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Asshat info: Judge not safe

Essex : 1/8/2022 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).

I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info
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If Mara is truly basing his entire decision  
moespree : 1/8/2022 4:08 pm : link
On a meaningless final game and not placing more emphasis on the entire 2 years as a whole...then the franchise is screwed and it doesn't really matter what he does.
Best case scenario for Judge  
AdamBrag : 1/8/2022 4:09 pm : link
is that Abrams is the GM. Judge then becomes the coach and shadow GM.

I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.

RE: Best case scenario for Judge  
blueblood : 1/8/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15535987 AdamBrag said:
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is that Abrams is the GM. Judge then becomes the coach and shadow GM.




exactly
Mara always wanted this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/8/2022 4:11 pm : link
He does not have to navigate what would be the very difficult situation with his brother and nephew Tim. Someone said on here Tim is trying to move up the chain. We have no idea how Wellington left things. John may serve in his role but don't be surprised if there is a way where a family vote of some kind could oust him.
I was trying to bridge  
JonC : 1/8/2022 4:14 pm : link
some of the cognitive dissonance in the thread.
Thank you Essex  
DonnieD89 : 1/8/2022 4:15 pm : link
What you have heard from your source is still news and an update. This news is more like a setup as too whether we will know if Mara is actually that dumb in giving Abrams the GM job. It’s a story within itself.
RE: Best case scenario for Judge  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15535987 AdamBrag said:
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is that Abrams is the GM. Judge then becomes the coach and shadow GM.

I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.


Certainly hope not. We need a GM that focuses on his job. and coach does the same.
RE: If Mara is truly basing his entire decision  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15535983 moespree said:
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On a meaningless final game and not placing more emphasis on the entire 2 years as a whole...then the franchise is screwed and it doesn't really matter what he does.


Mara makes a common mistake many BBIers do - thinking that something good from the current year will convey to the next year.
Not  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 4:23 pm : link
buying it
Thanks for info Essex.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2022 4:23 pm : link
Don't listen to the morons trying to shut you down because the info you have isn't what they want to hear.

the rant is  
bc4life : 1/8/2022 4:24 pm : link
the last straw - ok
Joe Must Go  
jeff57 : 1/8/2022 4:32 pm : link
.
I said this very  
BigBlueJ : 1/8/2022 4:35 pm : link
thing on this board a few weeks ago.
The rant was a really bad look  
JonC : 1/8/2022 4:40 pm : link
it could help grease the track.
Judge should not be fired this week....  
EricJ : 1/8/2022 4:41 pm : link
Firing him OR deciding to keep him right now is counter to what we should be doing.

The only logical move here is to find the best GM possible. Then, let that guy decide whether Judge coaches this team next year without Mara's input

Anything short of that is nothing more than continued meddling my Mara.
RE: The rant was a really bad look  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15536025 JonC said:
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it could help grease the track.


Yes, but I would change rant to rants.

Sunday wasn't a one-timer. There have been a few. Sunday's rant just brought this situation to a boil.
RE: Asshat  
NJBlueTuna : 1/8/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15535869 ChicagoMarty said:
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please spell out in detail exactly what information you got and let us decide whether your conclusion is accurate.

Thank you


This was the funniest reply I have seen in years. Are you under the age of 18 or drunk?

I think  
Scooter185 : 1/8/2022 4:45 pm : link
Your source may be on to something here, Essex
RE: Thanks for info Essex.  
HomerJones45 : 1/8/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15536005 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Don't listen to the morons trying to shut you down because the info you have isn't what they want to hear.
+1. And thank you
RE: Best case scenario for Judge  
AcidTest : 1/8/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15535987 AdamBrag said:
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is that Abrams is the GM. Judge then becomes the coach and shadow GM.

I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.


Agreed, but I hope it doesn't happen.
RE: Here  
BillKo : 1/8/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15535976 AcidTest said:
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is what is going to happen:

Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.

Giants 45 WFT 10.

Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.

Book it.


You're delusional.

Mara deserves blame, but a win in an empty stadium between two teams with backups going no where is not anything to build a case on.
Any GM that would actually  
Giants73 : 1/8/2022 4:55 pm : link
Want to keep Judge, should not be considered because it is a sure sign they are clueless.
RE: I think it's important to say this...  
BillKo : 1/8/2022 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15535956 bw in dc said:
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.

But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.


Which prove the point you won't be happy until, well, you're happy. And the Giants are winning again.

Because even if you agree with the decisions they make - whatever that is - if the team still fails you'll ultimately blame Mara.

