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robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 5:23 pm
I don't get this. I understand that the Giants are showing Gettleman respect by allowing him to retire and don't want it to he a distraction during the season. With that said, what is the alternative? The alternative is hiring a GM and then potentially hiring a new but losing out on candidates and time.

Seriously, why is it hard to do what is in the best interest of the NYG? Any proper GM search should take weeks if not months and be an exhaustive list of candidates. Interviewing like 4 people doesn't cut it. That's part of the problem. How many people did we interview when Reese was fired? How many people were interviewed when Coughlin was fired? McAdoo? Shurmur? Our lists never look good at all. This supposed short list Mara would have in his desk is a joke.

Ok, let Dave go off into the sunset on his terms. Fine. But how long is this process going to take? We have to have shit in place for the offseason with the senior bowl, combine, etc. We need to have time to evaluate our systems. We need time to hire a coach. We need time to hire assistant coaches. What is the benefit of waiting? When you really look at it, who gives a shit if Gettleman was a distraction during the season? If you want a GM to truly evaluate the current HC then why not try to get a guy in here while Judge is actually, you know, cosching? None of this makes sense. Well, actually it does.
Timing on the Giants Part  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 5:23 pm : link
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Yes it does  
JonC : 1/8/2022 5:24 pm : link
if you consider the past ten years worth of decisions etc. Here's hoping it shifts dramatically.
question  
GiantsFan84 : 1/8/2022 5:35 pm : link
couldn't dave have just "retired" weeks ago? would this have allowed them to get a head start on the GM search?
When you have clowns running the shop...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 5:36 pm : link
You get a clownish product.
DG’s retirement isn’t news  
BillT : 1/8/2022 5:37 pm : link
Mara certainly has known for a while. I would think he’s been looking at candidates. Maybe even interviewed some? It’s not like coaches. There aren’t league rules about it I don’t think.
Exactly.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 5:37 pm : link
I will bet anything that they didn't want it to be a distraction.
I hope (and think)  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 5:39 pm : link
a lot of work is being done now, anyway, in terms of vetting candidates, making lists, working behind the scenes with agents, setting up interviews etc.

Most of the names on the lists we have seen have jobs with teams that are in contention. I would think they want to focus on the job they have and not be a distraction to the organization they work for now. It could just be the "etiquette" of the NFL. There is also value for a company in acting professionally, with class, and allowing former employees to maintain some dignity.

From a practical stand point, keeping DG employed provides a meat shield. A focal point for the mob.

OTOH, no other team has fired a GM either, so either there is one opening this cycle or NYG is not losing ground in a GM search.

RE: I hope (and think)  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15536099 dancing blue bear said:
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a lot of work is being done now, anyway, in terms of vetting candidates, making lists, working behind the scenes with agents, setting up interviews etc.

Most of the names on the lists we have seen have jobs with teams that are in contention. I would think they want to focus on the job they have and not be a distraction to the organization they work for now. It could just be the "etiquette" of the NFL. There is also value for a company in acting professionally, with class, and allowing former employees to maintain some dignity.

From a practical stand point, keeping DG employed provides a meat shield. A focal point for the mob.

OTOH, no other team has fired a GM either, so either there is one opening this cycle or NYG is not losing ground in a GM search.


Most other organizations aren't in need of a full blown turnover. I like that article above that said Tisch wants the whole organizations evaluated. That should have been happening already.
The retirement thing  
cokeduplt : 1/8/2022 5:48 pm : link
Is just Mara being a coward just like he was with coughlin. Just fire him.
RE: RE: I hope (and think)  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15536103 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15536099 dancing blue bear said:


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a lot of work is being done now, anyway, in terms of vetting candidates, making lists, working behind the scenes with agents, setting up interviews etc.

Most of the names on the lists we have seen have jobs with teams that are in contention. I would think they want to focus on the job they have and not be a distraction to the organization they work for now. It could just be the "etiquette" of the NFL. There is also value for a company in acting professionally, with class, and allowing former employees to maintain some dignity.

