Make the playoffs and maybe win their division had their coach not gone for two twice. There is no guarantee they win those games but they guaranteed a loss by missing both times. They are not the best team in the league but they would beat the giants 10 out of 10 times if both teams are completely healthy.
Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
People get hurt, according to Gettleman, so injuries are his responsibility . Every team has to manage COVID and NY/NJ had some of the strictest regs so not an excuse either. And as noted above, the Giants were basically out of the playoffs when at full strength at 1-5. So if Paul said that he’s wrong, just like he was wrong saying fans are being mean to Gettleman
They are a game away from making the playoffs with a back-up QB, a secondary off the streets of Baltimore, a 5th string RB...and on and on and on.
He can’t so he ignores it. No one should take what he states about the team seriously. IMO the term shill has been thrown around loosely here, but it applies with Dottino.
Every team has dealt with Covid and injuries, all have faired better than the Giants. Injuries revealed how poorly put together this team is and how poorly coached they have been.
When Dottino refers to how poorly Glennon has played, and asks what should we expect on offense, no one ever asks him what Glennon is doing on the team
Injuries have been a factor, but not an excuse for being non competitive
Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
For someone who likes to accuse others of not contributing anything football related, I don't think you've had a single football related post since you tried to claim that Matt Peart was an Orlando Pace clone.
You should be grateful that this board has some trolls that are even more obvious than you.
RE: RE: RE: Can we ban this January 2022 cumstain cunthole already?
Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
For someone who likes to accuse others of not contributing anything football related, I don't think you've had a single football related post since you tried to claim that Matt Peart was an Orlando Pace clone.
You should be grateful that this board has some trolls that are even more obvious than you.
Just look how we came out on fire the first six games. You could tell this team was bad when we got smacked around easily by the mediocre Denver Broncos.
this douche and Dottino. this offense in 2 YEARS has scored 30 points ONCE. You pretty much have to have the capability to score 30 on ANY week to be a playoff worthy team. Both of these dummies don't seem to get that.
RE: RE: Can we ban this January 2022 cumstain cunthole already?
Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
My post wasn't mindless, I thought it out before I posted. The OP signed on to BBI days ago only to start threads or make posts to antagonize and rile everyone else. He should be banned.
but he is a bit off base at times. I love his knowledge and passion of NY Giants football but I respectfully disagree that the Giants are a playoff team. Not even close to a playoff team even when you factor the injuries and COVID. Until the offensive line is rebuilt and has proven, adequate o-line depth the Giants will continue to be a losing team.
but he is a bit off base at times. I love his knowledge and passion of NY Giants football but I respectfully disagree that the Giants are a playoff team. Not even close to a playoff team even when you factor the injuries and COVID. Until the offensive line is rebuilt and has proven, adequate o-line depth the Giants will continue to be a losing team.
The Giants could lose every game for a decade and Dottino would be singing their praises and making excuses for the losses. He’s an embarrassment to WFAN and to his profession. He’s the biggest shill on the planet
Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
He might be right - they may have been a playoff team but...
That's not the point of this season. The point of this season is we learned that we don't have a front office nor coaching staff that can manage through adversity.
If not for covid, if not for injuries, if everything else went right, sure, this group could have earned a playoff game.
But nothing ever goes right. You must have an organization that can adapt, can pivot, can come up with legit contingency plans again and again.
Can work with what they have.
We don't have that right now.
We could have all nice and great men working tirelessly as has been stated before, well even so, let them go work tirelessly at something else and let's get a different group of nice men in here who can also work tirelessly and maybe have success at it as well.
only won six last year because they played in the worst division in football and historically the worst NFCE in NFL history. People were deluded by a 2-3 game win streak middle of the year with teams that didn’t take Giants seriously. They collapsed in December, per usual and right on cue.
but he is a bit off base at times. I love his knowledge and passion of NY Giants football but I respectfully disagree that the Giants are a playoff team. Not even close to a playoff team even when you factor the injuries and COVID. Until the offensive line is rebuilt and has proven, adequate o-line depth the Giants will continue to be a losing team.
