimum contract which is all the Giants can afford.

Judge should be fired anyway.
 
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2022 9:38 am : link
I still cannot believe that Solder has started on this OL for the last 2 seasons.
Here’s the list  
Pepe LePugh : 1/8/2022 9:39 am : link
https://overthecap.com/free-agency/
The ERFAs on the list will be back. None of the RFA are worth the minimum $2.4 M tender. Of the UFA, Johnson is the only one I would try to bring back.
The only pre-camp cuts I see for sure are Dixon and Ximenes. Shep also but hopefully he retires.
some more  
shyster : 1/8/2022 9:39 am : link
Danny Shelton
John Ross
Billy Price
Levine Toilolo

Rudolph's restructure was very small, probably a short term payroll move. He is still a potential $5M cap savings and should be gone.
RE: Here’s the list  
Pepe LePugh : 1/8/2022 9:40 am : link
In comment 15535420 Pepe LePugh said:
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https://overthecap.com/free-agency/
The ERFAs on the list will be back. None of the RFA are worth the minimum $2.4 M tender. Of the UFA, Johnson is the only one I would try to bring back.
The only pre-camp cuts I see for sure are Dixon and Ximenes. Shep also but hopefully he retires.

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RE: …  
pjcas18 : 1/8/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15535418 ryanmkeane said:
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I still cannot believe that Solder has started on this OL for the last 2 seasons.


Didn't Solder opt out last year? Maybe had the same results as if he had played.
Rudolph only saves 2.5 Million on the cap  
arniefez : 1/8/2022 9:46 am : link
because cutting his 5 million creates 2.5 million in dead money. Rudolph should be a good litmus test to see how much authority a new GM has in his first year (which IMO is probably the most he'll ever have). If he's on the team next year, it's meet the new GM same as the old GM (the Mara family).
Rudolph is Back  
M.S. : 1/8/2022 9:48 am : link

You can depend upon it.

Possibly Engram as well.
Is Engram the longest lasting Giant?  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 9:50 am : link
He is the only Giant I believe that has survived the Gettleman era as a Reece pick right?

What colossal F up Gettlman has been He jettisoned all these gus and for what?
RE: Rudolph only saves 2.5 Million on the cap  
shyster : 1/8/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15535434 arniefez said:
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because cutting his 5 million creates 2.5 million in dead money. Rudolph should be a good litmus test to see how much authority a new GM has in his first year (which IMO is probably the most he'll ever have). If he's on the team next year, it's meet the new GM same as the old GM (the Mara family).


Rudolph is a 7.4M live cap hit and 2.4M dead cap hit.

Cutting his $5M salary saves $5M cash and against the cap.
RE: Is Engram the longest lasting Giant?  
Angel Eyes : 1/8/2022 9:52 am : link
In comment 15535437 Debaser said:
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He is the only Giant I believe that has survived the Gettleman era as a Reece pick right?

What colossal F up Gettlman has been He jettisoned all these gus and for what?

Shepard was drafted a year before Engram.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 9:53 am : link
I will volunteer to drive EE to EWR if need be.
Can’t possibly see them resigning Engram as a FA  
BillT : 1/8/2022 9:54 am : link
Five years of this guy reminding us all of another failed first round pick. That and how tight we are cap wise. Peppers is another FA. How much can we afford for a guy who is in recovery from an ACL.
Engram and Peppers will be gone  
Giantimistic : 1/8/2022 9:54 am : link
Not because the Giants don't want them back. They will be overpaid by another team.

Peppers is better in my opinion and in some ways similar to Landon Collins. That is the contract he will be looking for and more. I like Peppers and would like him back but not for that money. Pay Love and move on.

Engram I do not want back, but there will be one team that gives him more money than the Giants can. I could easily seem him become a Saint.
I was high on Hernandez after his rookie year...  
bLiTz 2k : 1/8/2022 9:59 am : link
thought he'd continue to get better, but has gotten worse every year since drafted...probably my biggest disappointment on that list.

The Giants really need to find 4 starters on that OL this off-season, as well as upgrade the depth and find a swing tackle....with no money.

What a mess.
RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
Jeffrey : 1/8/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15535446 Giantimistic said:
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Not because the Giants don't want them back. They will be overpaid by another team.

Peppers is better in my opinion and in some ways similar to Landon Collins. That is the contract he will be looking for and more. I like Peppers and would like him back but not for that money. Pay Love and move on.

Engram I do not want back, but there will be one team that gives him more money than the Giants can. I could easily seem him become a Saint.


And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.
RE: It really depends if Judge is back  
Jacobs_27 : 1/8/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15535394 ZogZerg said:
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He likes Peppers a lot.
He seems to like Engram to.


Uhmm.....we don't have any cap space to sign anyone. Even if Judge wanted to bring these guys back we absolutely don't have the money to do so. We probably have the worst cap situation in the league (in addition to the worst roster....thanks Dave!!!!)
Not a good list at all.  
NYGgolfer : 1/8/2022 10:04 am : link
If Fromm has a decent game tomorrow, albeit unlikely, he might be the only name I would suggest keeping.
Please show some love to Shep  
Festina Lente : 1/8/2022 10:06 am : link
He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best
I wonder where Glennon will go?  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:13 am : link
Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.
RE: Please show some love to Shep  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15535465 Festina Lente said:
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He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best


Shep should have been cut like 3 years ago.
RE: Please show some love to Shep  
Pepe LePugh : 1/8/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15535465 Festina Lente said:
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He had always been a consistently good wr especially in the slot and put his body on the line with some awful throws over the years. Don't know what still happen but I Wish the guy the best

100%. I was hoping he’d retire 2 years ago after the concussions. Add in the Achilles and his contract, and the cap situation, and I can’t see him back. But I always appreciated his contributions.
This Fromm love around here  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:20 am : link
is really mind boggling. He is basically an arena football league QB but, leave it to BBI dreamers to make him some hidden Gem Joe Montana that 30 plus scouting departments missed ....
RE: I wonder where Glennon will go?  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 10:32 am : link
In comment 15535473 Debaser said:
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Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.

