Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).
I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info
That is a conclusion you have reached on your own.
That is a conclusion you have reached on your own.
No judge is NOT safe according to my info I got; he knows it and is trying to sell Mara on a pairing with Abrams as a way to save his job.
Why would Judge want an outside GM with no ties to him? I wouldn’t make much of this.
Thank you
Abrams is guilty by association. Whether he would be a good GM or not it mute pt. He won’t get the job, IMO
Contrary to what is espoused here daily, there has to be discussion on Judge.
Thank you
I have spelled it out. Judge is not safe and he know it after rant
He is trying to sell the Mara’s of bringing him back with Abrams as his GM. I got nothing else. I wish I did.
Oh, I'm praying alright. I hope WFT kills us.
He probably was scouring the internet and saw Kevin Abrams mentioned in a discussion.
The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.
Rivera has kept a level head in the media in regards to the stuff with Judge. Internally, I'm sure Washington is juiced up and looking to embarrass the Giants tomorrow. Would be the best thing that could happen.
Exactly. And not feel threatened by an outside GM. It’s simple self preservation.
Or that he'll be fired with a new GM either this season or next.
Obviously, Mara is very fond of Abrams's loyalty and I'm sure Judge has discerned how important it is for Mara to be surrounded by people who have taken the Giants Way sacrament.
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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.
Or that he'll be fired with a new GM either this season or next.
Certainly could be. I don't want him influencing the roster this draft which is why I want a new GM. I was suggesting he feels he can influence Abrams to forcing something to try and achieve a short term result. This draft is critical to set the stage for 2023.
Yes, Mrs. Judge. Or P-Dot. Or Hanlon on his now 12th Scotch. Or Pettit.
It will confirm the current John Mara is a Manchurian clone planted by Jerry Jones to destroy the Giants. The real John Mara was kidnapped and is being held somewhere in JerryWorld. Probably frozen in carbonite.
But, we know it's likely Mara is trying to exactly that, and perhaps the recent Judge rant and external pressure will help push for broader changes.
All special teams players? The guy sucks...why would anyone want him building a roster?
I don’t think elite means what you think it does.
Also, why have you not been banned yet?
But, we know it's likely Mara is trying to exactly that, and perhaps the recent Judge rant and external pressure will help push for broader changes.
I passed along the info because I got it from a credible source. But I still can’t think Mara would be this dumb to do this. This would lead to a revolt. That Judge thinks this is his best option (if my info is accurate) speaks volumes about how dumb Mara is
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…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.
The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.
Harbaugh
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Sean, we know how much Mara puts on late season wins. It is further evidence he's an incompetent clown.
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…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.
The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.
Harbaugh
I do not think he would want to answer to Mara extended family after the issues he had in SF. For all of his success, his tenure with Michigan is the longest he has stayed in one position and he was on the hot seat prior to this year because they were not winning big games.
Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.
Giants 45 WFT 10.
Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.
Book it.
IF Judge and Abrams have a good working relationship, it makes sense that they would make a pitch that DG was the issue, together we (J/A) have a plan to make things better. Even if neither are on the hotseat, and they truly believe this line, it is a logical pitch to make.
OR, they could be making the pitch out of self preservation, making a pact to stick together and try to navigate the turbulent waters. Again, it is a logical pitch to make.
Any way you slice it, change is afoot and the main players should be giving input. I don't want a coach who locks his doors and only studies x's and o's. I want a coach who looks to help put together a good team he can work with. You can call it good business, or desperation depending on the spin you want to put on it, but giving input is the smart play either way.
The wildcard is whether the Maras are smart enough to see merit in the plan if it is a good plan, or to see through bullshit. Right now, the reading is that they (Maras) are incompetent on the football side, so whatever course of action they take will only succeed due to luck, not skill.
I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.
exactly
I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.
Certainly hope not. We need a GM that focuses on his job. and coach does the same.
Mara makes a common mistake many BBIers do - thinking that something good from the current year will convey to the next year.
The only logical move here is to find the best GM possible. Then, let that guy decide whether Judge coaches this team next year without Mara's input
Anything short of that is nothing more than continued meddling my Mara.
Yes, but I would change rant to rants.
Sunday wasn't a one-timer. There have been a few. Sunday's rant just brought this situation to a boil.
Thank you
This was the funniest reply I have seen in years. Are you under the age of 18 or drunk?
I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.
Agreed, but I hope it doesn't happen.
Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.
Giants 45 WFT 10.
Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.
Book it.
You're delusional.
Mara deserves blame, but a win in an empty stadium between two teams with backups going no where is not anything to build a case on.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Which prove the point you won't be happy until, well, you're happy. And the Giants are winning again.
