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could we please stop the constant denigration of all things

plato : 1/8/2022 12:56 pm
Giant. We are supposed to be Giant fans not blood enemies. We all know how you feel about the “worst in giant “ history from ownership, players, administration, medical staff , trainers etc. I do think you are entitled to your opinions there are however better and less mean spirited, if not less viscous ways of expressing yourselves. You are talking about and to fellow human beings, so some respect is required.

Most of you i think are too young to remember Wellington Mara as GM, or Andy Robustelli as GM, or Alex Webster as HC, or Steve Owens last days as head coach. When you to refer to current people as “worst in history” you really have no personal knowledge of Giant history by which to make that judgement.

Many of you have turned BBI, a great example of sports private enterprise, into a foul, gutter reading fan form. Just try to raise the level a bit, act like true giant fans who criticize without stooping into the gutter to do so.

Times are changing with our team, maybe we could change a bit too.
yeah, you'd think BBI stood for  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2022 1:02 pm : link
Blast, Berate and Insult :)
But criticism of this regime is certainly in order.
...  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 1:04 pm : link
“The mob believes everything it is told, provided only that it be repeated over and over. Provided too that its passions, hatreds, fears are catered to. Nor need one try to stay within the limits of plausibility: on the contrary, the grosser, the bigger, the cruder the lie, the more readily is it believed and followed. Nor is there any need to avoid contradictions: the mob never notices; needless to pretend to correlate what is said to some with what is said to others: each person or group believes only what he is told, not what anyone else is told; needless to strive for coherence: the mob has no memory; needless to pretend to any truth: the mob is radically incapable of perceiving it: the mob can never comprehend that its own interests are what is at stake.”
― Alexandre Koyré, Réflexions sur le mensonge
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Banks : 1/8/2022 1:07 pm : link
All good points, but I can't fault those that can't stand the misery. The team does seem lost and the keeping of Judge seems to signal more of the same in 2022.

I've been numb to the performance since mid season. I watch diligently, but the bad play doesn't affect me. I watch college and try to focus on what could be for the draft. I expect after this week is over draft threads will flood the place and things will be less miserable. If Judge gets fired, many might even be chipper
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15535704 dancing blue bear said:
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“The mob believes everything it is told, provided only that it be repeated over and over. Provided too that its passions, hatreds, fears are catered to. Nor need one try to stay within the limits of plausibility: on the contrary, the grosser, the bigger, the cruder the lie, the more readily is it believed and followed. Nor is there any need to avoid contradictions: the mob never notices; needless to pretend to correlate what is said to some with what is said to others: each person or group believes only what he is told, not what anyone else is told; needless to strive for coherence: the mob has no memory; needless to pretend to any truth: the mob is radically incapable of perceiving it: the mob can never comprehend that its own interests are what is at stake.”
― Alexandre Koyré, Réflexions sur le mensonge

This quote describes you and the Pom Pom wavers perfectly, so it’s hysterical you posted it to poke at the other side. It is YOU that simply believes everything it is told. Whatever the Giants, Mara, Judge etc tell you, you fall for it every time.

The rest of us have visual and data based evidence on our side. You have Judge telling you everything is great! So, the joke is on you my friend.
Your point about being  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/8/2022 1:10 pm : link
civil when being critical is fair. But the team stinking is one thing. The team stinking and ownership being too prideful and set in their ways to make any substantive changes makes it that much more maddening. And the cherry on top is what seems like a concerted effort by media members associated with the team to preach to the paying customers that “they don’t know what they’re taking about.”
Guys, this is a bad stretch but the 70's were worse.  
edavisiii : 1/8/2022 1:16 pm : link
This team reminds me of Parcells 1st year when injuries devastated the roster. Scott Brunner got hurt, Phil Simms right after that and we were down to 3rd string QB and a bunch of backups. "Fire the fatman" was the cry against Bill Parcells but you could see the talent level of the roster going up. They had a great draft in 1984 and things, all of a sudden, clicked.

The 1st 3 games hurt, a lot. We had the horses to be competitive. That's on the coaching staff. Then we had a better stretch that came crashing to a halt when DJ got hurt. Yes this team we have watched for 5 weeks is putrid. The offensive staff is well offensive.

We have 11 picks. It can be turned around with one draft and health. FIX THE OL!!!!!!! PLEASE!
Re "Could We Please Stop..."  
clatterbuck : 1/8/2022 1:20 pm : link
Wholeheartedly agree. Thank you.
No  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2022 1:22 pm : link
And I’m a Socrates guy myself, just for the record.
Fans are upset  
cokeduplt : 1/8/2022 1:22 pm : link
The team is and has been awful for a while. This is a place to vent. Maybe don’t take a message board personally. Everyone is frustrated rightfully so.
in b4  
bluefin : 1/8/2022 1:23 pm : link
bootlicking redcoat
RE: Guys, this is a bad stretch but the 70's were worse.  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15535717 edavisiii said:
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This team reminds me of Parcells 1st year when injuries devastated the roster. Scott Brunner got hurt, Phil Simms right after that and we were down to 3rd string QB and a bunch of backups. "Fire the fatman" was the cry against Bill Parcells but you could see the talent level of the roster going up. They had a great draft in 1984 and things, all of a sudden, clicked.

The 1st 3 games hurt, a lot. We had the horses to be competitive. That's on the coaching staff. Then we had a better stretch that came crashing to a halt when DJ got hurt. Yes this team we have watched for 5 weeks is putrid. The offensive staff is well offensive.

We have 11 picks. It can be turned around with one draft and health. FIX THE OL!!!!!!! PLEASE!


Sorry. I don’t agree. We don’t have a foundation. Only the propaganda speak that we do. Parcells had a good foundation and from Perkins efforts. It still took 2-3 years for those results.

Giants have problems all over offense not just with coaching but the roster itself.