They love Judge  
Ron Johnson : 1/8/2022 4:59 pm : link
He gets one more year. The problem for Judge is, the roster will only be marginally better if at all. If the Giants coach next year wins 8 games they should get coach of the year.
RE: I think that is pretty logical  
giantstock : 1/8/2022 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15535867 Sean said:
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Why wouldn’t Judge want Abrams? He knows him, from all reports he gets along well with him & Abrams likely would be content with Judge.

Why would Judge want an outside GM with no ties to him? I wouldn’t make much of this.


+1
I will give the Giants this.  
St. Jimmy : 1/8/2022 5:06 pm : link
They have a front office and coaching staff filled with literal asshats.
RE: RE: Here  
AcidTest : 1/8/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15536036 BillKo said:
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In comment 15535976 AcidTest said:


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is what is going to happen:

Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.

Giants 45 WFT 10.

Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.

Book it.



You're delusional.

Mara deserves blame, but a win in an empty stadium between two teams with backups going no where is not anything to build a case on.


I was being sarcastic.
RE: Here  
M.S. : 1/8/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15535976 AcidTest said:
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is what is going to happen:

Fromm: 32/38 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Barkley: 2 TDs, 175 yards rushing.
Golladay: 11 receptions, 155 yards receiving, 2 TDs.

Giants 45 WFT 10.

Mara cites our "strong finish" as a rational for keeping Judge and promoting Abrams to GM.

Book it.

The team ran up the white flag weeks ago. It’ll take a huge effort just to get them out of the locker room tomorrow.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 5:18 pm : link
Acid was being sarcastic. You could see it a mile away.
bw  
JonC : 1/8/2022 5:21 pm : link
Agree.
Judge and Abrams  
Archer : 1/8/2022 5:24 pm : link
I highly doubt that Judge is canvassing for any GM at this point
He has his own issues to deal with

RE: Could it be that john mara  
GiantGolfer : 1/8/2022 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15535900 thrunthrublue said:
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Is dyslexic? He can’t understand why snaf are upset over a 13 and 4 season?


I see what you did there…
I find it hilarious  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/8/2022 6:03 pm : link
That Abrams is being talked about as being promoted. He should have been fired when Reese went. He has been here through all of this garbage. How is he still employed here?
RE: I find it hilarious  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15536137 Doubledeuce22 said:
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That Abrams is being talked about as being promoted. He should have been fired when Reese went. He has been here through all of this garbage. How is he still employed here?


"Loyalty" and laziness.
If Judge’s position is reduced to such efforts  
UberAlias : 1/8/2022 6:12 pm : link
I’ll take it as a very good sign.
RE: At this point  
CSully1111 : 1/8/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15535887 ghost718 said:
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I wouldn't buy a 12 pack of Gatorade Fruit Punch off Judge

He probably was scouring the internet and saw Kevin Abrams mentioned in a discussion.


….I might if it was Gatorade zero. Can’t get it anywhere. Just saying.
ASSHAT --- As Soon as you stated  
couchcoach100 : 1/8/2022 6:57 pm : link
"Asshat info: Judge not safe
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).

I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"

A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.

Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.

So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.
RE: I think it's important to say this...  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/8/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15535956 bw in dc said:
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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.

But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.


Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.
RE: ASSHAT --- As Soon as you stated  
Scooter185 : 1/8/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15536227 couchcoach100 said:
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"Asshat info: Judge not safe
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).

I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"

A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.

Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.

So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.


Someone doesn't know how sources work
RE: RE: I think it's important to say this...  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15536228 Doubledeuce22 said:
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In comment 15535956 bw in dc said:


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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.

But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.



Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.


I’m bot sure if you understand. Doing the cap is not deciding who gets paid or how much they get paid or how long a contract is. Those are
Parameters that are given to the cap person to structure in a contract. To keep track of space and have scenarios when money needs to be found.

It’s not a decision making position, or even an evaluation position

I don’t think he should get elevated but I think there is a misconception as to what the cap manager does
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 7:07 pm : link
From all accounts, Mara wants to promote Abrams to GM...ya know, a man who has had a hand in this decade long fiasco.

Completely insane. Delusional. But 'Giants Family' or whatever...who cares about the results?
RE: ASSHAT --- As Soon as you stated  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15536227 couchcoach100 said:
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"Asshat info: Judge not safe
Essex : 2:52 pm
Get this—Judge is trying to sell Mara’s on a Kevin Abrams pairing. When I heard, at first, I was like wtf? But it makes sense, if you are in trouble, you try to get Mara’s to do what you want them to do and they want to promote Abrams (whether they will is another story).

I heard this from reliable source, but all the caveats apply with any asshat info"

A reliable source but FAILED to mention a name that in and of itself immediately says to me BULLSHIT he making this shit up and knows absolutely nothing as to what he or she is talking about.

Infact NO ONE KNOWS outside of the few select Front Office personal know what the NY Giants are going to do with Gettleman Judge Abrams Petit or for Gods sake even Chris Mara.