Because even if you agree with the decisions they make - whatever that is - if the team still fails you'll ultimately blame Mara.
Why would Judge want an outside GM with no ties to him? I wouldn’t make much of this.
+1
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is what is going to happen:
Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.
Giants 45 WFT 10.
Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.
Book it.
You're delusional.
Mara deserves blame, but a win in an empty stadium between two teams with backups going no where is not anything to build a case on.
I was being sarcastic.
Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.
Giants 45 WFT 10.
Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.
Book it.
The team ran up the white flag weeks ago. It’ll take a huge effort just to get them out of the locker room tomorrow.
He has his own issues to deal with
I see what you did there…
"Loyalty" and laziness.
He probably was scouring the internet and saw Kevin Abrams mentioned in a discussion.
….I might if it was Gatorade zero. Can’t get it anywhere. Just saying.
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).
I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"
A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.
Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.
So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).
I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"
A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.
Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.
So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.
Someone doesn't know how sources work
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
I’m bot sure if you understand. Doing the cap is not deciding who gets paid or how much they get paid or how long a contract is. Those are
Parameters that are given to the cap person to structure in a contract. To keep track of space and have scenarios when money needs to be found.
It’s not a decision making position, or even an evaluation position
I don’t think he should get elevated but I think there is a misconception as to what the cap manager does
Completely insane. Delusional. But 'Giants Family' or whatever...who cares about the results?
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).
I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"
A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.
Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.
So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.
Get lost with this take. He heard something and passed it along. Things are very fluid right now, all he said was Judge wants to work with Abrams but isn’t safe.
And you’re also wrong because we’ve had 3-4 posters who consistently hear things that typically check out.
I’ve heard most of the organization hates Judge and his people leaked the Christmas donations to get him good PR. Thats when I figured he was feeling heat.
After his comments the last 2 weeks, especially on WFT, if they get badly blown out i really think he gets canned. Would be a brutal look for the organization.
[quote] From all accounts, Mara wants to promote Abrams to GM...
It’s not ALL accounts. There are SOME reports that he wanted to promote Abrams. Most of those reports also say he knows that’s not tenable and will go outside the org. Regardless it’s all speculation.
Personally I seriously doubt Kevin gets promoted. I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t fired but he is not the next GM. nor should he be
I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.
I think you've misidentified the shadow GM in that scenario, it's Chris Mara.
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
I really don't want to defend Abrams on any level. The entire organization needs to be turned over as far as I'm concerned.
But his voice could be getting lost in the sauce with so many other bigger voices - Gettleman, Judge, Maras, Pettit, McDonnell, etc. So, I really have no idea what skills Abrams might have if given full reign. Yet, you can't give him the benefit of the doubt because the organization is polluted that you have to assume he's bad, too.
Problem is that most reliable UNNAMED SOURCES or ask to NOT have their name used are bullshitting and flat out lieing.
"And you’re also wrong because we’ve had 3-4 posters who consistently hear things that typically check out.
I’ve heard most of the organization hates Judge and his people leaked the Christmas donations to get him good PR. Thats when I figured he was feeling heat.
After his comments the last 2 weeks, especially on WFT, if they get badly blown out i really think he gets canned. Would be a brutal look for the organization."
Dude I have no idea why your so angry, Im just saying in MY EXPERIENCE "reliable Sources" with out a name are just bullshit with no fact behind it.
If the Soiurce is so reliable and the Information is the truth than why not go all the way and say the name and be quoted with the statement you say is the truth.
Like I said if it is so "Reliable" Why are you hiding? Why not be named? So I take "Reliable Sources" with BULLSHIT id you cant stand by what your saying than dont say it
Anonymous sources have been an integral part of the press, and reporting stories accurately, for a long, long time.
Problem is that most reliable UNNAMED SOURCES or ask to NOT have their name used are bullshitting and flat out lieing.
Are you new here?
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He’s the lead voice within the organization. I believe any GM that comes in will need Judges blessing. Joe Judge is an elite head coach.
I don’t think elite means what you think it does.
Also, why have you not been banned yet?
He’s just putting cheese out there at this point. Especially classless, if an inside troll.
I love a good asshat. Keep em coming Essex
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
I really don't want to defend Abrams on any level. The entire organization needs to be turned over as far as I'm concerned.
But his voice could be getting lost in the sauce with so many other bigger voices - Gettleman, Judge, Maras, Pettit, McDonnell, etc. So, I really have no idea what skills Abrams might have if given full reign. Yet, you can't give him the benefit of the doubt because the organization is polluted that you have to assume he's bad, too.