This is a 2-3 year rebuild still after 2-3 years of failed rebuilding. So we have to rebuild the rebuild.
i've actually seen less of posters berating each other  
japanhead : 1/8/2022 1:24 pm : link
than in the recent past (except for that ryanmkeane guy, who deserves everything he gets, and who has trolled and harassed long-time posters like GoTerps relentlessly).

Ironically, the biggest berater and denigrater on the site was FMiC, and he was a rah-rah pom-poms kind of guy and since his self-imposed exile things have been a lot more civil overall.

you have the occasional dust-up, but most of the virtiol and nastiness has been reserved for judge, gettleman, mara and the rest of the front office.

all it is is venting.

your holier-than-thou "be best" post here kind of stinks of pomposity.
RE: ...  
Festina Lente : 1/8/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15535704 dancing blue bear said:
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“The mob believes everything it is told, provided only that it be repeated over and over. Provided too that its passions, hatreds, fears are catered to. Nor need one try to stay within the limits of plausibility: on the contrary, the grosser, the bigger, the cruder the lie, the more readily is it believed and followed. Nor is there any need to avoid contradictions: the mob never notices; needless to pretend to correlate what is said to some with what is said to others: each person or group believes only what he is told, not what anyone else is told; needless to strive for coherence: the mob has no memory; needless to pretend to any truth: the mob is radically incapable of perceiving it: the mob can never comprehend that its own interests are what is at stake.”
― Alexandre Koyré, Réflexions sur le mensonge
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Fascinating quote which I've never come across. Thank you. I believe it is a bit extreme in parts of is generalizations but there are some truths in it.
A few people have been  
Gman11 : 1/8/2022 1:26 pm : link
over the top, but I think most of us have become ambivalent. I know I've gotten so I really have no interest in following the off season. I don't care who they sign. I don't care who they draft. I don't care who they hire and fire. Just start winning some games next September. If they don't then I'll go play pickup soccer or pickleball or go bowling or really anything other than watch this crap again.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 1:32 pm : link
I don't see a ton of BBIers going after one another. It's more anger @ the clowns running this organization & that-IMO-is 100% justified after the garbage we've been subjected to this last decade.
 
christian : 1/8/2022 1:32 pm : link
I don’t think a lot of you would have survived BBI in the 90s.
I think what you are feeling it’s normally nice and  
NoGainDayne : 1/8/2022 1:38 pm : link
warm and cozy for anyone wishing to bootlick the organization. It’s gotten less easy and friendly to do it and most of the attack dogs from the team have wandered off. Sorry, as long as what you are doing is covering for and apologizing for horrible management, it’s not going to be a warm and cozy place for you.

Also is plato and platos the same? They talk very similarly
Its a 4-13 sandwich......  
thrunthrublue : 1/8/2022 1:39 pm : link
and we all have to take a bite out of it.........."We will play fast, we will play downhill, we will play aggressive. We will punch you in the nose for 60 minutes, we will play every play like it has a history and life of its own, with a relentless, competitive attitude. We will play fundamentally sound, we will not beat ourselves. That is our mission right here". Unfortunately, JJ did not deliver on ANY of his opening salvo of bullshit, which turned into a stinky monsoon of incompetence in every phase. DG is gone.......JJ should follow suit.
RE: RE: ...  
joeinpa : 1/8/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15535709 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535704 dancing blue bear said:


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“The mob believes everything it is told, provided only that it be repeated over and over. Provided too that its passions, hatreds, fears are catered to. Nor need one try to stay within the limits of plausibility: on the contrary, the grosser, the bigger, the cruder the lie, the more readily is it believed and followed. Nor is there any need to avoid contradictions: the mob never notices; needless to pretend to correlate what is said to some with what is said to others: each person or group believes only what he is told, not what anyone else is told; needless to strive for coherence: the mob has no memory; needless to pretend to any truth: the mob is radically incapable of perceiving it: the mob can never comprehend that its own interests are what is at stake.”
― Alexandre Koyré, Réflexions sur le mensonge


This quote describes you and the Pom Pom wavers perfectly, so it’s hysterical you posted it to poke at the other side. It is YOU that simply believes everything it is told. Whatever the Giants, Mara, Judge etc tell you, you fall for it every time.

The rest of us have visual and data based evidence on our side. You have Judge telling you everything is great! So, the joke is on you my friend.


I believe this quote is defining “mob mentality “ and not distinguishing between mobs.

Strange...  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 1:46 pm : link
because I think BBI is fairly united lately.

More and more are seeing the light and have reached, finally, a breaking point with this incompetent organization.

I say welcome aboard.
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Go Terps : 1/8/2022 1:49 pm : link
Some people could watch a plane fly into a mountain and be unable to admit the plane crashed.

The Giants are a disaster. Any other read on them is fiction.
Couldn't you just make a thread for positive things?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 1:53 pm : link
And not read the topics you don't want to see?
RE: Couldn't you just make a thread for positive things?  
NoGainDayne : 1/8/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15535783 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And not read the topics you don't want to see?


Lol what are they going to talk about?

“I love how long JJ’s press conferences are!!”
RE: Strange...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15535769 bw in dc said:
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because I think BBI is fairly united lately.

More and more are seeing the light and have reached, finally, a breaking point with this incompetent organization.

I say welcome aboard.


Yeah, I think the same...95%ish of us have concluded this organization is a trainwreck.
If you want to talk  
cokeduplt : 1/8/2022 1:58 pm : link
About positive things regarding the giants right now the conversation would be extremely short.
Why do you feel the need to infringe on speech?  
Producer : 1/8/2022 2:03 pm : link
I'm not a fan of personally attacking people, whether they are Giants or other board-members, but I choose to ignore it.

I think the OP is guilty of standing by while others unnecessarily smeared me with personal attacks when I was simply making a football point.

