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could we please stop the constant denigration of all things

plato : 1/8/2022 12:56 pm
Giant. We are supposed to be Giant fans not blood enemies. We all know how you feel about the “worst in giant “ history from ownership, players, administration, medical staff , trainers etc. I do think you are entitled to your opinions there are however better and less mean spirited, if not less viscous ways of expressing yourselves. You are talking about and to fellow human beings, so some respect is required.

Most of you i think are too young to remember Wellington Mara as GM, or Andy Robustelli as GM, or Alex Webster as HC, or Steve Owens last days as head coach. When you to refer to current people as “worst in history” you really have no personal knowledge of Giant history by which to make that judgement.

Many of you have turned BBI, a great example of sports private enterprise, into a foul, gutter reading fan form. Just try to raise the level a bit, act like true giant fans who criticize without stooping into the gutter to do so.

Times are changing with our team, maybe we could change a bit too.
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christian : 1/9/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15536974 Big Al said:
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Accorsi, Reeves, Fassel, Brown, Graham etc. got ripped apart on here. Posters got their ass kicked left and right.

Oh boy, you are right there. BBI is tame now by comparison.

Yep.


I learned the meaning of a number of words and phrases I would not repeat on Sundays during that time.

Maybe some of us are getting more sensitive or appropriate with age.

But this place is much tamer now. Maybe as tame as it’s ever been.
NFT topics are BBI Kumbaya time  
penkap75 : 1/9/2022 10:29 am : link
The same poster that will call you an asshole for your opinion on Daniel Jones, will give you sympathy when you post your dog died today.
RE: NFT topics are BBI Kumbaya time  
Big Al : 1/9/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15536996 penkap75 said:
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The same poster that will call you an asshole for your opinion on Daniel Jones, will give you sympathy when you post your dog died today.
I see no issue with that.
RE: This board sucks  
Jacobs_27 : 1/9/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15536040 uther99 said:
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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC. Summarizes my opinion of this board


The best thing to happen to BBI in a LONG time was the self-removal of that asshole from this board. Much like his beloved here Dave Gettleman, he should have been thrown out of here on his ass instead of leaving because he's too embarrassed to defend his past statements.
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santacruzom : 1/14/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15536406 giantstock said:
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In comment 15536377 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 15536040 uther99 said:


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Years ago, I criticized Jonathan Stewart in game. Maybe it was preseason, not sure. I was told im a suck ass poster by FMIC.



He did that to anyone that didn't think DG was as great and Parcells and George Young.



And remember the line he gave when things were going down the toilet for Dg and he was accused of being his lapdog defender?

He said something like "I never defended Dave Gettleman."


I'm sure it was more like:

"LOL!! I've never been a white knight for Gettleman. It's just that my astounding intellect can't countenance morons like you offering primitive criticisms of him, while there's no evidence that his moves were not NOT incompetent."
This is a very odd thread to me  
.McL. : 1/15/2022 1:40 am : link
It's like some weird, complete reversal of everything that was BBI.

First. I agree that personal attacks are bad look. Threatening or wishing harm on another is worse.

That said, I tend to agree that BBI is much tamer than it was even a couple years ago. And orders of magnitude tamer than 20-25 years ago (Yes I was here then).

What has changed is that for years those who believed in the positives far outnumbered those who believed in the negatives. Those who believed in the positives bullied and browbeat those who believed in the negatives. They were led by a specific poster we all know. They felt like they ruled the place and the flaunted it. That has switched. The few remaining who still believe in the positive are far outnumbered. They are no longer on top, and they feel like their message isn't being heard. They feel that BBI has become hostile to them and their opinions. To a certain extent they are right.

Let me say this. Posters like Terps, bw, JonC, and christian stated their case, took a mountain of crap for it, and almost always kept an even keel. They rarely if ever resorted to personal attacks. When it did slip out, it was only after being ganged up against and personally attacked by dozens of posters. They were the targets of tons of vitriol. Whether you liked their opinions or not, they were model citizens on this forum (especially christian and JonC, but they took less crap than Terps and bw).

In the end, the critical posters turned out to be correct. Now we have some of those very same positive thinking posters that attacked with vitriol in the past, whining about they way things have turned out on here.

Some serious lack of self awareness there...

I do not always agree with their opinions. I have debated with Terps, bw, JonC, christian on other critics numerous times. But those debates were always respectful, and usually enlightening.

Most of the time, if you treat people with respect, they will return the favor.

Regarding the vitriol directed at the likes of DG, JJ, JM, CM, KA, CP and the rest of the Giant FO. Fans are angry and venting. Nobody really wishes these people any real harm. I don't particularly enjoy those posts but I understand and just look past them.

On the other hand, the heavy criticism of this FO is more than well deserved. In fact, I think generally fans have gone lightly on them... I think we all recognize that the Maras are good people, people who deserve respect for the kind of people they are. Unfortunately they are just not very good at running a football teams In fact, they are so bad, that they were a hairs breath away from promoting Abrams and keeping Judge. It should not have to be this way, but the fan revolt, the criticism, the clown pictures which ultimately led to twitter meltdowns is what finally pushed Mara into doing this the right way. In fact, it was so close, that he almost kept Judge anyway, Tisch had to force that issue. So the fact of the matter is that the critical fans are the ones who pushed them into the current GM search and HC vacancy. I believe almost everybody believes that, so far this is better than the alternatives.

If you believe in the positives, then by all means, keep posting your positive opinions. Just be aware that you now hold a deeply unpopular position, and your posts will likely garner little satisfying feedback for you. There will come a time when the Giants fortunes start to turn. At that point your opinions may be more highly regarded. In the meantime, I'm afraid you will just have to grow a pair.
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