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La Canfora: Tisch wants thorough review of organization

Sean : 1/8/2022 5:37 pm
I know, consider the source.
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Giants owner John Mara has continued to vouch for head coach Joe Judge, but each week has brought another self-made controversy, and fan and media sentiment is largely against keeping Judge on for a third season. Furthermore, sources said minority owner Steve Tisch has long been in support of a thorough review of the entire organization, including the head coach, and has been open to making changes beyond just the general manager position, where sources have maintained for weeks that Dave Gettleman will not return.

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Steve Tisch...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 5:39 pm : link
Throwing on hero cape?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
RE: Steve Tisch...  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/8/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15536098 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Throwing on hero cape?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!


YES:)
If he cares at all this is long over due  
CV36 : 1/8/2022 5:45 pm : link
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Me too.  
St. Jimmy : 1/8/2022 5:47 pm : link
I think they should have to go in front of Congress.
I generally disregard anything the comes from LaCanfora  
truebluelarry : 1/8/2022 5:47 pm : link
but I hope this is true.

Steve Tisch needs to reprise the 1978-79 Tim Mara role and save the Giants org from itself.
don't hold your breath  
GiantsFan84 : 1/8/2022 5:52 pm : link
if you're waiting on tisch to be the hero
Tisch family is not a minority owner , it’s 50/50  
morrison40 : 1/8/2022 5:54 pm : link

Steve Tisch has been involved with the New York Giants since his father, Preston Robert Tisch, purchased 50 percent of the franchise in 1991. In 2005, Steve was named Executive Vice President, and with the passing of his father that year, he assumed the additional title of Chairman.
Great to hear this kind of talk  
Mad Mike : 1/8/2022 5:56 pm : link
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In fact, multiple NFL sources have told SNY that they believe Steve Tisch, the co-owner of the Giants, is "very frustrated" with the current direction of his organization and will push for sweeping changes when he meets with co-owner John Mara after the season finale on Sunday.

Oh, except that's from Dec 2019. Tisch saying he's going to get involved is little reason for optimism. Either the owners are jointly going to recognize they need to turn the reins fully over or they're not. Tisch has demonstrated in the past that he views change in the same small steps Mara does. All we can hope for is that after 2 more years of lousy football they're finally ready to get serious. But don't kind yourself that Tisch being "open to making changes" is an indication of a break from the same old same old for the franchise.
Geez I hope this is true and it happens  
Rick in Dallas : 1/8/2022 5:59 pm : link
It’s what we all wanted this off-season
can someone post the pic  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 5:59 pm : link
of tisch making out with the babysitter in the owners box...


He will be involved in the GM search/ hiring process. I'm not sure why anyone has faith in him. He's a trust fund baby, too....no?
I hope  
Costy16 : 1/8/2022 6:02 pm : link
He tells him to get the rest of his family out of anything football related.
Thank the lord  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/8/2022 6:08 pm : link
I think we all knew that Tisch was going to have to step in to get this thing right. Mara is simply not capable of being progressive with the times. Push on Tisch and clean house. All of them go.
I’d click the link if it wasn’t La Canfora  
aimrocky : 1/8/2022 6:10 pm : link
I refuse to give him my clicks
Hopefully Tisch feels Petit is a douche bag like most do  
The_Boss : 1/8/2022 6:12 pm : link
And insists he get taken out with the garbage (Dave) on Monday
Sort of like the Wellington /Tim Mara  
jeff57 : 1/8/2022 6:12 pm : link
Tift of 1978/1979.
So if Tisch has wanted a review for "a long time"  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2022 6:13 pm : link
and it hasn't happened, what does that say about his ability to change things?
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/8/2022 6:15 pm : link
John Mara: "We've conducted a thorough review of the organization and determined that the people we favor are not the problem."
RE: Hopefully Tisch feels Petit is a douche bag like most do  
dancing blue bear : 1/8/2022 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15536153 The_Boss said:
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And insists he get taken out with the garbage (Dave) on Monday


Petit and Konz are gone with a new gm. douchbag or not, competent or not. A mew Gm will have his own "braintrust" for decision making.