You are suggesting in this case he was "Just a bit off base?" if you think he was way off - Why do you think he was this far off?
Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
this douche and Dottino. this offense in 2 YEARS has scored 30 points ONCE. You pretty much have to have the capability to score 30 on ANY week to be a playoff worthy team. Both of these dummies don't seem to get that.
If I recall, that 30 point game included a defensive TD...?
What Dottino said has one advantage: It’s irrefutable.
Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
Ehh- Not too much of a homer, are you?
I don’t see any excuse making in my post. I see a team with a floor of 6 wins and a likely ceiling of 8 or 9 that ultimately only won 4 out of 10 games with their QB1. If believing this team would have won 2-4 of the other 7 games had they had QB1 makes me a homer, so be it.
Feel better? I know you live to snuff and stamp out any rationalism or God forbid any optimism.
Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
Ehh- Not too much of a homer, are you?
I don’t see any excuse making in my post. I see a team with a floor of 6 wins and a likely ceiling of 8 or 9 that ultimately only won 4 out of 10 games with their QB1. If believing this team would have won 2-4 of the other 7 games had they had QB1 makes me a homer, so be it.
Feel better? I know you live to snuff and stamp out any rationalism or God forbid any optimism.
Did you not say injuries were a cause for only 6 wins? Let me copy the post you typed just in case you forgot:
You specifically said INJURIES>
Nice try though trying to weasel out of that. You sound like another incompetent NY Giant employee.
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The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
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Reality is losing QB1 for essentially 7 out of 17 games is going to cause most NFL teams to lose +\- 2 more games. Typical NFL wisdom says you hope your QB2 can go .500.
This will be my last response to you. Talking to emotional jilted lover types is exhausting. Feel free to respond with a witty quip that makes you feel good about shouting down a long time BBIer who’s simply discussing the team.
Reality is losing QB1 for essentially 7 out of 17 games is going to cause most NFL teams to lose +\- 2 more games. Typical NFL wisdom says you hope your QB2 can go .500.
This will be my last response to you. Talking to emotional jilted lover types is exhausting. Feel free to respond with a witty quip that makes you feel good about shouting down a long time BBIer who’s simply discussing the team.
yes you are making excuses. First off your premise was LAST YEAR they won 6 games so this year without injures they should’ve done better.
Yet you completely IGNORE that both Dallas and Philly and Cincy lost to Giants last year BECASUE of injuries. .
And thank you for no longer responding to me. I’m tired of incompetent Ny Giants employees pretending like they know what they’re talking about while throwing out excuse after excuse. Please don’t reply to me ever again and keep the comedy clown show to yourself, okay?
You’re the kind of guy who punches holes in his basement walls when the Giants disgrace you with another loss, aren’t ya.
I mean you think I’m a Giants employee posting excuses. I’d actually enjoy a little chuckle imagining how furiously hard you’re mashing those keys responding to anyone who’ll fight ya…..but it’s really just sad.
You’re the kind of guy who punches holes in his basement walls when the Giants disgrace you with another loss, aren’t ya.
I mean you think I’m a Giants employee posting excuses. I’d actually enjoy a little chuckle imagining how furiously hard you’re mashing those keys responding to anyone who’ll fight ya…..but it’s really just sad.
Looking forward to a new GM leading a revamped scouting and pro player eval dept. I think there are a few good candidates.
I don’t get into the nepotism stuff because it’s wasted energy. The right GM makes the nepotism talk fade away.
Let the new GM decide on Judge. With that said, they’ll never get out of this by firing coaches every two years. It’s an interesting situation. I hated John Mara forcing coordinator changes on TC. I wish they reinforced the trenches and stayed with TC/Gilbride until Eli was done. But Judge’s offensive blind spot scares me. He needs a strong OC to make it in this league. The new GM needs to determine if Judge can find him.
Tl/dr: New GM
New OC and system
Draft talent that fits the systems at any position.