From a practical stand point, keeping DG employed provides a meat shield. A focal point for the mob.

OTOH, no other team has fired a GM either, so either there is one opening this cycle or NYG is not losing ground in a GM search.




Most other organizations aren't in need of a full blown turnover. I like that article above that said Tisch wants the whole organizations evaluated. That should have been happening already.


Possibly the Bears. Nagy is gone, Pace TBD

Baalke is supposedly staying, LV...not sure about mayock. not sure if any other GM is on the hot seat.

Last time we started interviewing before the season ended, and that didn't go well. I'd rather wait and have initial interviews with everyone we want, then limit candidates because they are focused on their current job.

If there are no other GM openings this cycle that would be an advantage.

And if keeping judge allows ownership to take the time to do a thorough and comprehensive GM search which results in the best candidate, then in the long run it would be worth it
RE: DG’s retirement isn’t news  
shyster : 1/8/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15536095 BillT said:
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Mara certainly has known for a while. I would think he’s been looking at candidates. Maybe even interviewed some? It’s not like coaches. There aren’t league rules about it I don’t think.


Yes, there are rules for GM search. Both timing and such things as the Rooney requirement, which is now two minority candidates for GM.
I agree - the interview process with EACH candidate  
V.I.G. : 1/8/2022 5:52 pm : link
Should be multiple times, multiple settings, multiple topics

and I’m nervous that waiting this long, the team will sacrifice on either:
-the number of candidates,
-the amount they know about the candidates before coming to a decision,
-or the time the new hire has before the draft and FA
RE: RE: RE: I hope (and think)  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15536112 dancing blue bear said:
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In comment 15536103 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 15536099 dancing blue bear said:


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a lot of work is being done now, anyway, in terms of vetting candidates, making lists, working behind the scenes with agents, setting up interviews etc.

Most of the names on the lists we have seen have jobs with teams that are in contention. I would think they want to focus on the job they have and not be a distraction to the organization they work for now. It could just be the "etiquette" of the NFL. There is also value for a company in acting professionally, with class, and allowing former employees to maintain some dignity.

From a practical stand point, keeping DG employed provides a meat shield. A focal point for the mob.

OTOH, no other team has fired a GM either, so either there is one opening this cycle or NYG is not losing ground in a GM search.




Most other organizations aren't in need of a full blown turnover. I like that article above that said Tisch wants the whole organizations evaluated. That should have been happening already.



Possibly the Bears. Nagy is gone, Pace TBD

Baalke is supposedly staying, LV...not sure about mayock. not sure if any other GM is on the hot seat.

Last time we started interviewing before the season ended, and that didn't go well. I'd rather wait and have initial interviews with everyone we want, then limit candidates because they are focused on their current job.

If there are no other GM openings this cycle that would be an advantage.

And if keeping judge allows ownership to take the time to do a thorough and comprehensive GM search which results in the best candidate, then in the long run it would be worth it


You are confusing starting early with hiring early. How is a new GM going to know to keep Judge if he hasn't seen him in action? Those other teams aren't being torn apart by anonymous sources killing the way their organization is structured. This isn't about hiring a HC and GM. This is about turning over a broken organization. Is the proper time going to be spent on evaluating the organization to see where the flaws are or is the new crew going to have to hit the ground running for the offseason. Valuable time has been wasted for no purpose other than allowing our current GM to not be a distraction.
RE: RE: DG’s retirement isn’t news  
shyster : 1/8/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15536117 shyster said:
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Yes, there are rules for GM search. Both timing and such things as the Rooney requirement, which is now two minority candidates for GM.


As follow up to this point, link is to nj.com article at the time of the Giants last GM search.

Basic principle is that teams are restricted in interviewing GM candidates employed by teams who are still playing.