The scouts will most likely stay until the draft (and then be evaluated)
LOL!  
vonritz : 1/8/2022 6:21 pm : link
The yearly Tisch to the rescue story where all the BBIers get excited... and then Tisch, as usual, will do nothing.
Well, Mara’s side of the Football Operation  
Simms11 : 1/8/2022 6:29 pm : link
is affecting Tisch’s side too!
RE: So if Tisch has wanted a review for  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15536156 Bill in UT said:
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and it hasn't happened, what does that say about his ability to change things?


I don't think he's ever had the ability to change things, tbh.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 6:31 pm : link
'Absurd. Judge is the best head coach in the NFL other than BB & this current roster has @ least 5 HOFers on it.'-GiantFan42.
I hope you guys all realize that this is all a smoke screen...  
EricJ : 1/8/2022 6:34 pm : link
any tidbit of information we receive is carefully crafted and planted into the media by the Giants.
Bah Gawd  
illmatic : 1/8/2022 6:35 pm : link


Here comes Stone Cold Steve Tisch to save the day
RE: Tisch family is not a minority owner , it’s 50/50  
shyster : 1/8/2022 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15536123 morrison40 said:
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Steve Tisch has been involved with the New York Giants since his father, Preston Robert Tisch, purchased 50 percent of the franchise in 1991. In 2005, Steve was named Executive Vice President, and with the passing of his father that year, he assumed the additional title of Chairman.


It's remarkable that a professional reporter could be so mistaken about this fundamental fact of NYG ownership.

Comes down to laziness. John Mara goes to the owners' meetings and acts like an owner, so he must be the majority owner, right?

Gong, wrong.

La Canfora doesn't offer an email address. Someone with a twitter account could instruct him on his error.

If you further informed JLC that John Mara actually only owns 4.5% of the Giants because he shares the Mara family's 50% with 10 siblings, and that Steve Tisch also shares his family's ownership with siblings, his head would probably explode.

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Tisch: "I want a thorough review of the organization"  
JohnF : 1/8/2022 6:42 pm : link
John Mara: "Sure thing! Ernie, can you review things?"

Ernie Accorsi: "Just went through the whole thing, John. Everything is fine! You have a great foundation, just give it a few more years!"
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 6:42 pm : link
It is so fucking said that Steve Fucking Tisch-who is out in LA- might realize how bad things are & Mara doesn't.

People on this fucking website know this organization needs a massive reboot & apparently the owner who runs the football side wants to promote Abrams & keep Judge, but probably won't because of the public reaction? JFC John. Are you THIS fucking dumb?
Tisch runs the business-MARA runs football  
GiantsFan42 : 1/8/2022 6:44 pm : link
Football decisions will always be made by the family.
RE: LOL!  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2022 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15536168 vonritz said:
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The yearly Tisch to the rescue story where all the BBIers get excited... and then Tisch, as usual, will do nothing.


^^^THIS^^^^
RE: Steve Tisch...  
BMac : 1/8/2022 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15536098 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Throwing on hero cape?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!


Tisch appears on the sideline, wearing a Superman outfit, accompanied by LT. After game, LT is announced as the new GM and director of football operations. Team proceeds to bottom-feed for another 10 years. At age 82, Tom Coughlin is brought in to right the ship. Ship sinks; NY Giants become the Meadowlands Redskins.
RE: RE: LOL!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2022 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15536208 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15536168 vonritz said:


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The yearly Tisch to the rescue story where all the BBIers get excited... and then Tisch, as usual, will do nothing.



^^^THIS^^^^


Yeah, in all likelihood that's true. But fuck it...I'm clinging to this news because it's a shred of hope.
RE: LOL!  
cokeduplt : 1/8/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15536168 vonritz said:
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The yearly Tisch to the rescue story where all the BBIers get excited... and then Tisch, as usual, will do nothing.



Yup he will do nothing
Locanfora  
Giants86 : 1/8/2022 7:10 pm : link
Useless
Wasnt last time reported he was unhappy  
Festina Lente : 1/8/2022 7:12 pm : link
Because he felt "embarrassed" that his team stunk in front of his friends in Hollywood? I don't know anything about him or how much he actually cares about the football
I hate this whole franchise  
Jints in Carolina : 1/8/2022 7:25 pm : link
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RE: RE: Tisch family is not a minority owner , it’s 50/50  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15536201 shyster said:
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In comment 15536123 morrison40 said:


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Steve Tisch has been involved with the New York Giants since his father, Preston Robert Tisch, purchased 50 percent of the franchise in 1991. In 2005, Steve was named Executive Vice President, and with the passing of his father that year, he assumed the additional title of Chairman.