If possible, lean a little towards the trenches if the value is there.
Looking forward to a new GM leading a revamped scouting and pro player eval dept. I think there are a few good candidates.
I don’t get into the nepotism stuff because it’s wasted energy. The right GM makes the nepotism talk fade away.
Let the new GM decide on Judge. With that said, they’ll never get out of this by firing coaches every two years. It’s an interesting situation. I hated John Mara forcing coordinator changes on TC. I wish they reinforced the trenches and stayed with TC/Gilbride until Eli was done. But Judge’s offensive blind spot scares me. He needs a strong OC to make it in this league. The new GM needs to determine if Judge can find him.
Tl/dr: New GM
New OC and system
Draft talent that fits the systems at any position.
If possible, lean a little towards the trenches if the value is there.
Is that rah rah?
What's rah rah is that you established the Giants as 6 win team as a baseline because of last year without a consideration that at least 3 wins were due to injuries from the other teams then you rah rah the team this year citing 2 or more wins form the baseline of 6 if they were healthy because of injuries.
Every season has a number of games that factor either way. It’s semantics. Saying this year’s team had a floor of 6 wins isn’t rah rah. It’s a realistic opinion based on what I observed last year. Go back and read the prediction threads and you’ll find it’s a fair assessment.
What was your assessment going in?
With QB1 playing 15 games (he’s prone to miss a couple)
Every season has a number of games that factor either way. It’s semantics. Saying this year’s team had a floor of 6 wins isn’t rah rah. It’s a realistic opinion based on what I observed last year. Go back and read the prediction threads and you’ll find it’s a fair assessment.
What was your assessment going in?
No- it's not semantics. You are making excuses for the injures this year beucase you are minimizing how the Giants got fortunate with 6 wins last year. Below is what you said --
Using your methodology of saying this year's team should've gotten 2+ more wins this year, if you do that then you have to use the same methodology of last year being fortunate because of other team's injuries.
You can't have it both ways.
As for my assessment most of the summer and into camp I said 7 wins but then I changed it just before season to 8 because I figured they might split with Dallas.
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"Last year’s team won 6 right?"
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RE: With QB1 playing 15 games (he’s prone to miss a couple)
This team should have won 6-8. With QB1 playing 10 games, this team should have won 4-6. They did. Barely.
I’m not making excuses. It was a wretched season. Just too much piling on and emotional knee jerking for a team most viewed as mediocre at best.
You are making excuses by the fact you bring up injuries for this year and excuse the wins from last year when you established yoru own arbitrary baseline.
It's not "Knee-Jerk."" It's realization how awful this team is.
Last year with everything that went on with Covid and loosing 26 early, 6 wins still fell within the range I was expecting. Ok so they caught a couple of teams at the right time. And? That’s the nature of the league.
This team’s margin for error is and has been very small due to their continued inability to pass protect when they have to and disrupt the passer when they have to. The points before half stat illustrates this glaring weakness so well. And this weakness can be traced back years.
Losing QB1 for 7 games and losing 2-4 more than expected isn’t an excuse. It’s cause and effect. Look at the Ravens. They lost a lot of players and kept battling. However losing their QB1 for 5 games has led to them losing their most games in the last 6 years.
Last year with everything that went on with Covid and loosing 26 early, 6 wins still fell within the range I was expecting. Ok so they caught a couple of teams at the right time. And? That’s the nature of the league.
This team’s margin for error is and has been very small due to their continued inability to pass protect when they have to and disrupt the passer when they have to. The points before half stat illustrates this glaring weakness so well. And this weakness can be traced back years.
Losing QB1 for 7 games and losing 2-4 more than expected isn’t an excuse. It’s cause and effect. Look at the Ravens. They lost a lot of players and kept battling. However losing their QB1 for 5 games has led to them losing their most games in the last 6 years.
Again you can't have it both ways here. You specifically used a baseline of 6 games to start the season because of the wins from last year and you aren't citing injuries at all which were beneficial for these wins but you make a reference to count the 2020 6 wins as relevant.
