Everyone always talks about how you need a trading partner for the future first haul we all dream of. Well, we have two shots at a 2023 first this year with our and CHI's first rounders. If either pick can yield a 2023 first we have to trade back imo.
There's no QB worth taking in the top 15. 2023 has at least two I'm eyeing (Stroud and Young). Have to make the trade down if it's there. Agreed?
I suggest refraining from blanket statements about the class. We should do our best to evaluate all the QBs. If the new GM decides they are all second tier, I can live with that. We can't afford to just pass on this QB class out of hand. Meet them, watch them, analyze them. There might be a Mahomes in the bunch.
I suggest refraining from blanket statements about the class. We should do our best to evaluate all the QBs. If the new GM decides they are all second tier, I can live with that. We can't afford to just pass on this QB class out of hand. Meet them, watch them, analyze them. There might be a Mahomes in the bunch.
Who are the Watson and Mahomes of the 2022 draft then?
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that draft yielded Mahomes and Watson.
I suggest refraining from blanket statements about the class. We should do our best to evaluate all the QBs. If the new GM decides they are all second tier, I can live with that. We can't afford to just pass on this QB class out of hand. Meet them, watch them, analyze them. There might be a Mahomes in the bunch.
Who are the Watson and Mahomes of the 2022 draft then?
I’ll tell you in 5years
Parsons isn’t the norm at 11 though and I doubt he was the pick even if we stayed put. He wasn’t the target at the pick either, it was Smith. If the Giants aren’t going QB and they can trade down they 100% should. If they don’t go QB this year they almost have to go next year unless DJ has a legitimate pro bowl season.
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that draft yielded Mahomes and Watson.
I suggest refraining from blanket statements about the class. We should do our best to evaluate all the QBs. If the new GM decides they are all second tier, I can live with that. We can't afford to just pass on this QB class out of hand. Meet them, watch them, analyze them. There might be a Mahomes in the bunch.
Who are the Watson and Mahomes of the 2022 draft then?
Who were the Watson and Mahomes of the 2017 draft????
Acquire talent.
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and missing out on Parsons, I seriously doubt they do that again anytime soon.
Toney will have a better career than Parsons by a wide margin.
Parsons is a game wrecker and worth 20x more that Toney and a 1st today. So maybe Toney can close the gap next 5 years?
They have 5 picks in the first 80 picks
3 have to be impact players, and all 5 have to be starters
They have 5 picks in the first 80 picks
3 have to be impact players, and all 5 have to be starters
It's not about this draft. It's about 2023.
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To trade back
They have 5 picks in the first 80 picks
3 have to be impact players, and all 5 have to be starters
It's not about this draft. It's about 2023.
Yeah you’re right. We aren’t making the playoffs next year either way, I’d rather have enough draft capital in 2023 to go get whoever they want. Meaning the QB of the future
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To trade back
They have 5 picks in the first 80 picks
3 have to be impact players, and all 5 have to be starters
It's not about this draft. It's about 2023.
Yeah you’re right. We aren’t making the playoffs next year either way, I’d rather have enough draft capital in 2023 to go get whoever they want. Meaning the QB of the future
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and missing out on Parsons, I seriously doubt they do that again anytime soon.
Toney will have a better career than Parsons by a wide margin.
This I doubt
Two picks in the top 10. Unless it is a huge haul, is it worth trading out?
Two picks in the top 10. Unless it is a huge haul, is it worth trading out?
No. I agree with you. I'm not saying they should trade out no matter what. I'm saying if we get another deal.like the Bears where a team Is moving up for a QB and giving up a 2023 first to do, you should take that trade.
And to Milton's point. Ideally we can stop moving around every year once we hit on our QB. It's not a matter of always putting off the QB pick. Just this year.
And to Milton's point. Ideally we can stop moving around every year once we hit on our QB. It's not a matter of always putting off the QB pick. Just this year.
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And to Milton's point. Ideally we can stop moving around every year once we hit on our QB. It's not a matter of always putting off the QB pick. Just this year.
But who's to say we hit on the QB? And who's to say having two first round picks next year comes even close to guaranteeing we land either of the two QBs you covet or that both of them are even in the draft? You are planning on tanking yet another season for the grand prize of a lottery ticket. That's not a plan I can get behind.
I don't know that it's tanking. If Jones puts the team on his back and carries us to the playoffs, I'm fine sticking with him. I just think we have to be forward looking and hedge our bets.
I would be a fan of trading back up into the end of the first round this year to grab a better talent with the additional option year even. It's mostly for moving our draft "capital" to 2023 where the QB prospects are much better.
Giants will likely stink again in 2022, yielding more high picks in 2023.
I agree with the major point you're making. I just think this is a prime opportunity given the reality of how the QB classes are shaping up and the way our picks are dispersed.
Giants will likely stink again in 2022, yielding more high picks in 2023.
Mahomes pick (#10 overall) was traded for two ones and a three (22, 27, 91st).
Giants will likely stink again in 2022, yielding more high picks in 2023.
Reduce, they could still get a future #1 with the Bears pick. But, bowing opportunities like Parsons will kill you for years.
Fair point. The idea would be that we're not making those picks, but using them to move up in the round. But we could be left with no trading partners to move up too. For sure. So, that would be a risk we'd be taking.
I'm also fine going Evan Neal and Linderbaum and calling it a day 1.
Any OL names being mentioned yet?
wow. that'd be unpopular.