These rules are subject to being tweaked as league sees fit and a tweak was announced during last year's playoffs allowing some interviews to happen.

nj.com - ( New Window )
I would think any GM candidate  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 6:11 pm : link
has a vision of how they want to run the organization, and a few key pieces they will bring along as lieutenants.

That may include a coach/ coaching staff.

Other then that it's like any other job. learn the people and replace them as you see fit.

It is not realistic to fire everyone from top to bottom in 1 year.



I would assume the Giants have been putting  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2022 6:11 pm : link
out feelers already, and will openly be contacting people as soon as Gettleman says "retire" at the podium. If not, they are derelict beyond the pale.
RE: I agree - the interview process with EACH candidate  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15536121 V.I.G. said:
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Should be multiple times, multiple settings, multiple topics

and I’m nervous that waiting this long, the team will sacrifice on either:
-the number of candidates,
-the amount they know about the candidates before coming to a decision,
-or the time the new hire has before the draft and FA


I get your point, but no one else has started either (that we know of)
RE: RE: RE: DG’s retirement isn’t news  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2022 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15536144 shyster said:
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In comment 15536117 shyster said:


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Yes, there are rules for GM search. Both timing and such things as the Rooney requirement, which is now two minority candidates for GM.



As follow up to this point, link is to nj.com article at the time of the Giants last GM search.

Basic principle is that teams are restricted in interviewing GM candidates employed by teams who are still playing.

These rules are subject to being tweaked as league sees fit and a tweak was announced during last year's playoffs allowing some interviews to happen. nj.com - ( New Window )


Thanks. I cannot see if this was updated but I saw in 2020 potential GMs couldn't be interviewed until after the season if they were employed by a team.
Here is my take on it...  
EricJ : 1/8/2022 6:31 pm : link
First, yes the Giants and Gettleman could have pre-announced that he was going to retire after the season. They could have made that announcement two weeks ago for example.

It would have allowed John Mara to publicly begin interviewing. For all we know, he could be having confidential conversations already.

Next, we all know if there was an announcement, half of the questions Judge would be fielding would be about this other shit. Do you think the new GM will keep you? Are you worried about your job? With the GM getting fired, does this mean the team has failed? On and on..

So, although I also would like to have moved on already as a fan, I understand why they are waiting.
RE: RE: I agree - the interview process with EACH candidate  
V.I.G. : 1/8/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15536157 dancing blue bear said:
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In comment 15536121 V.I.G. said:


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Should be multiple times, multiple settings, multiple topics

and I’m nervous that waiting this long, the team will sacrifice on either:
-the number of candidates,
-the amount they know about the candidates before coming to a decision,
-or the time the new hire has before the draft and FA



I get your point, but no one else has started either (that we know of)


True. Just saying it makes me nervous. We’ve seen what happens when they don’t have a thorough process.
It Hiring a New GM Could Take Months,  
clatterbuck : 1/8/2022 7:16 pm : link
this mitigates toward keeping Judge for at least another year. Potential HCs likely aren't going to wait that long.
Unless the Maras decide that Judge himself is a complete embarrassment  
Ivan15 : 1/8/2022 9:43 pm : link
- not just the football team but him - Judge will remain head coach and a new GM will be hired. Abrams will be interim GM in the interim which could last until June. That’s the reality, because I don’t think Mara considers Judge to be that bad yet.
If Judge is gone..  
Sean : 1/8/2022 9:46 pm : link
A lot of these prospective GM’s already have potential coaches in mind to work with. Add in any conversations through back channels, it probably isn’t that big of a deal.
Rumor has it  
Joe Beckwith : 1/9/2022 12:27 am : link
that Pace might get kicked upstairs, so Chicago may be in the GM market in either case.
And Dodds already rode us off since we are a top to bottom mess, especially top.
On minority GM candidates, I’d be surprised of McClay even interviewed here. But then again I’m surprised they let Kellen Moore interview for Jacksonville HC.
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