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Solder to receive $1M incentive bonus

Giantophile : 1/9/2022 5:45 am
For a combo of playing time and, get this, improved offensive production (!!!).

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Solder has played 83 percent of the offensive of the offensive snaps. He will earn $1 million...Solder only achieved the incentive if the team also improved in points scored, net yards, sacks allowed or completion percentage and was better than the bottom five in the league in the category(s). Solder will narrowly earn the incentive based on the Giants’ reduction in sacks allowed. They’ve allowed 35 sacks this season, which is tied for 16th. That’s an improvement from last season when they allowed 50 sacks, which ranked 29th in the league. As they did last season, the Giants rank in the bottom five in points, yards and completion percentage.


Does this FO know how to write 'em up or what?
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christian : 1/9/2022 11:31 am : link
The Giants had every opportunity to cut Solder and designate him a June 1 cut. That would have been a full 10M saving against the 2021 cap.

His cap charge in 2021 would have been the 6.5M in bonus charges, and 4M in 2022.

See you later, goodbye.

The Giants chose to pay him 3M in 2021, and additionally this pathetic incentive.

Swing tackles like Dennis Kelley and Sam Young drew contracts of around 1.5M.
What can you say that's good about Solder's contract?  
Marty in Albany : 1/9/2022 11:32 am : link

Sam Beal's was worse. $3 million for 1 pass defense and 20 solo tackles.
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GeofromNJ : 1/9/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15536955 Eric from BBI said:
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remind me again why Kevin Abrams is considered a "cap guru"?

This is the same team that doesn't have enough $$$ to field a full active roster today.

It's always baffled me as to why the Giants have mediocre to average players and never have any cap room.
Nate Solder's strong armed robbery continues  
90.Cal : 1/9/2022 11:41 am : link
This guy should be in prison for stealing from this franchise. Worst contract in Giants franchise history. Easily one of the top 10 worst contracts in NFL history. Gettleman's biggest mistake by a mile.
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Eric on Li : 1/9/2022 11:41 am : link
In comment 15537184 christian said:
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Swing tackles like Dennis Kelley and Sam Young drew contracts of around 1.5M.


is it wrong to compare either to deck chairs on the titanic? Sam Young literally hasn't played a snap this year.
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Eric on Li : 1/9/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15537190 GeofromNJ said:
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In comment 15536955 Eric from BBI said:


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remind me again why Kevin Abrams is considered a "cap guru"?

This is the same team that doesn't have enough $$$ to field a full active roster today.


It's always baffled me as to why the Giants have mediocre to average players and never have any cap room.


they had the cap room to add Golladay and Jackson. Cap room wasn't the problem, the choices were.
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Jimmy Googs : 1/9/2022 11:48 am : link
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Giants OL has allowed a much lower pressure percentage this season versus last year, improving from about 30% to about 23% this year. We should be airing it every week.

just need QBs and WRs & TEs...



Somehow we need to also evaluate whether this is partly related to play calling. Did Garrett run plays with shorter routes so the GB can get rid of the ball quickly?


without question
Good for Solder. Not his fault.  
j_rud : 1/9/2022 11:50 am : link
Blame the organization for giving him the co tract and then failing to upgrade when it was blatantly clear that he had nothing left to offer. And I mean pre-covid, not just this year.
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christian : 1/9/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15537208 Eric on Li said:
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is it wrong to compare either to deck chairs on the titanic? Sam Young literally hasn't played a snap this year.


End-of-career swing tackles demanded about 1.5M dollar contracts last off season. That’s the reality.

Solder had the added benefit of having been out of the league for a year and having been atrocious his last time out.

The Giants chose to give him a 3M salary, and this idiotic, embarrassing, pathetic incentive. It was a stupid move, and unsurprisingly he sucked.
RE: RE: RE: No i think they paid slightly less money for the same terrible output  
Jimmy Googs : 1/9/2022 11:58 am : link
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If I’m reading this correctly, the silver lining is the Giants paid the same money for the same terrible output?

I do give Solder credit. I thought his ceiling was lower. He was only terrible, not catastrophic.



the alternative without the restructure/adding the void year was spending net new money on whoever replaced him with the same cap penalty as incurred by keeping him with the new terms also still on the books.



You mean spend money on someone that may have value at Offensive Tackle in the NFL going forward?



a) they didn't have much money to spend (basically whatever the amount was they gave fulton)
b) how good of a player going do you expect exists as a low cost swing tackle willing to compete for a spot with TBD playing time available since Peart was considered the likely starter at RT?

the mistake was the evaluation of Peart which forced them to start their 3rd T. Whether it was solder or a different deck chair in the same price range.


You are getting closer to the point. Almost everything this regime has done with respect to the OL has been poorly conceived. Misjudging Peart's readiness was one, continuing to have Solder bleed money on both the cap and the field is yet another.

Just comical - a critical evaluation year on DJ in 2021 and these morons decided to up-the-ante on stupid and actually "disinvested" in the Offensive Line year-over-year.

Well, you know better than anyone, something had to pay for guys like big Leonard, amongst others. So the OL took their hit too...
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eric2425ny : 1/9/2022 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15537226 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15536871 Jimmy Googs said:


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Giants OL has allowed a much lower pressure percentage this season versus last year, improving from about 30% to about 23% this year. We should be airing it every week.

just need QBs and WRs & TEs...



Somehow we need to also evaluate whether this is partly related to play calling. Did Garrett run plays with shorter routes so the GB can get rid of the ball quickly?



without question


Yes, that’s one of the reasons Golladay has done practically nothing here. They dump the ball of so fast because of poor line play that he can’t get downfield.
 
christian : 1/9/2022 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15537248 Jimmy Googs said:
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You are getting closer to the point. Almost everything this regime has done with respect to the OL has been poorly conceived. Misjudging Peart's readiness was one, continuing to have Solder bleed money on both the cap and the field is yet another.


Exactly. Despite recent developments the Giants actually are allowed to do smart things.

Keep this in mind. The Giants restructured Solder in March, and guaranteed his salary. This is before he’d stepped on the field for the year, and had missed a year.

Not only did they fail to try and meaningfully upgrade the position, they locked themselves into the money before the draft.

If the Giants picked Slater, and cut Solder they were locked into the money. Now of course why would the Giants draft a year one All Pro type tackle. But that’s another thread.
Really, what does it matter  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2022 12:38 pm : link
if we field a full team or not?
what if we give up like 8 sacks today  
CGiants07 : 1/9/2022 12:47 pm : link
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Bust  
AcidTest : 1/9/2022 6:27 pm : link
a deal, face the wheel.

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