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Asshat info: Judge not safe

Essex : 1/8/2022 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).

I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info
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I believe that not for one…  
Chris in Philly : 1/8/2022 2:54 pm : link
second.
Judge  
mitch300 : 1/8/2022 2:54 pm : link
Can try to do anything he wants. It’s up to Mara to decide what is best for the team. Judge and Abrams is not what’s best.
So asshat  
ChicagoMarty : 1/8/2022 2:55 pm : link
you have not actually heard that Judge is not safe.

That is a conclusion you have reached on your own.
He should be fired tomorrow after WFT  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 2:56 pm : link
Kicks our ass.
RE: So asshat  
Essex : 1/8/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15535859 ChicagoMarty said:
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you have not actually heard that Judge is not safe.

That is a conclusion you have reached on your own.

No judge is NOT safe according to my info I got; he knows it and is trying to sell Mara on a pairing with Abrams as a way to save his job.
If Mara promotes Abrams and Judge is retained...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 2:59 pm : link
For the love of God...what are we doing?
I think that is pretty logical  
Sean : 1/8/2022 3:00 pm : link
Why wouldn’t Judge want Abrams? He knows him, from all reports he gets along well with him & Abrams likely would be content with Judge.

Why would Judge want an outside GM with no ties to him? I wouldn’t make much of this.
Thanks for passing along.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2022 3:00 pm : link
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Asshat  
ChicagoMarty : 1/8/2022 3:01 pm : link
please spell out in detail exactly what information you got and let us decide whether your conclusion is accurate.

Thank you
Judge should in no way shape or form  
blueblood : 1/8/2022 3:02 pm : link
should feel safe. The team regressed BADLY this year while adding more talent at certain positions.
Most reports have  
joeinpa : 1/8/2022 3:07 pm : link
Indicated Mara knows Abrams won’t fly, I have felt for a while this won’t happen.

Abrams is guilty by association. Whether he would be a good GM or not it mute pt. He won’t get the job, IMO

Contrary to what is espoused here daily, there has to be discussion on Judge.
It should be up to the new GM (NOT ABRAMS)...  
MOOPS : 1/8/2022 3:08 pm : link
whether Judge is retained. And that decision should be made solely by the new GM (NOT ABRAMS), without ANY interference from the Mara cabal.
RE: Asshat  
Essex : 1/8/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15535869 ChicagoMarty said:
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please spell out in detail exactly what information you got and let us decide whether your conclusion is accurate.

Thank you

I have spelled it out. Judge is not safe and he know it after rant
He is trying to sell the Mara’s of bringing him back with Abrams as his GM. I got nothing else. I wish I did.
Judge’s press conferences, post-Garret, have been weird…  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/8/2022 3:14 pm : link
…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.
Judge  
Costy16 : 1/8/2022 3:15 pm : link
Has made a fool of himself since he stepped to the podium in Chicago last Sunday.
Pray for ugly loss  
UberAlias : 1/8/2022 3:15 pm : link
Tomorrow.
RE: Pray for ugly loss  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15535884 UberAlias said:
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Tomorrow.


Oh, I'm praying alright. I hope WFT kills us.
At this point  
ghost718 : 1/8/2022 3:17 pm : link
I wouldn't buy a 12 pack of Gatorade Fruit Punch off Judge

He probably was scouring the internet and saw Kevin Abrams mentioned in a discussion.
RE: Judge’s press conferences, post-Garret, have been weird…  
Mike in NY : 1/8/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15535881 sb from NYT Forum said:
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…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.


The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.
RE: Pray for ugly loss  
Costy16 : 1/8/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15535884 UberAlias said:
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Tomorrow.


Rivera has kept a level head in the media in regards to the stuff with Judge. Internally, I'm sure Washington is juiced up and looking to embarrass the Giants tomorrow. Would be the best thing that could happen.
If there is any merit to this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/8/2022 3:18 pm : link
it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.
RE: If there is any merit to this  
Sean : 1/8/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15535892 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.