I think the OP is a selfish and narcissistic. Can we just go back to when *I liked it better*. Can't we have speech that *I approve of*. Please don't smear the Giants but you may smear others *as long as I am not offended*.

Why was it better before? Maybe it was because the Giants were winning and there weren't a lot of legitimate complaints.

Now there are a lot of legitimate complaints and people are pissed.

Again, I don't agree with smearing people with curses and epithets, but I'm an adult so I choose to ignore it.

You can do the same.
You Build a House  
Samiam : 1/8/2022 2:05 pm : link
You buy expensive furniture and appliances and the like but you did a terrible job on the foundation of the house. The house is sinking and all the money you spent is going down the drain because of the foundation. This may be an oversimplification but to me, the Giants OL is the foundation that undermines everything. With this shitty OL, we dont know if Jones can be an effective starter; I’m pretty sure he’s not a franchise QB but neither is Tannehill. The running game is bad to nonexistent. The pass blocking will not support deep patterns so the shiny toys aren’t there even when healthy. The defense suffers because we have an offense that can’t score TDs or control the clock and give the defense time to rest.

Now, there are other problems for sure but every team has problems. But, I thought the team screwed up big time by not improving the OL starters and depth before the season started and I don’t buy the Zack Fulton excuses or injury excuses. What happened this year was predictable. Fix the damn OL and see what happens. We won’t have a great OL next year; I’m fine with that. But we can’t have one that sucks like this because that is the crumbling foundation.
RE: yeah, you'd think BBI stood for  
River Mike : 1/8/2022 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15535703 Bill in UT said:
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Blast, Berate and Insult :)
But criticism of this regime is certainly in order.


Criticism is more than well warranted, but name calling, insults, over the top vitriol and intense pure hatred just sap the spirit right out ofthe website. Of course it's no secret that this is sadly just the way of the internet.
I understand the frustration  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2022 2:05 pm : link
but there has been a lot juvenile nonsense atound here recently. Grown men acting like children.
RE: You Build a House  
Producer : 1/8/2022 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15535798 Samiam said:
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You buy expensive furniture and appliances and the like but you did a terrible job on the foundation of the house. The house is sinking and all the money you spent is going down the drain because of the foundation. This may be an oversimplification but to me, the Giants OL is the foundation that undermines everything. With this shitty OL, we dont know if Jones can be an effective starter; I’m pretty sure he’s not a franchise QB but neither is Tannehill. The running game is bad to nonexistent. The pass blocking will not support deep patterns so the shiny toys aren’t there even when healthy. The defense suffers because we have an offense that can’t score TDs or control the clock and give the defense time to rest.

Now, there are other problems for sure but every team has problems. But, I thought the team screwed up big time by not improving the OL starters and depth before the season started and I don’t buy the Zack Fulton excuses or injury excuses. What happened this year was predictable. Fix the damn OL and see what happens. We won’t have a great OL next year; I’m fine with that. But we can’t have one that sucks like this because that is the crumbling foundation.


Well to many the foundational problem is the QB. So don't assume everybody is in agreement with you. The OL is bad, but the QB is a disaster. And every time someone says they *don't know about Jones* or they *can't evaluate Jones*. That's the evaluation. If he isn't great, he isn't good enough, even with this supporting cast.
I think the point is people are whining about the  
NoGainDayne : 1/8/2022 2:10 pm : link
“Juvenile nonsense” because it’s directed at people who are hopeless team loyalists with no grip on reality. It was fine to all of you when it was people who had valid doubts about the team getting personally attacked much worse than this to be honest
RE: I think the point is people are whining about the  
Producer : 1/8/2022 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15535806 NoGainDayne said:
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“Juvenile nonsense” because it’s directed at people who are hopeless team loyalists with no grip on reality. It was fine to all of you when it was people who had valid doubts about the team getting personally attacked much worse than this to be honest


Exactly. I didn't see Plato rush to my defense when I was called a *moron* for daring to say that great QBs are born with talent, not developed. So much vitriol was spewed at people for making banal points like that.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
BMac : 1/8/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15535766 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15535709 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 15535704 dancing blue bear said:


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“The mob believes everything it is told, provided only that it be repeated over and over. Provided too that its passions, hatreds, fears are catered to. Nor need one try to stay within the limits of plausibility: on the contrary, the grosser, the bigger, the cruder the lie, the more readily is it believed and followed. Nor is there any need to avoid contradictions: the mob never notices; needless to pretend to correlate what is said to some with what is said to others: each person or group believes only what he is told, not what anyone else is told; needless to strive for coherence: the mob has no memory; needless to pretend to any truth: the mob is radically incapable of perceiving it: the mob can never comprehend that its own interests are what is at stake.”
― Alexandre Koyré, Réflexions sur le mensonge


This quote describes you and the Pom Pom wavers perfectly, so it’s hysterical you posted it to poke at the other side. It is YOU that simply believes everything it is told. Whatever the Giants, Mara, Judge etc tell you, you fall for it every time.

The rest of us have visual and data based evidence on our side. You have Judge telling you everything is great! So, the joke is on you my friend.



I believe this quote is defining “mob mentality “ and not distinguishing between mobs.


Exactly correct on the definition. I've been looking for this book in an English edition (I know one was published in 1945), but without success.
BBI is a microcosm of modern society  
JonC : 1/8/2022 2:19 pm : link
polarized, angry, unable to understand the opposite viewpoint, demand instant gratification, lacking accurate big picture perspective, etc.

I just do my best to ignore it and the posters who constantly propel it.
RE: RE: Couldn't you just make a thread for positive things?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15535786 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15535783 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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And not read the topics you don't want to see?



Lol what are they going to talk about?

“I love how long JJ’s press conferences are!!”