The problem I see is the whole crux of promoting him is he will be too tied into relationships made and gained from the past personnel there and having worked with them and will be too invested in being one of the old guard to not to change the existing structure and or be unable or empowered to change it.
Dude I have no idea why your so angry, Im just saying in MY EXPERIENCE "reliable Sources" with out a name are just bullshit with no fact behind it.
If the Soiurce is so reliable and the Information is the truth than why not go all the way and say the name and be quoted with the statement you say is the truth.
Like I said if it is so "Reliable" Why are you hiding? Why not be named? So I take "Reliable Sources" with BULLSHIT id you cant stand by what your saying than dont say it
No anger saying get lost with this take, its just a shitty take. Are you really serious with asking “why not put your name on it”
Logically, where would the asshat info originate from? Inside the Giants organization. Why put your name on it and risk getting fired?
You must be new here. which is ok. But i’m again telling you we have multiple posters who hear things anonymously and they’ve been right. No one with common sense puts their name on it unless they are a professional reporter.
Problem is that most reliable UNNAMED SOURCES or ask to NOT have their name used are bullshitting and flat out lieing.
Again, you don't have the slightest clue jas to how sources work
Logically, where would the asshat info originate from? Inside the Giants organization. Why put your name on it and risk getting fired?
You must be new here. which is ok. But i’m again telling you we have multiple posters who hear things anonymously and they’ve been right. No one with common sense puts their name on it unless they are a professional reporter."
BINGO!!! You win the Miullion dollar Prize
You do realize that the "Reliable Source" That reporters claim they have are 99% them right. The say Reliable Source because they are trying to get their agenda into the minds of their readers right. Their so called Reliable Source are themselves.
Also if this Reliable Source actually does work for the NY Giants and he is telling people outside of the Organization, Front Office/ Management secrets that he isnt supposed to be talking about and was told in SECRECY and because he is a trusted employee. Than how trustworthy is he??? This guy or gal is aboutn as trustworthy as a 5 year old wild wolf you bring home for a pet and think he isnt going to bite you.
Reliable Source My Ass
Logically, where would the asshat info originate from? Inside the Giants organization. Why put your name on it and risk getting fired?
You must be new here. which is ok. But i’m again telling you we have multiple posters who hear things anonymously and they’ve been right. No one with common sense puts their name on it unless they are a professional reporter."
BINGO!!! You win the Miullion dollar Prize
You do realize that the "Reliable Source" That reporters claim they have are 99% them right. The say Reliable Source because they are trying to get their agenda into the minds of their readers right. Their so called Reliable Source are themselves.
Also if this Reliable Source actually does work for the NY Giants and he is telling people outside of the Organization, Front Office/ Management secrets that he isnt supposed to be talking about and was told in SECRECY and because he is a trusted employee. Than how trustworthy is he??? This guy or gal is aboutn as trustworthy as a 5 year old wild wolf you bring home for a pet and think he isnt going to bite you.
Reliable Source My Ass
Dude are you a moron? It’s asshat info. Wtf is your problem?
This ain’t All The President’s Men and Woodward & Bernstein needing another source. It’s asshat. Holy F.
Take a Xanax.
Petit
Abrams
Hanlon
Dude are you a moron? It’s asshat info. Wtf is your problem?
This ain’t All The President’s Men and Woodward & Bernstein needing another source. It’s asshat. Holy F.
Take a Xanax."
WOW what are you the Internet Bully?? What mommy not give you milk and cookies when you were 5 years old so you have to try (KEY WORD TRY) and insult me and call me names.
WTF is your problem!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm someone that doesn't listen to BULLSHIT and I'm a very honest person. Besides that who the fuck do You think you are??" Calling me a moron and to take a XANAX Fuck YOU
What are you his reliable source??? I'm not allowed to question some shady comment that was made that is attacking the the character of someone else?? Because that is exactly what the Reliable Source is doing. I must have hit a nerve and made you hostile. You probably use RELIABLE SOURCE all the time with NO NAME to Bullshit everyone so they think your important AND THINK THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING
I don't listen to BULLSHIT and I call it out when I see it. Now go Upstairs from your MOMMYS Basement and say your sorry and I guarantee She will give your Milk and cookies that she didn't give you 30 years ago when you were 5
Asswipe
Over the years some asshats have proven to have had credible sources. Others have been outed as pure shit stirring bullshit artists inventing things out of thin air
It is understood that there is no source and may be bullshit. Just some nugget of news for people to debate.
It comes with the caveat believe this or don’t.
Many here enjoy the diviersion. Myself included
Asshat law allows for some abuse, but outright attacks are uncalled for.