Yet when we looks ta three of them and they were clear it had to do with injuries for the three teams all of sudden you are diminishing the 2020 season.
You can't go and count the 6 wins on one hand while ignoring three of them due to injuries yet then claim it's injuries that have caused the Giants such a poor performance.
Secondly, in regards to Jones injuries - how many would they have ben favored if he was healthy?
Third, yes injuries are a part of it but certain players - certain positions --are going to get injured. For example, many of us said the Barkley pick was incredibly dumb. Part of the reason was that we k new RB’s get banged up and are easily hurt. So for the people that defended the pick, what did they say when he got hurt? They said “if he didn’t get hurt then he would’ve been fine.”
But that’s the reason why you don’t take him. And you are doing something similar here with Jones. The Giants “run” him. He’s a threat and teams plan for him. But running him on designed plays is also a risk. You have to expect he is going to get hurt.
SO similarly, you can’t have it both ways here. When he plays his strength has been also as a runner so he risks injury. And if Giants win you give him kudos. But you also have to expect by the very fact of what makes him successful in this manner, you also have to expect he is gong to get hurt.
SO you can’t take much stock into your point “What if he was healthy?” Because his style is a bit reckless anyway and that is more apt for him to get injured.
That's the price you are paying (injury) for a some wins that he produces when he is healthy.
Eric, do you happen to know what the Ops previous handle was? I can't imagine someone being this bored with their life to troll a fan site.
Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
Just didn't know how bad....
They are a game away from making the playoffs with a back-up QB, a secondary off the streets of Baltimore, a 5th string RB...and on and on and on.
He can’t so he ignores it. No one should take what he states about the team seriously. IMO the term shill has been thrown around loosely here, but it applies with Dottino.
Every team has dealt with Covid and injuries, all have faired better than the Giants. Injuries revealed how poorly put together this team is and how poorly coached they have been.
When Dottino refers to how poorly Glennon has played, and asks what should we expect on offense, no one ever asks him what Glennon is doing on the team
Injuries have been a factor, but not an excuse for being non competitive
Injuries have been a factor, but not an excuse for being non competitive
That is the issue - we aren't even competitive. We look and play like an expansion team.
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Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
For someone who likes to accuse others of not contributing anything football related, I don't think you've had a single football related post since you tried to claim that Matt Peart was an Orlando Pace clone.
You should be grateful that this board has some trolls that are even more obvious than you.
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Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
For someone who likes to accuse others of not contributing anything football related, I don't think you've had a single football related post since you tried to claim that Matt Peart was an Orlando Pace clone.
You should be grateful that this board has some trolls that are even more obvious than you.
Sorry, it was a Jonathan Ogden clone, wasn't it?
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Wow, just wow.
the whole reaction to a simple post...the way this board handles anyone who has an alternative opinion, don't handle the opinion attack the messenger and then there's this.... pure mindless vulgarity....
My post wasn't mindless, I thought it out before I posted. The OP signed on to BBI days ago only to start threads or make posts to antagonize and rile everyone else. He should be banned.
2. If so, what in the hell are they smoking in that building?
The Giants could lose every game for a decade and Dottino would be singing their praises and making excuses for the losses. He’s an embarrassment to WFAN and to his profession. He’s the biggest shill on the planet
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
If not for covid, if not for injuries, if everything else went right, sure, this group could have earned a playoff game.
But nothing ever goes right. You must have an organization that can adapt, can pivot, can come up with legit contingency plans again and again.
Can work with what they have.
We don't have that right now.
We could have all nice and great men working tirelessly as has been stated before, well even so, let them go work tirelessly at something else and let's get a different group of nice men in here who can also work tirelessly and maybe have success at it as well.
You are suggesting in this case he was "Just a bit off base?" if you think he was way off - Why do you think he was this far off?
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
Ehh- Not too much of a homer, are you?