I'm just saying you can opt out of "negative talk" any time you want. Look at the thread title and move on.
Plato is not the same as “Platos” also, the Socrates we think we know  
plato : 1/8/2022 2:21 pm : link
is probably “Plato”. I am not a bootlicker nor defender of an organization which has appeared to have lost its way or be fixed in its ways, even if unsuccessful.
I am a defender of free speech but i believe in a.public forum there is a standard of decency and respect that we owe each other, Eric, and yes Dave Gettleman and the Mara family. There is plenty to be unhappy about with the Giants (and lots of other things in the world) and to even be angry about. But it all can be expressed in a civil adult manner, even though we live in a culture that doesn’t necessarily value that.
RE: BBI is a microcosm of modern society  
Producer : 1/8/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15535816 JonC said:
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polarized, angry, unable to understand the opposite viewpoint, demand instant gratification, lacking accurate big picture perspective, etc.

I just do my best to ignore it and the posters who constantly propel it.


I respect your pov and agree with most of what you say, but the instant gratification observation needs a nuanced unpacking. Some think the Giants move at a glacial pace and reject the notion that NFL rebuilds in 2021 need to take 3 to 5 years.
I think it ends....  
kelly : 1/8/2022 2:24 pm : link
When the Mara's fall on their sword and apologize for their missteps and take the appropriate actions to correct what has gone wrong.

I think fans are very angry about not knowing how this organization is run and who is responsible for what.

Fans are frustrated and rightfully so. Ten years of futility.
Sammo 85...just said it reminded me. Yes, Perkins did help build  
edavisiii : 1/8/2022 2:24 pm : link
Just think we can improve dramatically with an OL and a passrusher. But, good point.
RE: Plato is not the same as “Platos” also, the Socrates we think we know  
Producer : 1/8/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15535820 plato said:
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is probably “Plato”. I am not a bootlicker nor defender of an organization which has appeared to have lost its way or be fixed in its ways, even if unsuccessful.
I am a defender of free speech but i believe in a.public forum there is a standard of decency and respect that we owe each other, Eric, and yes Dave Gettleman and the Mara family. There is plenty to be unhappy about with the Giants (and lots of other things in the world) and to even be angry about. But it all can be expressed in a civil adult manner, even though we live in a culture that doesn’t necessarily value that.


The problem when you police speech is that you wind up hurting people who are not out of line or don't have mal intent. It happens here often and they aren't policing that much. If it concerns you so much, you can ignore it, or remind posters that you understand their pov but could they not be so insulting.
RE: RE: yeah, you'd think BBI stood for  
Dennis : 1/8/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15535800 River Mike said:
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In comment 15535703 Bill in UT said:


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Blast, Berate and Insult :)
But criticism of this regime is certainly in order.



Criticism is more than well warranted, but name calling, insults, over the top vitriol and intense pure hatred just sap the spirit right out ofthe website. Of course it's no secret that this is sadly just the way of the internet.


+1. Totally agree.
Fans can be upset…  
Chris in Philly : 1/8/2022 2:31 pm : link
Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.
RE: RE: Couldn't you just make a thread for positive things?  
NoGainDayne : 1/8/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15535786 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15535783 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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And not read the topics you don't want to see?



Lol what are they going to talk about?

“I love how long JJ’s press conferences are!!”


I was joking. I totally agree, I opt out of threads based on title all the time
We have entered year 10  
Costy16 : 1/8/2022 2:42 pm : link
Of being a total laughingstock with a season that is over by Columbus Day.

The fans have every right to be as angry as they are. There is nothing redeeming about this franchise right now except for maybe Andrew Thomas.
This cry for class and kindness...  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 3:11 pm : link
towards millionaires who have failed at their jobs to provide an entertaining and successful product for their consumer base may be one of the dafter things I've seen at BBI on a long time.

Hey Jints Central. We appreciate your classiness, honesty and effort. Sure, results are important, but trying hard is more important to us.

Sincerely,
The Smartest and Classiest Fans in the NFL


PS - JFC

or this:  
arniefez : 1/8/2022 3:23 pm : link
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”


― George Orwell, 1984
People's patience is boiling over  
AcesUp : 1/8/2022 3:25 pm : link
and the mob may be necessary to unstick the people making decisions. It's justifiable and it will pass in the offseason with whatever optimism comes with the new GM hire (assuming it isn't Abrams). If it bothers, you should probably stay off the internet. It's not just a BBI thing.
RE: Fans can be upset…  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15535833 Chris in Philly said:
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Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.


RE: Your point about being  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15535711 Ned In Atlanta said:
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civil when being critical is fair. But the team stinking is one thing. The team stinking and ownership being too prideful and set in their ways to make any substantive changes makes it that much more maddening. And the cherry on top is what seems like a concerted effort by media members associated with the team to preach to the paying customers that “they don’t know what they’re taking about.”


+1
It is a chat forum  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/8/2022 3:27 pm : link
it is what it is. Just about everywhere you tune into nowadays seems to be people are just mad and disagree.

I could do without the name calling and wishing horrific things on people for a different viewpoint but that is not going to change. Still a lot of good viewpoints from posters and I find you can pick up some good knowledge if you weed through the crap.

I think Stephen Covey's "Seek first to understood before being understood" is not something you will see on this type of venue.
RE: It is a chat forum  
BigBlueinDE : 1/8/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15535910 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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it is what it is. Just about everywhere you tune into nowadays seems to be people are just mad and disagree.

I could do without the name calling and wishing horrific things on people for a different viewpoint but that is not going to change. Still a lot of good viewpoints from posters and I find you can pick up some good knowledge if you weed through the crap.

I think Stephen Covey's "Seek first to understood before being understood" is not something you will see on this type of venue.


Agreed.
RE: Fans can be upset…  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15535833 Chris in Philly said:
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Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.


We also used to live under the naive notion that the Giants had their ducks in a row and could be trusted to address their problems on their own.