They can really ruin another teams Playoff run if they play mistake free football and give 110% every game.
They are the sleeper team in the playoffs this season
The Giants are a 1-AA team compared to most NFL teams. From ownership, to management to coaching, to personnel they’re outclassed by most teams in almost every facet
He’s either out or it’s under heavy consideration likely into the wee hours of tomorrow night. I’m not even suggesting that they’re waiting to see how tomorrow goes, I think that’s pretty silly to believe.
I think it’s more likely that December has been a nightmare for Judge and what wasn’t even a possibility a little over a month ago is now very much in play that he’s gone.
His press conferences, most obviously Chicago post game (even post Miami game was bad) have been his undoing.
He said book it!!! LOL
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Acid was being sarcastic. You could see it a mile away.
I said Book it for 3-14 record plus or minus 1 and it looks like i nailed that prediction for Giants if you remember.
He said book it!!! LOL
"And you’re also wrong because we’ve had 3-4 posters who consistently hear things that typically check out.
I’ve heard most of the organization hates Judge and his people leaked the Christmas donations to get him good PR. Thats when I figured he was feeling heat.
After his comments the last 2 weeks, especially on WFT, if they get badly blown out i really think he gets canned. Would be a brutal look for the organization."
Dude I have no idea why your so angry, Im just saying in MY EXPERIENCE "reliable Sources" with out a name are just bullshit with no fact behind it.
If the Soiurce is so reliable and the Information is the truth than why not go all the way and say the name and be quoted with the statement you say is the truth.
Like I said if it is so "Reliable" Why are you hiding? Why not be named? So I take "Reliable Sources" with BULLSHIT id you cant stand by what your saying than dont say it
This is very funny lol… they’re not leaking news to a journalist or spreading a narrative pal….most of the asshats from BBI (with solid track records) have gotten info from person a degree or two outside of the FO decision makers. Surely you understand that this thread wouldn’t exist if a poster put a name to the source lol. Although maybe you don’t understand.
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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.
All special teams players? The guy sucks...why would anyone want him building a roster?
That is one issue that bothers me to no end with Judge.
He forces us to make bad roster decisions to staff up his special teams every year. Ok, he's not the only coach to do that somewhat, but he takes it way too far. We don't need half the roster to be good special team players!
Then when the injuries inevitably hit, we are left playing some scrub who looks like he belongs on the nursing home two hand touch football circuit.
Oh, and why are we carrying a backup fullback just for special teams? I ask all this because despite all this intense focus, our special teams still are not great! This is Judge's area of expertise. He slants our roster towards covering all the necessary special teams positions, and still we can't put an above average special teams unit out there? I'll just stop my rant here....
Dude are you a moron? It’s asshat info. Wtf is your problem?
This ain’t All The President’s Men and Woodward & Bernstein needing another source. It’s asshat. Holy F.
Take a Xanax."
WOW what are you the Internet Bully?? What mommy not give you milk and cookies when you were 5 years old so you have to try (KEY WORD TRY) and insult me and call me names.
WTF is your problem!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm someone that doesn't listen to BULLSHIT and I'm a very honest person. Besides that who the fuck do You think you are??" Calling me a moron and to take a XANAX Fuck YOU
What are you his reliable source??? I'm not allowed to question some shady comment that was made that is attacking the the character of someone else?? Because that is exactly what the Reliable Source is doing. I must have hit a nerve and made you hostile. You probably use RELIABLE SOURCE all the time with NO NAME to Bullshit everyone so they think your important AND THINK THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING
I don't listen to BULLSHIT and I call it out when I see it. Now go Upstairs from your MOMMYS Basement and say your sorry and I guarantee She will give your Milk and cookies that she didn't give you 30 years ago when you were 5
Asswipe
Seek help bro. Honestly.
Here a pearl for you: Go get laid. You really really need it.
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.
But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
I’m bot sure if you understand. Doing the cap is not deciding who gets paid or how much they get paid or how long a contract is. Those are
Parameters that are given to the cap person to structure in a contract. To keep track of space and have scenarios when money needs to be found.
It’s not a decision making position, or even an evaluation position
I don’t think he should get elevated but I think there is a misconception as to what the cap manager does
I’m pretty sure you don’t understand. He’s not just the cap guy. He’s been the assistant GM for almost 20 years. Not just the cap guy. There is absolutely no reason that he should survive not 1 but 2 GMs being fired as he’s been the right hand man of them both. Look at this team right now. EVERYONE in the front office should be fired. They are all collectively responsible for the past decade of trash being put on the field.