Mrs. Glennon, my advice to you would be to get out of your dead end marriage. Your husband will be unemployed in a week so it’s probably in your best interest to start looking for a less horrific QB to help support you and your habits. Maybe reach out to Joe Flacco on social media? I know you’ve posted about your crush on him and his “skills” this season. Good luck, it’s time to warm up that money maker!
RE: some more  
ColHowPepper : 1/8/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15535421 shyster said:
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Danny Shelton
John Ross
Billy Price
Levine Toilolo

Rudolph's restructure was very small, probably a short term payroll move. He is still a potential $5M cap savings and should be gone.
Agree, shyster these names are near top of the list, brings the total to close to 40% of the 53 man roster. Giants setting records with three complete tear downs/rebuilds in five years. Hard to be so bad.
None of them will be missed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2022 10:37 am : link
All of them are some combination of a terrible signing, terrible pick, and/or terrible contract.

Good riddance.
Carter may gone too  
OlyWABigBlue : 1/8/2022 10:38 am : link
depends on dollars or just wanting out of dodge
RE: RE: I wonder where Glennon will go?  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15535494 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535473 Debaser said:


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Maybe 9 years in the NFL is long enough especially considering the year he had and he got hurt from the line bad play. Kinda pathetic he is my favorite Giant and he kinda sucks.


Mrs. Glennon, my advice to you would be to get out of your dead end marriage. Your husband will be unemployed in a week so it’s probably in your best interest to start looking for a less horrific QB to help support you and your habits. Maybe reach out to Joe Flacco on social media? I know you’ve posted about your crush on him and his “skills” this season. Good luck, it’s time to warm up that money maker!


I said he kinda sucks. My guess is no one actually seen Glennon play a snap before he was here and have no idea what he can and can't do. Why are stinkers like Jones and Barkley getting a pass though is what I can't comprehend. Just dreamers dreaming I guess....
Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
cosmicj : 1/8/2022 10:49 am : link
“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word
RE: Engram and Peppers will be gone  
ColHowPepper : 1/8/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15535458 Jeffrey said:
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And with a coach that knows how to use Engram he will be a very competent player. He is a large WR, not a TE. His drops have improved considerably and he is not someone who should be blocking in the run game. Giant fans need scapegoats and with Engram off the team someone else will emerge as the reason for the inept offense, rather than an inconsistent and inaccurate QB, a horrible OL and terrible play calling. Barkley shows great potential to be the next object of the fans' anger and frustration.
Sad but true, been saying this about Engram for years, but they insist on him trying to set the edge in the run game.

Also notice that for years now most of his drops/deflections (for pics) are in traffic, crossing patterns. He makes his best catches on the outside, along the boundary (feels less anxious, able to concentrate more?)
Sad to say  
varco : 1/8/2022 10:51 am : link
The list really speaks to the lack of talent on the roster. Expect to see a lot of turnover and if it results in a better overall roster, then go for it. There will be a ton of opportunity for drafted players, UDFA's, etc. to earn spots in 2022. If the Giants can't do better than Glennon / Fromm at backup QB, it would not be a good sign.
RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:
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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word

I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?
Any player that doesn't impact the cap  
Dave on the UWS : 1/8/2022 11:06 am : link
negatively, should be gone. Period. Virtually no one on this roster will help this team win. The only reason to keep anyone is because of a cap hit, since we have ZERO room going into the next league year.
I think that is an accurate list  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:12 am : link
Cater may be gone - nature of FA is to overpay.


I'm thinking Rudolph may stick around
Engram  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:14 am : link
is gone, gone, gone. He may do better elsewhere but he's not getting a payday here - too inconsistent
RE: RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15535529 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:


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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word


I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?


My guess is another team will pick him up for like another 1 year deal. Either that or he'll like one of these guys on who does occasional commentary on espn.
RE: RE: Glennon has made over $30 million in his NFL career  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15535529 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535515 cosmicj said:


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“Unemployed” isn’t quite the right word


I’m trying to figure out how what he has made in the past means that if he’s jobless after this season he’s somehow not considered unemployed? Isn’t being jobless the exact definition of being unemployed?


it is also kind of strange to label a professional athlete who has been playing for 9 years in the NFL and is already in retirement age after being a multi millionaire as "unemployed". Your implication is like he is a middle class guy who got fired from his job and can no longer support his wife on a sustenance level. And you use this hyperbole wife thing a lot btw. you need some new material man.
doubt he'll be picked up  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 11:21 am : link
probably retire to his couch unless someone gets really, really desperate next season
RE: …  
MattyKid : 1/8/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15535418 ryanmkeane said:
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I still cannot believe that Solder has started on this OL for the last 2 seasons.


Solder did not play last season
B  
Debaser : 1/8/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15535573 bc4life said:
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probably retire to his couch unless someone gets really, really desperate next season


Glennon was and I am sure still is what Glennon is; a decent back-up whose arm strength enables teams to keep most of their playbook open that would otherwise be shut to many back ups who lack NFL thowing ability. 3 garbage time games on one of the worst teams in the NFL if not the worst isn't going to change anyone except BBIer s looking for someone to blame since Garrett got fired.
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