As soon as the adults in the room were fired, the team was sent into spiral while management peddles the idea that fans don't know anything and amazing progress is being made behind the scenes.
RE: Fans can be upset…  
BigBlueinDE : 1/8/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15535833 Chris in Philly said:
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Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.


Couldn't agree more.
It's unusual I agree with Bw anbd Go Terps  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 3:36 pm : link
In the old days of recognition for example that DG was a clown etc we we were always in agreement as well.

But in this I agree with 100% of what they are saying.

Criticism of the Giants has been well deserved and worth our wrath. I'd like to remind the OP that we are fans. Being a fan doesn't mean to always be a cheerleader.

Our voices are not being heard and any of the media that backs the belief that this regime has been near competent and doesn't deserve a certain amount of bashing only infuriates more.

Who likes arrogance and cover-up while they wag it publicly in our faces? As a fan we're supposed to take it?
Stop pretending to be offended  
MtDizzle : 1/8/2022 3:39 pm : link
This fan base has become enraged and fed up. Rightfully so! The next step is apathy, is that what you want?
 
christian : 1/8/2022 3:59 pm : link
Many of us remember 20-25 years ago on this site — a time BBIers slapped each other’s asses about how smart Giants fans were.

This place was the Wild West. The smartest and most popular members of this site used language, insults, and antics that were intense. Way more aggressive than anything today.

Accorsi, Reeves, Fassel, Brown, Graham etc. got ripped apart on here. Posters got their ass kicked left and right.
RE: RE: Fans can be upset…  
Chris in Philly : 1/8/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15535908 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15535833 Chris in Philly said:


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Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.





Congratulations on going full troll on an internet message board. It’s been quite a journey for you over the years. We’re proud of you.
CiP  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 4:14 pm : link
You're going around telling people how to behave on a message board...maybe you shouldn't be talking to anyone about trolling.

Congrats on being one of the few remaining shills. It never occurred to me you might be Chris Mara.
Chris  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2022 4:15 pm : link
no point in even having a conversation here anymore. Just drop it.
RE: CiP  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15535993 Go Terps said:
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You're going around telling people how to behave on a message board...maybe you shouldn't be talking to anyone about trolling.

Congrats on being one of the few remaining shills. It never occurred to me you might be Chris Mara.


It's embarrassing as hell for them. Imagine sucking the ass of a franchise that has been awful for a decade with no end in sight and is at their worst right now? Hilariously sad.
.  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 4:18 pm : link
When ryanmkeane is on your side...that has to be a "come to Jesus" moment for you.
RE: .  
Chris in Philly : 1/8/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15536001 Go Terps said:
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When ryanmkeane is on your side...that has to be a "come to Jesus" moment for you.


You might want to take a look at the racists, goons, and mouth breathers serving as your bannermen these days before you throw shade at anyone else.
RE: CiP  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15535993 Go Terps said:
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Congrats on being one of the few remaining shills. It never occurred to me you might be Chris Mara.


That was very funny.
 
christian : 1/8/2022 4:36 pm : link
There are a number of folks on this site who have genuine emotional ties to the team. Insulting the team is insulting something personal to them.
RE: …  
Producer : 1/8/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15536022 christian said:
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There are a number of folks on this site who have genuine emotional ties to the team. Insulting the team is insulting something personal to them.


oh well.. time to grow up. Adults know how to compartmentalize stuff that offends them.
This board sucks  
uther99 : 1/8/2022 4:56 pm : link
Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC. Summarizes my opinion of this board
I have always hated the mob mentality  
Big Al : 1/8/2022 5:01 pm : link
but sometimes the mob is right.

I also hated posters telling other posters what they can and cannot say or the degree of venom they can use to say it.

RE: RE: .  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15536002 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 15536001 Go Terps said:


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When ryanmkeane is on your side...that has to be a "come to Jesus" moment for you.



You might want to take a look at the racists, goons, and mouth breathers serving as your bannermen these days before you throw shade at anyone else.


What racists?
RE: I have always hated the mob mentality  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15536049 Big Al said:
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but sometimes the mob is right.

I also hated posters telling other posters what they can and cannot say or the degree of venom they can use to say it.


I'd much prefer to be posting about how Jones is an elite QB, the line was better than I ever expected, etc.

There's very little to be positive about. A few of the young defenders. Andrew Thomas. What else? It's frustrating.
My issue is this...  
John In CO : 1/8/2022 5:34 pm : link
While I understand all the negative feelings about the Giants, I really dont get what getting SO emotional about it does for people. Im at the point where, when the Giants lose, it bugs me for maybe 5-10 minutes....then I move on with my life. I mean...they stink...I get it...that point has been well established over the past few years. Besides, what will getting all hot and bothered over the performance of a football team that im not even a part of get me? What can I do about the fact that they stink? Stop watching, maybe? Other than that, not a lot. Worrying about things that you have no control over is just a waste of energy.
RE: My issue is this...  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15536088 John In CO said:
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While I understand all the negative feelings about the Giants, I really dont get what getting SO emotional about it does for people. Im at the point where, when the Giants lose, it bugs me for maybe 5-10 minutes....then I move on with my life. I mean...they stink...I get it...that point has been well established over the past few years. Besides, what will getting all hot and bothered over the performance of a football team that im not even a part of get me? What can I do about the fact that they stink? Stop watching, maybe? Other than that, not a lot. Worrying about things that you have no control over is just a waste of energy.


Your point is valid.

But for you- you've stopped listening. It's easy to do what you say when you stop.

What if you don't stop listening?

RE: Stop pretending to be offended  
River Mike : 1/8/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15535928 MtDizzle said:
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This fan base has become enraged and fed up. Rightfully so! The next step is apathy, is that what you want?


I can't imagine how you could possibly misunderstand more.
Yes fans are upset, fed up angry, no one is arguing against that. But some of us are saying that being upset can be communicated without the horrible insults and wishing people die. You say the alternative to wishing death to people is apathy. I think there is a lot of space between death wishes, name calling and apathy.
RE: This board sucks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15536040 uther99 said:
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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC.