It's remarkable that a professional reporter could be so mistaken about this fundamental fact of NYG ownership.

Comes down to laziness. John Mara goes to the owners' meetings and acts like an owner, so he must be the majority owner, right?

Gong, wrong.

La Canfora doesn't offer an email address. Someone with a twitter account could instruct him on his error.

If you further informed JLC that John Mara actually only owns 4.5% of the Giants because he shares the Mara family's 50% with 10 siblings, and that Steve Tisch also shares his family's ownership with siblings, his head would probably explode.

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The percentages aren't the deciding factor. Yes, he shares 50% with the rest of the Mara family. John is the one with the title. They do not have a conference call with all Maras on the line in order to make decisions. It's John's job. Tisch is involved in some things, not daily operations.
RE: RE: Steve Tisch...  
FStubbs : 1/8/2022 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15536210 BMac said:
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In comment 15536098 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Throwing on hero cape?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!



Tisch appears on the sideline, wearing a Superman outfit, accompanied by LT. After game, LT is announced as the new GM and director of football operations. Team proceeds to bottom-feed for another 10 years. At age 82, Tom Coughlin is brought in to right the ship. Ship sinks; NY Giants become the Meadowlands Redskins.


That's Snyder's MO.

The "thorough review" would be conducted by Tim McDonnell and he will conclude the guys that need to be gone don't need to go.
RE: RE: RE: Tisch family is not a minority owner , it’s 50/50  
shyster : 1/8/2022 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15536300 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The percentages aren't the deciding factor. Yes, he shares 50% with the rest of the Mara family. John is the one with the title. They do not have a conference call with all Maras on the line in order to make decisions. It's John's job. Tisch is involved in some things, not daily operations.


Understanding the actual ownership situation is pertinent for certain purposes. Issues are potentially being raised that go beyond how daily football decisions are currently being made.

For one thing, John is approaching 70 years old, isn't going to live forever, and succession plans have no doubt been considered. Understanding the actual nature of the ownership situation is pertinent to understanding where things are likely to go and who is likely to take his place.

Haven't seen a beat reporter demonstrate that understanding and JLC's mistake is significantly worse than average.
Here’s my analysis  
eric2425ny : 1/8/2022 7:45 pm : link
The team sucks. Players, coaches, scouts, GM, and owners. Probably didn’t want to hear the last part of that lol.
If any of you go to this shitshow  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/8/2022 7:47 pm : link
of a game, just boo the whole time.

I don't know what it will do. How can we nationally embarrass Mara? That's what it'll take for change unfortunately.

Uh oh  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 7:50 pm : link
Chris Mara is in trouble...
Does this review consist of John giving Steve an org chart  
widmerseyebrow : 1/8/2022 8:15 pm : link
without the names Chris Mara and Tim McDonnel on it?
RE: Does this review consist of John giving Steve an org chart  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15536392 widmerseyebrow said:
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without the names Chris Mara and Tim McDonnel on it?


Moreso they are up for promotions...
Ten Ton and Shyster and those others that recognize…  
richynyc : 1/8/2022 9:13 pm : link
That ownership percentage, even being 50-50 between the Mara’s and the Tisch’s, gives us no inkling about what the operating agreement dictates as to operational control. My uneducated guess is that when Steve Tisch signed on as a co-owner 25-30 years ago with no football experience he may very well have agreed to a minority voice in football operations.

If and when the Tisch’s tire of of being affiliated with a loser franchise and they have no legal power to overturn the Mara’s in their operational control of the football operations, one might think they might want to force a sale of their 50% interest. After all, by several accounts the Giants franchise is one of the top five most valuable sports franchises in the world. Worth an estimated $4.5+ billion.

But then again, the devil is in the details. Often privately-held companies have buy-sell agreements with the party desiring to sell their interest granting their co-owners the right-of-first-refusal to purchase the selling party’s interest before offering it for sale to a third party. So if the Tisch’s wanted to sell to rid themselves of the the stench of Giant’s ownership while making a 10x profit or more, the Mara’s may well have the right to buy the Tisch’s interest should they be able to finance such an acquisition , and then the Mara’s would have regained total ownership and control of our beloved NY Giants football franchise.