2. If so, what in the hell are they smoking in that building?
In s post above, Victor said he heard it
If I recall, that 30 point game included a defensive TD...?
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Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
Ehh- Not too much of a homer, are you?
I don’t see any excuse making in my post. I see a team with a floor of 6 wins and a likely ceiling of 8 or 9 that ultimately only won 4 out of 10 games with their QB1. If believing this team would have won 2-4 of the other 7 games had they had QB1 makes me a homer, so be it.
Feel better? I know you live to snuff and stamp out any rationalism or God forbid any optimism.
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Last year’s team won 6 right? A look back at the prediction threads would likely support that most thought this past offseason’s additions could result in +\- 2 more wins.
The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
After hopefully a successful offseason, maybe the floor climbs to 8.
You realize Dallas and Philly were decimated by injuries last year, right? And Cinci had no Burrow. He got hurt just before the Giants game.
SO you want to discount the Philly and Dallas and Cinci injures but use the Giants injuries this year as an excuse?
Ehh- Not too much of a homer, are you?
I don’t see any excuse making in my post. I see a team with a floor of 6 wins and a likely ceiling of 8 or 9 that ultimately only won 4 out of 10 games with their QB1. If believing this team would have won 2-4 of the other 7 games had they had QB1 makes me a homer, so be it.
Feel better? I know you live to snuff and stamp out any rationalism or God forbid any optimism.
Did you not say injuries were a cause for only 6 wins? Let me copy the post you typed just in case you forgot:
You specifically said INJURIES>
Nice try though trying to weasel out of that. You sound like another incompetent NY Giant employee.
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The 6 win floor seems accurate and unfortunately the injuries led to +\- 2 less wins.
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This will be my last response to you. Talking to emotional jilted lover types is exhausting. Feel free to respond with a witty quip that makes you feel good about shouting down a long time BBIer who’s simply discussing the team.
If this actually is someone connected to the Giants and not some troll, they’re even more pathetic than we imagined
This will be my last response to you. Talking to emotional jilted lover types is exhausting. Feel free to respond with a witty quip that makes you feel good about shouting down a long time BBIer who’s simply discussing the team.
yes you are making excuses. First off your premise was LAST YEAR they won 6 games so this year without injures they should’ve done better.
Yet you completely IGNORE that both Dallas and Philly and Cincy lost to Giants last year BECASUE of injuries. .
And thank you for no longer responding to me. I’m tired of incompetent Ny Giants employees pretending like they know what they’re talking about while throwing out excuse after excuse. Please don’t reply to me ever again and keep the comedy clown show to yourself, okay?
I mean you think I’m a Giants employee posting excuses. I’d actually enjoy a little chuckle imagining how furiously hard you’re mashing those keys responding to anyone who’ll fight ya…..but it’s really just sad.
You poor scorned lover.
I mean you think I’m a Giants employee posting excuses. I’d actually enjoy a little chuckle imagining how furiously hard you’re mashing those keys responding to anyone who’ll fight ya…..but it’s really just sad.
You poor scorned lover.
Keep your skirt on.
Yeah rah rah team, right?
I don’t get into the nepotism stuff because it’s wasted energy. The right GM makes the nepotism talk fade away.
Let the new GM decide on Judge. With that said, they’ll never get out of this by firing coaches every two years. It’s an interesting situation. I hated John Mara forcing coordinator changes on TC. I wish they reinforced the trenches and stayed with TC/Gilbride until Eli was done. But Judge’s offensive blind spot scares me. He needs a strong OC to make it in this league. The new GM needs to determine if Judge can find him.
Tl/dr: New GM
New OC and system
Draft talent that fits the systems at any position.
If possible, lean a little towards the trenches if the value is there.
Is that rah rah?
I don’t get into the nepotism stuff because it’s wasted energy. The right GM makes the nepotism talk fade away.