I agree. Just saying. That'd be a ballsy move.
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Got to be careful getting too cute. Good example is passing over Parsons...
I would be a fan of trading back up into the end of the first round this year to grab a better talent with the additional option year even. It's mostly for moving our draft "capital" to 2023 where the QB prospects are much better.
I agree 100%. When you make these type of trades you should never worry about who oyu could have gotten. WHat's most important is who you get.
Sure qty does not always ensure quality but there are seldom ever assurances in the draft. If you take this too far you'll forever be scared of a tradedown by looking back.
The Giants number 1 goal is getting a QB. What other teams get while Giants trying to reach their goal shouldn't be a deterrent.
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and missing out on Parsons, I seriously doubt they do that again anytime soon.
Toney will have a better career than Parsons by a wide margin.
I still am in favor of the tradedown and until we see what the Giants end of doing a few years from now with their picks and the success- you can't even compare Parsons vs Toney. Parsons is light years better.
Your post is an embarrassment. When will posters like you grow up?
The point is to trade these picks into a single top 3 pick in 2023. Not sure what haul of picks you're talki ng about in terms of guys we'd be drafting...
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We don't.
What you're suggesting is also possible but it's not the only way.
Let the new GM navigate the board as best he can in 2022 and add as many red-chips as possible anywhere/everywhere. And then hopefully go shopping for his QB in 2023...
Let the new GM navigate the board as best he can in 2022 and add as many red-chips as possible anywhere/everywhere. And then hopefully go shopping for his QB in 2023...
This would be closer to the scenario I'm describing yes. I think it might be the most forward looking we.can be while still giving us a shot to.put together a foundation.
- we will have accumulated 6 first round picks to use in 2026.
- we will still have had 14 first picks to use between now and 2025 (although later first round picks).
2026 is Arch Manning's draft year. 6 first rounders that year will definitely get us Manning.
if we use 13 of the 14 first rounders on OL (the other one being used for EDGE) then we should be in good shape.
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still stay in first round with trade down in 2022 AND get an extra 1st round in 2023...much like this past year's deal with CHI.
Let the new GM navigate the board as best he can in 2022 and add as many red-chips as possible anywhere/everywhere. And then hopefully go shopping for his QB in 2023...
This would be closer to the scenario I'm describing yes. I think it might be the most forward looking we.can be while still giving us a shot to.put together a foundation.
Need QB evals to come better into focus in a few months. Could be okay trading up from Rd 2 into Rd 1 to grab one.
If not, then I want them to be "wheeling and dealing" this draft, hopefully putting some blue up on the board but ensure there is plenty of red...
- we will have accumulated 6 first round picks to use in 2026.
- we will still have had 14 first picks to use between now and 2025 (although later first round picks).
2026 is Arch Manning's draft year. 6 first rounders that year will definitely get us Manning.
if we use 13 of the 14 first rounders on OL (the other one being used for EDGE) then we should be in good shape.
Thanks for the farcical version of my post
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if we trade back with both of our picks this year obtaining later first round picks and 2 first round picks next year, and we do the same with our first round picks every year through 2025 then:
- we will have accumulated 6 first round picks to use in 2026.
- we will still have had 14 first picks to use between now and 2025 (although later first round picks).
2026 is Arch Manning's draft year. 6 first rounders that year will definitely get us Manning.
if we use 13 of the 14 first rounders on OL (the other one being used for EDGE) then we should be in good shape.
Thanks for the farcical version of my post
i'm only half kidding. i'm trying to show by "proof by absurd" that trading back is actually a good idea.
Don't think the trade downs had anything to do with your pick of Parsons or mine with Slater. IMO Giants won't take a guy in top ten with any perceived character issues. This is one of the reasons why we know Mara is too attached.
For me with Slater- I felt the same way as I mention to you about Giants selecting Parsons - little-to-no-chance. I sort of felt Slater wasn’t a true "Hog Mollie" and that moron of a GM only would draft Hog Mollies instead of looking at things in terms of good football players.
Neither player was an option.
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if we trade back with both of our picks this year obtaining later first round picks and 2 first round picks next year, and we do the same with our first round picks every year through 2025 then:
- we will have accumulated 6 first round picks to use in 2026.
- we will still have had 14 first picks to use between now and 2025 (although later first round picks).
2026 is Arch Manning's draft year. 6 first rounders that year will definitely get us Manning.
if we use 13 of the 14 first rounders on OL (the other one being used for EDGE) then we should be in good shape.
Thanks for the farcical version of my post
i'm only half kidding. i'm trying to show by "proof by absurd" that trading back is actually a good idea.
So trading back is NEVER a good idea?
p.s.--If I remember correctly, Wood was on my short list that year.
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In comment 15537305 markky said:
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if we trade back with both of our picks this year obtaining later first round picks and 2 first round picks next year, and we do the same with our first round picks every year through 2025 then:
- we will have accumulated 6 first round picks to use in 2026.
- we will still have had 14 first picks to use between now and 2025 (although later first round picks).
2026 is Arch Manning's draft year. 6 first rounders that year will definitely get us Manning.
if we use 13 of the 14 first rounders on OL (the other one being used for EDGE) then we should be in good shape.
Thanks for the farcical version of my post
i'm only half kidding. i'm trying to show by "proof by absurd" that trading back is actually a good idea.
If you read through my posts, I addressed that already. But do you, I guess.