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Another look back at the end of 1978

truebluelarry : 1/9/2022 8:47 am
I've been doing a lot of reminiscing the past couple of weeks, the parallels to the Giants of today and the tragic (though ultimiatle beneficial) 1978 season are inescapable.

One gap in the archives I haven't posted is the window between the close of the season on December 17 and the end of the calendar year, when the NY Daily News opened the floodgates with their well known three-part critical expose on the mismanagement and dysfunction of the Giants org that was introduced to the public for the first time.

There probably isn't anything shocking here, but reading the comments through the lense of 45 years of hindsight is interesting.

What you won't read here is the name of Tim Mara. He was still behind the scenes but that would change in January.

These are articles from the day after Coach John McVay's firing and Director of Operations Andy Robustelli's resignation, both published on December 19.

Newsday
https://i.imgur.com/tHba3K4.jpg

NY Times
https://i.imgur.com/6S6B506.png
https://i.imgur.com/9ORHc9P.png



One more  
truebluelarry : 1/9/2022 8:57 am : link
NY Daily News
https://i.imgur.com/p8SAqxR.jpg
Paterno  
jeff57 : 1/9/2022 9:01 am : link
Yeah, I remember that talk about how they wanted to go after Paterno.
RE: Paterno  
truebluelarry : 1/9/2022 9:04 am : link
In comment 15536865 jeff57 said:
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Yeah, I remember that talk about how they wanted to go after Paterno.


Paterno was Wellington's choice. Tim said he wanted George Allen, though I've often that was him being a contrarian trying to get under Wellington's skin. Tim firmly wanted a strong DO (or GM) to name his own coach.
Famous last words  
jeff57 : 1/9/2022 9:04 am : link
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The board of directors consists of Wellington\Mara, his 23‐year‐old son, John. (now attending Fordham Law Sch(ol), Timmy Mara and his mother, Helen Mara, with Wellington and Helen each holding 50 percent of the stock. But with four directors, Timmy Mara was asked, if there is a 2‐2 vote on an issuе,.whаt is the tiebreaker?

“There's never been a need for that,” he replied.

RE: Famous last words  
truebluelarry : 1/9/2022 9:08 am : link
In comment 15536870 jeff57 said:
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The board of directors consists of Wellington\Mara, his 23‐year‐old son, John. (now attending Fordham Law Sch(ol), Timmy Mara and his mother, Helen Mara, with Wellington and Helen each holding 50 percent of the stock. But with four directors, Timmy Mara was asked, if there is a 2‐2 vote on an issuе,.whаt is the tiebreaker?

“There's never been a need for that,” he replied.



Poignant.

There is a very famous quote from Wellington in the 1980s where he referenced one of Pete Rozelle's stipulations during the George Young compromise. Rozelle wrote into the league's bylaws that there would never be another 50-50 partnership in the league. The Giants were grandfathered in with their equal status, but any other partnership going forward could not be anything closer than 51-49.
There's also similarities between this year and...  
Milton : 1/9/2022 9:23 am : link
1983's 3-12-1 season.
boy was George Allen wrong  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2022 9:25 am : link
and nice reminder of the Chuck Fairbanks fiasco
There's a MONUMENTALLY HUGE difference between then and now.  
Red Dog : 1/9/2022 4:23 pm : link
Andy Robustelli and John McVay ALMOST got the GIANTS turned around. McVay was within one holding penalty on opening day of actually getting it moving in the right direction.

The last five years have been a long, slow slide from sub-standard to worse to totally and ridiculously uncompetitive. They have been consistently moving in the wrong direction through these five seasons. I am not sure if the bottom has been reached yet, either.
RE: There's a MONUMENTALLY HUGE difference between then and now.  
jeff57 : 1/9/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15538885 Red Dog said:
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Andy Robustelli and John McVay ALMOST got the GIANTS turned around. McVay was within one holding penalty on opening day of actually getting it moving in the right direction.

The last five years have been a long, slow slide from sub-standard to worse to totally and ridiculously uncompetitive. They have been consistently moving in the wrong direction through these five seasons. I am not sure if the bottom has been reached yet, either.


They got nothing turned around. Arnsfarger built the template of the 3-4 defense that would come to fruition in the 80s. Those two did nothing. Especially McVay.
just remember we didn't immediately get better after 1978  
markky : 1/9/2022 4:29 pm : link
it took 3 years to get to the Wildcard. we won
6 in 78
6 in 79
4 in 80

we had a winning record in 81, barely.

I contend we are not at rock bottom yet. Even if we make the right changes in the offseason, the cap and some of the new players being rookies will mean it will take some time. Patience.
RE: RE: There's a MONUMENTALLY HUGE difference between then and now.  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2022 7:21 am : link
In comment 15538898 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15538885 Red Dog said:


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Andy Robustelli and John McVay ALMOST got the GIANTS turned around. McVay was within one holding penalty on opening day of actually getting it moving in the right direction.

The last five years have been a long, slow slide from sub-standard to worse to totally and ridiculously uncompetitive. They have been consistently moving in the wrong direction through these five seasons. I am not sure if the bottom has been reached yet, either.



They got nothing turned around. Arnsfarger built the template of the 3-4 defense that would come to fruition in the 80s. Those two did nothing. Especially McVay.


wrong on all. Arnsparger played 4-3, Harry Carson was the MLB developed by Marty Shottenhemier. AR did leave a real NFL structure in place and a some good players especially on Defense. Though lauded for the hire, Arns was classic great coordinator/terrible Head Coach.
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