Let the new GM decide on Judge. With that said, they’ll never get out of this by firing coaches every two years. It’s an interesting situation. I hated John Mara forcing coordinator changes on TC. I wish they reinforced the trenches and stayed with TC/Gilbride until Eli was done. But Judge’s offensive blind spot scares me. He needs a strong OC to make it in this league. The new GM needs to determine if Judge can find him.
Tl/dr: New GM
New OC and system
Draft talent that fits the systems at any position.
If possible, lean a little towards the trenches if the value is there.
Is that rah rah?
What's rah rah is that you established the Giants as 6 win team as a baseline because of last year without a consideration that at least 3 wins were due to injuries from the other teams then you rah rah the team this year citing 2 or more wins form the baseline of 6 if they were healthy because of injuries.
You see the issue?
What was your assessment going in?
I’m not making excuses. It was a wretched season. Just too much piling on and emotional knee jerking for a team most viewed as mediocre at best.
What was your assessment going in?
No- it's not semantics. You are making excuses for the injures this year beucase you are minimizing how the Giants got fortunate with 6 wins last year. Below is what you said --
Using your methodology of saying this year's team should've gotten 2+ more wins this year, if you do that then you have to use the same methodology of last year being fortunate because of other team's injuries.
You can't have it both ways.
As for my assessment most of the summer and into camp I said 7 wins but then I changed it just before season to 8 because I figured they might split with Dallas.
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"Last year’s team won 6 right?"
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I’m not making excuses. It was a wretched season. Just too much piling on and emotional knee jerking for a team most viewed as mediocre at best.
You are making excuses by the fact you bring up injuries for this year and excuse the wins from last year when you established yoru own arbitrary baseline.
It's not "Knee-Jerk."" It's realization how awful this team is.
This team’s margin for error is and has been very small due to their continued inability to pass protect when they have to and disrupt the passer when they have to. The points before half stat illustrates this glaring weakness so well. And this weakness can be traced back years.
Losing QB1 for 7 games and losing 2-4 more than expected isn’t an excuse. It’s cause and effect. Look at the Ravens. They lost a lot of players and kept battling. However losing their QB1 for 5 games has led to them losing their most games in the last 6 years.
This team’s margin for error is and has been very small due to their continued inability to pass protect when they have to and disrupt the passer when they have to. The points before half stat illustrates this glaring weakness so well. And this weakness can be traced back years.
Losing QB1 for 7 games and losing 2-4 more than expected isn’t an excuse. It’s cause and effect. Look at the Ravens. They lost a lot of players and kept battling. However losing their QB1 for 5 games has led to them losing their most games in the last 6 years.
Again you can't have it both ways here. You specifically used a baseline of 6 games to start the season because of the wins from last year and you aren't citing injuries at all which were beneficial for these wins but you make a reference to count the 2020 6 wins as relevant.
Yet when we looks ta three of them and they were clear it had to do with injuries for the three teams all of sudden you are diminishing the 2020 season.
You can't go and count the 6 wins on one hand while ignoring three of them due to injuries yet then claim it's injuries that have caused the Giants such a poor performance.
Secondly, in regards to Jones injuries - how many would they have ben favored if he was healthy?
Third, yes injuries are a part of it but certain players - certain positions --are going to get injured. For example, many of us said the Barkley pick was incredibly dumb. Part of the reason was that we k new RB’s get banged up and are easily hurt. So for the people that defended the pick, what did they say when he got hurt? They said “if he didn’t get hurt then he would’ve been fine.”
But that’s the reason why you don’t take him. And you are doing something similar here with Jones. The Giants “run” him. He’s a threat and teams plan for him. But running him on designed plays is also a risk. You have to expect he is going to get hurt.
SO similarly, you can’t have it both ways here. When he plays his strength has been also as a runner so he risks injury. And if Giants win you give him kudos. But you also have to expect by the very fact of what makes him successful in this manner, you also have to expect he is gong to get hurt.
SO you can’t take much stock into your point “What if he was healthy?” Because his style is a bit reckless anyway and that is more apt for him to get injured.
That's the price you are paying (injury) for a some wins that he produces when he is healthy.