He did that to anyone that didn't think DG was as great and Parcells and George Young.
RE: I have always hated the mob mentality  
River Mike : 1/8/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15536049 Big Al said:
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but sometimes the mob is right.

I also hated posters telling other posters what they can and cannot say or the degree of venom they can use to say it.


Al, I respect your opinions, but I haven't seen anyone tell posters what they "can and cannot say", only voicing an opinion that there is no need for the horrible insults, death wishes, etc., in order to make your feelings known. I think that our opinions deserve the same respect you would accord the "mob".
BBI  
UConn4523 : 1/8/2022 8:12 pm : link
is nothing more than the comments section of a divisive YouTube video. Angry trolls run this place.
RE: BBI  
christian : 1/8/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15536384 UConn4523 said:
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is nothing more than the comments section of a divisive YouTube video. Angry trolls run this place.


You notice how many of your posts are about how much you don’t like the members, threads, and content of this site?
RE: RE: BBI  
UConn4523 : 1/8/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15536387 christian said:
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In comment 15536384 UConn4523 said:


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is nothing more than the comments section of a divisive YouTube video. Angry trolls run this place.



You notice how many of your posts are about how much you don’t like the members, threads, and content of this site?


Yes.
It’s been a 4-5 win team for years, and many here have seen  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:19 pm : link
the reasons why and have questioned the moves only to be criticized by unsupported optimism from delusional posters.

Come on board now and bring objective and solid thoughts to the board. It makes for better conversation and leaves the grabass posters in limbo or leaving the site altogether...
RE: BBI  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15536384 UConn4523 said:
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is nothing more than the comments section of a divisive YouTube video. Angry trolls run this place.


You’re about done here...
RE: RE: This board sucks  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15536377 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15536040 uther99 said:


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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC.



He did that to anyone that didn't think DG was as great and Parcells and George Young.


And remember the line he gave when things were going down the toilet for Dg and he was accused of being his lapdog defender?

He said something like "I never defended Dave Gettleman."
RE: This board sucks  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15536040 uther99 said:
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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC. Summarizes my opinion of this board


Me too.

But it really only summarized how chuckleheads like Fmic needed to post less and you needed to give your opinions more...
RE: RE: Stop pretending to be offended  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15536374 River Mike said:
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In comment 15535928 MtDizzle said:


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This fan base has become enraged and fed up. Rightfully so! The next step is apathy, is that what you want?



I can't imagine how you could possibly misunderstand more.
Yes fans are upset, fed up angry, no one is arguing against that. But some of us are saying that being upset can be communicated without the horrible insults and wishing people die. You say the alternative to wishing death to people is apathy. I think there is a lot of space between death wishes, name calling and apathy.


Who wished death?
RE: Fans can be upset…  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15535833 Chris in Philly said:
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Fans can protest. Fans can complain. Fans can do all those things. And the way this team is going, fans should do those things.

But the bloodlust displayed around here in recent days is childish and embarrassing. We used to live under the naive notion that Giants fans were somehow better than other teams’ fan. Smarter. Classier. That mirage has fully disappeared. It has looked like an Eagles gan group lately.


You are insufferable.

Haha, I always wanted to tell you that...
Googs  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2022 8:35 pm : link
explain to me the “you’re about done here” post that was pointed at UConn? I mean honestly - tell me what’s going through your head? Are you the king of all things message board who tells people when they are “about done here?”

UConn has been a valuable poster to this board for years.
Don’t bother  
UConn4523 : 1/8/2022 8:37 pm : link
that troll lies and alters archived threads, isn’t worth the mud on my boot.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15536420 ryanmkeane said:
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explain to me the “you’re about done here” post that was pointed at UConn? I mean honestly - tell me what’s going through your head? Are you the king of all things message board who tells people when they are “about done here?”

UConn has been a valuable poster to this board for years.


He’s only interested in being condescending now. He has more horsepower than that but too often let’s his prior allegiances drive his words. It’s like a bad movie that needs a better script...
RE: RE: I have always hated the mob mentality  
Big Al : 1/8/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15536379 River Mike said:
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In comment 15536049 Big Al said:


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but sometimes the mob is right.

I also hated posters telling other posters what they can and cannot say or the degree of venom they can use to say it.




Al, I respect your opinions, but I haven't seen anyone tell posters what they "can and cannot say", only voicing an opinion that there is no need for the horrible insults, death wishes, etc., in order to make your feelings known. I think that our opinions deserve the same respect you would accord the "mob".
Mike. I guess that I have always found the venom and insane rants and insults amusing. It tells me a lot about people who go deeply into the gutter. I found it part of the charm of this place. It was much worse years ago. I received threats from posters (Matt in Syracuse) and was once told by my buddy RockyThompson that “I was a child molester living in my mother’s basement”. I didn’t respond. Theoretically you should treat people with respect but I just don’t take this place serious enough to get too upset about that kind of stuff but that is just me and I can understand why it offends many. Being a huge free speech person, I tend to react when I see people being asked to censor themselves. My favored mode of response is sarcasm or silence. Stupidity offends me more than insults. Saying that I will say something apparently unpopular. I miss FMIC.
RE: RE: RE: I have always hated the mob mentality  
River Mike : 1/8/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15536473 Big Al said:
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In comment 15536379 River Mike said:


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In comment 15536049 Big Al said:


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but sometimes the mob is right.

I also hated posters telling other posters what they can and cannot say or the degree of venom they can use to say it.




Al, I respect your opinions, but I haven't seen anyone tell posters what they "can and cannot say", only voicing an opinion that there is no need for the horrible insults, death wishes, etc., in order to make your feelings known. I think that our opinions deserve the same respect you would accord the "mob".