I was once a lawyer a long time ago, and not a very good one at that, so I may be completely off base. If that helps any of us Giants fans sleep any better.
RE: Ten Ton and Shyster and those others that recognize…  
Ivan15 : 1/8/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15536493 richynyc said:
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That ownership percentage, even being 50-50 between the Mara’s and the Tisch’s, gives us no inkling about what the operating agreement dictates as to operational control. My uneducated guess is that when Steve Tisch signed on as a co-owner 25-30 years ago with no football experience he may very well have agreed to a minority voice in football operations.

If and when the Tisch’s tire of of being affiliated with a loser franchise and they have no legal power to overturn the Mara’s in their operational control of the football operations, one might think they might want to force a sale of their 50% interest. After all, by several accounts the Giants franchise is one of the top five most valuable sports franchises in the world. Worth an estimated $4.5+ billion.

But then again, the devil is in the details. Often privately-held companies have buy-sell agreements with the party desiring to sell their interest granting their co-owners the right-of-first-refusal to purchase the selling party’s interest before offering it for sale to a third party. So if the Tisch’s wanted to sell to rid themselves of the the stench of Giant’s ownership while making a 10x profit or more, the Mara’s may well have the right to buy the Tisch’s interest should they be able to finance such an acquisition , and then the Mara’s would have regained total ownership and control of our beloved NY Giants football franchise.

I was once a lawyer a long time ago, and not a very good one at that, so I may be completely off base. If that helps any of us Giants fans sleep any better.

I think Robert Tisch bought Tim Mara’s share 30 years ago - not Steve Tisch who inherited the deal is father struck. Robert Tisch was not an idiot in the entertainment industry, so I’m sure he retained enough leverage to request a thorough review of the organization at any time.
Upon further inquiry I see that Steve Tisch bought their family’s…  
richynyc : 1/8/2022 9:42 pm : link
50% ownership of our beloved Big Blue in 1991 for $80,000,000. So we’re they want to sell their interest now it would represent not a 10-fold profit but more like a 30-fold profit, unless the team has been leveraged. But such an enormous LT capital gain might weigh in any decision by the Tisch’s not to sell, unless they gave offsetting capital losses. So maybe the Tisch’s hang in for a while more.

Then again, once one has perhaps made 30x their money on their investment, paying taxes on it to be able to save with face your NY and Hollywood friends without embarrassment might be worthwhile. After all, let’s face it, it’s not about the money for the Tisch’s at this point.
RE: RE: LOL!  
Justlurking : 1/8/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15536208 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15536168 vonritz said:


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The yearly Tisch to the rescue story where all the BBIers get excited... and then Tisch, as usual, will do nothing.



^^^THIS^^^^


Sadly true
RE: Upon further inquiry I see that Steve Tisch bought their family’s…  
shyster : 1/8/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15536519 richynyc said:
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50% ownership of our beloved Big Blue in 1991 for $80,000,000. So we’re they want to sell their interest now it would represent not a 10-fold profit but more like a 30-fold profit, unless the team has been leveraged. But such an enormous LT capital gain might weigh in any decision by the Tisch’s not to sell, unless they gave offsetting capital losses. So maybe the Tisch’s hang in for a while more.

Then again, once one has perhaps made 30x their money on their investment, paying taxes on it to be able to save with face your NY and Hollywood friends without embarrassment might be worthwhile. After all, let’s face it, it’s not about the money for the Tisch’s at this point.


As Ivan15 says, it was Bob Tisch, the father who made the purchase. And he didn't leave his share all to Steve. Jonathan Tisch, Steve's brother who is on the NYG front office page as Treasurer, is also a co-owner.

And Charles Tisch, Jonathan's son, is on the FO page as a Football Operations Assistant. See link for fact that is an actual job.

Steve made himself very visible in the Eli benching crisis and John was evidently very concerned to appease his displeasure at the turn of events.

I don't expect anything drastic from the Tisches at this moment but I don't see why they would have agreed to legally restrict their rights as co-equal owners.


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don't worry yall, tisch got dis  
japanhead : 1/8/2022 10:49 pm : link
Pass the Courvoisier Mr. T!  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2022 12:11 am : link


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