So pleas stop trying to make anyone believe that you are some special person with insider information on what the n Giants are going to do.


Get lost with this take. He heard something and passed it along. Things are very fluid right now, all he said was Judge wants to work with Abrams but isn’t safe.

And you’re also wrong because we’ve had 3-4 posters who consistently hear things that typically check out.

I’ve heard most of the organization hates Judge and his people leaked the Christmas donations to get him good PR. Thats when I figured he was feeling heat.

After his comments the last 2 weeks, especially on WFT, if they get badly blown out i really think he gets canned. Would be a brutal look for the organization.
RE: ...  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15536247 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
[quote] From all accounts, Mara wants to promote Abrams to GM...

It’s not ALL accounts. There are SOME reports that he wanted to promote Abrams. Most of those reports also say he knows that’s not tenable and will go outside the org. Regardless it’s all speculation.

Personally I seriously doubt Kevin gets promoted. I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t fired but he is not the next GM. nor should he be
RE: Best case scenario for Judge  
FStubbs : 1/8/2022 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15535987 AdamBrag said:
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is that Abrams is the GM. Judge then becomes the coach and shadow GM.

I suspect this is how things actually operated last season where Judge ran the draft and most of the off season signings and Abrams figured out how to fit it all under the cap.


I think you've misidentified the shadow GM in that scenario, it's Chris Mara.
RE: RE: I think it's important to say this...  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15536228 Doubledeuce22 said:
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In comment 15535956 bw in dc said:


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Abrams may actually be the answer at GM.

But because you can't trust virtually any decision Mara makes anymore, the default position of not buying Abrams as the answer is more than reasonable.



Give me one reason that Abrams could be the answer here. He has been by the side of Reese and Gettleman. He is just as responsible for the mess that they’re in right now as either of them. What has Abrams done well? The cap, that he’s apparently a guru with, will be in an all time worst shape this off-season.


I really don't want to defend Abrams on any level. The entire organization needs to be turned over as far as I'm concerned.

But his voice could be getting lost in the sauce with so many other bigger voices - Gettleman, Judge, Maras, Pettit, McDonnell, etc. So, I really have no idea what skills Abrams might have if given full reign. Yet, you can't give him the benefit of the doubt because the organization is polluted that you have to assume he's bad, too.
Yae OK  
couchcoach100 : 1/8/2022 7:46 pm : link
LOL --- Listen I know EXACTLY what a reliable source is and if the source is reliable than they would have no problem being quoted WITH THEIR NAME.

Problem is that most reliable UNNAMED SOURCES or ask to NOT have their name used are bullshitting and flat out lieing.
Wow did I hit a Nerve with you  
couchcoach100 : 1/8/2022 7:52 pm : link
Get lost with this take. He heard something and passed it along. Things are very fluid right now, all he said was Judge wants to work with Abrams but isn’t safe.

"And you’re also wrong because we’ve had 3-4 posters who consistently hear things that typically check out.

I’ve heard most of the organization hates Judge and his people leaked the Christmas donations to get him good PR. Thats when I figured he was feeling heat.

After his comments the last 2 weeks, especially on WFT, if they get badly blown out i really think he gets canned. Would be a brutal look for the organization."

Dude I have no idea why your so angry, Im just saying in MY EXPERIENCE "reliable Sources" with out a name are just bullshit with no fact behind it.

If the Soiurce is so reliable and the Information is the truth than why not go all the way and say the name and be quoted with the statement you say is the truth.

Like I said if it is so "Reliable" Why are you hiding? Why not be named? So I take "Reliable Sources" with BULLSHIT id you cant stand by what your saying than dont say it
RE: Yae OK  
bw in dc : 1/8/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15536330 couchcoach100 said:
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LOL --- Listen I know EXACTLY what a reliable source is and if the source is reliable than they would have no problem being quoted WITH THEIR NAME.



Anonymous sources have been an integral part of the press, and reporting stories accurately, for a long, long time.
RE: Yae OK  
BigBlueJ : 1/8/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15536330 couchcoach100 said:
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LOL --- Listen I know EXACTLY what a reliable source is and if the source is reliable than they would have no problem being quoted WITH THEIR NAME.

Problem is that most reliable UNNAMED SOURCES or ask to NOT have their name used are bullshitting and flat out lieing.


Are you new here?
RE: RE: Joe Judge is going nowhere  
SMitch-56 : 1/8/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15535935 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15535913 GiantsFan42 said:


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He’s the lead voice within the organization. I believe any GM that comes in will need Judges blessing. Joe Judge is an elite head coach.


I don’t think elite means what you think it does.

Also, why have you not been banned yet?


He’s just putting cheese out there at this point. Especially classless, if an inside troll.
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