Mike. I guess that I have always found the venom and insane rants and insults amusing. It tells me a lot about people who go deeply into the gutter. I found it part of the charm of this place. It was much worse years ago. I received threats from posters (Matt in Syracuse) and was once told by my buddy RockyThompson that “I was a child molester living in my mother’s basement”. I didn’t respond. Theoretically you should treat people with respect but I just don’t take this place serious enough to get too upset about that kind of stuff but that is just me and I can understand why it offends many. Being a huge free speech person, I tend to react when I see people being asked to censor themselves. My favored mode of response is sarcasm or silence. Stupidity offends me more than insults. Saying that I will say something apparently unpopular. I miss FMIC.


LOL! I guess we agree on a few things here, and yes it does have potential to be amusing. Ah,fond memories of Matt in Syracuse and I too miss FMiC, He was acerbic and often insulting, though not to the levels I was posting about, and he was much more often right than not. I think my issue was not so much insults, but the level to which they had sunk, and the death wishes (I forgot who the poster was but they were directed at Gettleman). I am certainly no fan of DG, but some of the vitriolwas over the top IMHO. And I do realize it is just my opinion.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15536062 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15536002 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 15536001 Go Terps said:


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When ryanmkeane is on your side...that has to be a "come to Jesus" moment for you.



You might want to take a look at the racists, goons, and mouth breathers serving as your bannermen these days before you throw shade at anyone else.



What racists?


Guess he doesn't have the balls to say...
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15536530 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15536062 BrettNYG10 said:


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What racists?



Guess he doesn't have the balls to say...


I guess he is one of those posters that when he doesn't like a subject he accuses others of anything that pops into his head.
 
christian : 1/8/2022 10:40 pm : link
I don’t understand why people who don’t enjoy interacting here do it. That’s some kind of masochism.

For those of us who have been here two plus decades, we can recall the pre-login days, the Strike Eagle days, the optimist/realist days, etc.

And through it all, despite some nasty people, some crazy people, the team being awesome and the team being terrible — this forum is successful when the members focus on debating football.

It’s not always sunshine, but BBI has been its best when it is real. If posting here is such a drag, maybe it’s time to pack it up.
Can't we all just get along?  
adamg : 1/8/2022 10:51 pm : link
CiP and UConn are among the best posters we have. Alienating them is like alienating what makes BBI have some kind of heart and soul. If we're just left with Googs, Terps, and bw... what are we but sad Giants fans who indulge in self-flagellation ultimately serving no purpose other than self-congratulations when we suck. That don't sound fun to me. Ya'll should apologize to CiP and UConn...
RE: Can't we all just get along?  
Go Terps : 1/8/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15536629 adamg said:
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CiP and UConn are among the best posters we have. Alienating them is like alienating what makes BBI have some kind of heart and soul. If we're just left with Googs, Terps, and bw... what are we but sad Giants fans who indulge in self-flagellation ultimately serving no purpose other than self-congratulations when we suck. That don't sound fun to me. Ya'll should apologize to CiP and UConn...


I'm not sure what I've said that's so offensive. When the Giants were good, I was positive. When it became clear years ago that there were deep fundamental problems, I pointed out out. The things I pointed out have borne out and then some.

Does living in a fantasy world make one a better fan or poster?
RE: …  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15536618 christian said:
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I don’t understand why people who don’t enjoy interacting here do it. That’s some kind of masochism.

For those of us who have been here two plus decades, we can recall the pre-login days, the Strike Eagle days, the optimist/realist days, etc.

And through it all, despite some nasty people, some crazy people, the team being awesome and the team being terrible — this forum is successful when the members focus on debating football.

It’s not always sunshine, but BBI has been its best when it is real. If posting here is such a drag, maybe it’s time to pack it up.


Nice thoughts.

I was here during the BBI Civil War between the Optimists v Realists. This place was alive. It was raw and unplugged. And it was a perfect lesson in learning to keep your cool and to never take this place too seriously.
What an odd world we live in  
MyNameIsMyName : 1/8/2022 11:13 pm : link
The ones who tell it how it is are the trolls, the sunshine blowers are the realists
RE: What an odd world we live in  
PatersonPlank : 1/8/2022 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15536646 MyNameIsMyName said:
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The ones who tell it how it is are the trolls, the sunshine blowers are the realists


The real point is that there are two opinions. The ones that agree with a persons opinion are realists, the ones that don't are morons, idiots, and jerks (whatever side you are on). We should be able to listen to different opinions and have civil discussions, we can't. Each side thinks the other are idiots., just like in politics.
 
christian : 1/8/2022 11:23 pm : link
Debating why things will go well is a welcomed perspective. There are plenty of honest and supportable positive arguments.

There are a bunch of positive threads on the forum right now. Those are great opportunities to voice those views.

CiP historically has been a good poster but  
NoGainDayne : 1/9/2022 9:40 am : link
nowadays just chimes in to take shots at people who are not happy with the team.

UConn I’ve rarely at any point seen post an original thought and really only criticizes people and complains.

The difference as Terps pointed out is that many people including myself were happy to be positive about the team when it was deserved. The issue with the one note people is that their utility is being made perfectly clear in these dark times. They seem like a voice of reason when people are being overly critical of the team but now with fair critiques abound they have resorted to pot shots like mocking petitions. And I guess outlandish claims of “homophonic bannerman”

It’s whatever honestly. I don’t find it all that helpful that people are doing anything to prop up this sham leadership that the Giants have. But the bridge to far for me is the outcry for these incredibly biased people, standing on wobbly legs, when some of them spent a lot of their time being nastier to people in the past. There is no additional nastiness being put on positive people than their was on the negative ones. If anything I think the main people who were attacked in the past are taking the high road here. Because they just want the Giants to be good vs. these others that act a lot like the Giants managers frankly. They’d rather protect the weird insular unsuccessful culture that is clearly not working than make the necessary changes

RE: …  
HomerJones45 : 1/9/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15535964 christian said:
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Many of us remember 20-25 years ago on this site — a time BBIers slapped each other’s asses about how smart Giants fans were.