Exactly. And not feel threatened by an outside GM. It’s simple self preservation.
RE: If there is any merit to this  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15535892 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.


Or that he'll be fired with a new GM either this season or next.
Could it be that john mara  
thrunthrublue : 1/8/2022 3:21 pm : link
Is dyslexic? He can’t understand why snaf are upset over a 13 and 4 season?
As a gambit for self-preservation..  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 3:24 pm : link
this makes a lot of sense.

Obviously, Mara is very fond of Abrams's loyalty and I'm sure Judge has discerned how important it is for Mara to be surrounded by people who have taken the Giants Way sacrament.
A presumptive record of 4W-13L and not safe? Who'd a thunk it?  
Marty in Albany : 1/8/2022 3:27 pm : link
That's even a crappy batting average.
Can’t fault a guy for trying  
Les in TO : 1/8/2022 3:28 pm : link
But Mara needs to delegate decisions on Judge to the next GM. He shouldn’t let a coach on the hot seat dictate who the next GM should be.
Joe Judge is going nowhere  
GiantsFan42 : 1/8/2022 3:29 pm : link
He’s the lead voice within the organization. I believe any GM that comes in will need Judges blessing. Joe Judge is an elite head coach.
RE: RE: If there is any merit to this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/8/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15535897 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 15535892 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.



Or that he'll be fired with a new GM either this season or next.


Certainly could be. I don't want him influencing the roster this draft which is why I want a new GM. I was suggesting he feels he can influence Abrams to forcing something to try and achieve a short term result. This draft is critical to set the stage for 2023.
RE: Joe Judge is going nowhere  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15535913 GiantsFan42 said:
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He’s the lead voice within the organization. I believe any GM that comes in will need Judges blessing. Joe Judge is an elite head coach.


Yes, Mrs. Judge. Or P-Dot. Or Hanlon on his now 12th Scotch. Or Pettit.
RE: If Mara promotes Abrams and Judge is retained...  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/8/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15535866 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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For the love of God...what are we doing?


It will confirm the current John Mara is a Manchurian clone planted by Jerry Jones to destroy the Giants. The real John Mara was kidnapped and is being held somewhere in JerryWorld. Probably frozen in carbonite.
Looking for reasons to retain Judge  
JonC : 1/8/2022 3:38 pm : link
and promote Abrams are two classic examples of the issues at the top of the leadership ranks. Of course Judge is trying to find and manipulate a path forward that preserves him as HC.

But, we know it's likely Mara is trying to exactly that, and perhaps the recent Judge rant and external pressure will help push for broader changes.
This  
BigBlueinDE : 1/8/2022 3:39 pm : link
isn't surprising, but I'm still inclined to think he'll be back in 22. Truthfully, I'd like to see what he can do with better personnel and a front office that doesn't miss as bad and as frequently on picks as the Giants have the past few years.
RE: If there is any merit to this  
GMen72 : 1/8/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15535892 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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it is probably that Judge feels he maybe can influence Abrams to build the team the way he wants.


All special teams players? The guy sucks...why would anyone want him building a roster?
Let's look at it from this side-  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2022 3:40 pm : link
Judge gets Mara to make Abrams GM. With Abrams in that role and nothing changed, the Giants have another shitty draft and FA period. The team will still suck. So Judge buys a year and then gets fired. If he wants to stay long-term, he's better off with an outside GM and new scouting dept, not with Abrams.
Asinine, more like  
lugnut : 1/8/2022 3:40 pm : link
There is no way Judge is approaching Mara and slavishly saying please please I will work with Kevin if you let me keep my job. I mean, really? I’m sure he hasn’t had the presumption to say/ask anything about his future. He is 100% focused on games — he may not know WTF he is doing in them, but I’ll give him credit for that.
RE: Joe Judge is going nowhere  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2022 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15535913 GiantsFan42 said:
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He’s the lead voice within the organization. I believe any GM that comes in will need Judges blessing. Joe Judge is an elite head coach.