This place was the Wild West. The smartest and most popular members of this site used language, insults, and antics that were intense. Way more aggressive than anything today.

Accorsi, Reeves, Fassel, Brown, Graham etc. got ripped apart on here. Posters got their ass kicked left and right.
Oh boy, you are right there. BBI is tame now by comparison.
RE: RE: …  
Big Al : 1/9/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15536934 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15535964 christian said:


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Many of us remember 20-25 years ago on this site — a time BBIers slapped each other’s asses about how smart Giants fans were.

This place was the Wild West. The smartest and most popular members of this site used language, insults, and antics that were intense. Way more aggressive than anything today.

Accorsi, Reeves, Fassel, Brown, Graham etc. got ripped apart on here. Posters got their ass kicked left and right.

Oh boy, you are right there. BBI is tame now by comparison.
Yep.
RE: RE: RE: …  
christian : 1/9/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15536974 Big Al said:
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Accorsi, Reeves, Fassel, Brown, Graham etc. got ripped apart on here. Posters got their ass kicked left and right.

Oh boy, you are right there. BBI is tame now by comparison.

Yep.


I learned the meaning of a number of words and phrases I would not repeat on Sundays during that time.

Maybe some of us are getting more sensitive or appropriate with age.

But this place is much tamer now. Maybe as tame as it’s ever been.
NFT topics are BBI Kumbaya time  
penkap75 : 1/9/2022 10:29 am : link
The same poster that will call you an asshole for your opinion on Daniel Jones, will give you sympathy when you post your dog died today.
RE: NFT topics are BBI Kumbaya time  
Big Al : 1/9/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15536996 penkap75 said:
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The same poster that will call you an asshole for your opinion on Daniel Jones, will give you sympathy when you post your dog died today.
I see no issue with that.
RE: This board sucks  
Jacobs_27 : 1/9/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15536040 uther99 said:
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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC. Summarizes my opinion of this board


The best thing to happen to BBI in a LONG time was the self-removal of that asshole from this board. Much like his beloved here Dave Gettleman, he should have been thrown out of here on his ass instead of leaving because he's too embarrassed to defend his past statements.
RE: RE: RE: This board sucks  
santacruzom : 1/14/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15536406 giantstock said:
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In comment 15536377 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 15536040 uther99 said:


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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC.



He did that to anyone that didn't think DG was as great and Parcells and George Young.



And remember the line he gave when things were going down the toilet for Dg and he was accused of being his lapdog defender?

He said something like "I never defended Dave Gettleman."


I'm sure it was more like:

"LOL!! I've never been a white knight for Gettleman. It's just that my astounding intellect can't countenance morons like you offering primitive criticisms of him, while there's no evidence that his moves were not NOT incompetent."
This is a very odd thread to me  
.McL. : 1/15/2022 1:40 am : link
It's like some weird, complete reversal of everything that was BBI.

First. I agree that personal attacks are bad look. Threatening or wishing harm on another is worse.

That said, I tend to agree that BBI is much tamer than it was even a couple years ago. And orders of magnitude tamer than 20-25 years ago (Yes I was here then).

What has changed is that for years those who believed in the positives far outnumbered those who believed in the negatives. Those who believed in the positives bullied and browbeat those who believed in the negatives. They were led by a specific poster we all know. They felt like they ruled the place and the flaunted it. That has switched. The few remaining who still believe in the positive are far outnumbered. They are no longer on top, and they feel like their message isn't being heard. They feel that BBI has become hostile to them and their opinions. To a certain extent they are right.

Let me say this. Posters like Terps, bw, JonC, and christian stated their case, took a mountain of crap for it, and almost always kept an even keel. They rarely if ever resorted to personal attacks. When it did slip out, it was only after being ganged up against and personally attacked by dozens of posters. They were the targets of tons of vitriol. Whether you liked their opinions or not, they were model citizens on this forum (especially christian and JonC, but they took less crap than Terps and bw).

In the end, the critical posters turned out to be correct. Now we have some of those very same positive thinking posters that attacked with vitriol in the past, whining about they way things have turned out on here.

Some serious lack of self awareness there...

I do not always agree with their opinions. I have debated with Terps, bw, JonC, christian on other critics numerous times. But those debates were always respectful, and usually enlightening.

Most of the time, if you treat people with respect, they will return the favor.

Regarding the vitriol directed at the likes of DG, JJ, JM, CM, KA, CP and the rest of the Giant FO. Fans are angry and venting. Nobody really wishes these people any real harm. I don't particularly enjoy those posts but I understand and just look past them.

On the other hand, the heavy criticism of this FO is more than well deserved. In fact, I think generally fans have gone lightly on them... I think we all recognize that the Maras are good people, people who deserve respect for the kind of people they are. Unfortunately they are just not very good at running a football teams In fact, they are so bad, that they were a hairs breath away from promoting Abrams and keeping Judge. It should not have to be this way, but the fan revolt, the criticism, the clown pictures which ultimately led to twitter meltdowns is what finally pushed Mara into doing this the right way. In fact, it was so close, that he almost kept Judge anyway, Tisch had to force that issue. So the fact of the matter is that the critical fans are the ones who pushed them into the current GM search and HC vacancy. I believe almost everybody believes that, so far this is better than the alternatives.

If you believe in the positives, then by all means, keep posting your positive opinions. Just be aware that you now hold a deeply unpopular position, and your posts will likely garner little satisfying feedback for you. There will come a time when the Giants fortunes start to turn. At that point your opinions may be more highly regarded. In the meantime, I'm afraid you will just have to grow a pair.
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