I don’t think elite means what you think it does.

Also, why have you not been banned yet?
A decision really should be made already  
Sean : 1/8/2022 3:41 pm : link
Does winning a 9-6 game against WFT on Sunday really tip the scales for Judge?
RE: Looking for reasons to retain Judge  
Essex : 1/8/2022 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15535926 JonC said:
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and promote Abrams are two classic examples of the issues at the top of the leadership ranks. Of course Judge is trying to find and manipulate a path forward that preserves him as HC.

But, we know it's likely Mara is trying to exactly that, and perhaps the recent Judge rant and external pressure will help push for broader changes.


I passed along the info because I got it from a credible source. But I still can’t think Mara would be this dumb to do this. This would lead to a revolt. That Judge thinks this is his best option (if my info is accurate) speaks volumes about how dumb Mara is
Good.  
Producer : 1/8/2022 3:46 pm : link
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RE: RE: Judge’s press conferences, post-Garret, have been weird…  
Scooter185 : 1/8/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15535889 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15535881 sb from NYT Forum said:


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…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.



The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.


Harbaugh
I think it's important to say this...  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 3:52 pm : link
Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.

But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.
Good news  
bleedgiantsblue : 1/8/2022 3:56 pm : link
Thanks.

RE: A decision really should be made already  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15535936 Sean said:
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Does winning a 9-6 game against WFT on Sunday really tip the scales for Judge?


Sean, we know how much Mara puts on late season wins. It is further evidence he's an incompetent clown.
RE: RE: RE: Judge’s press conferences, post-Garret, have been weird…  
Mike in NY : 1/8/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15535954 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15535889 Mike in NY said:


Quote:


In comment 15535881 sb from NYT Forum said:


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…and completely divorced from reality, but in the past two weeks I think he embarrassed the franchise. So I am not surprised to hear he is not safe.



The problem is who is the replacement? Would Mara want to chance it with another first time Head Coach hire? The retread class is not exactly that enthralling even if Fangio and Zimmer are let go.



Harbaugh


I do not think he would want to answer to Mara extended family after the issues he had in SF. For all of his success, his tenure with Michigan is the longest he has stayed in one position and he was on the hot seat prior to this year because they were not winning big games.
Essex  
Big d E 2 : 1/8/2022 4:00 pm : link
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately even though Judge talks a good game.....he is not a NFL quality coach. Let's hope your information is correct.
Here  
AcidTest : 1/8/2022 4:02 pm : link
is what is going to happen:

Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.

Giants 45 WFT 10.

Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.

Book it.
Based on  
Bones : 1/8/2022 4:03 pm : link
Judges behavior in front of the press lately, I’m not convinced Judge wants to continue to coach this Giants.
I'm sure Gettleman is being scapegoated  
fkap : 1/8/2022 4:05 pm : link
he's a goner. Everyone has known that for a while.

IF Judge and Abrams have a good working relationship, it makes sense that they would make a pitch that DG was the issue, together we (J/A) have a plan to make things better. Even if neither are on the hotseat, and they truly believe this line, it is a logical pitch to make.

OR, they could be making the pitch out of self preservation, making a pact to stick together and try to navigate the turbulent waters. Again, it is a logical pitch to make.

Any way you slice it, change is afoot and the main players should be giving input. I don't want a coach who locks his doors and only studies x's and o's. I want a coach who looks to help put together a good team he can work with. You can call it good business, or desperation depending on the spin you want to put on it, but giving input is the smart play either way.

The wildcard is whether the Maras are smart enough to see merit in the plan if it is a good plan, or to see through bullshit. Right now, the reading is that they (Maras) are incompetent on the football side, so whatever course of action they take will only succeed due to luck, not skill.
Essex  
Pascal4554 : 1/8/2022 4:07 pm : link
Thanks for sharing.
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