RB position

But I’d look for a back in the middle rounds that can get a few carries this year and then take a larger role next year with Booker or another mid-tier FA the year after depending on how Booker plays.

I would much prefer an RB by committee approach to having resources concentrated on one player who takes so much physical punishment.

but the value will not be there unless he starts out strong the first few weeks of next season.

I would keep Booker and draft another RB in the mid rounds this year (like a Ramondre Stevenson type) to take over when Barkley is either traded before the deadline or is gone after year 5.

Even if Barkley looks amazing next year there’s no way I would sign him to a long term deal. Too many injuries, he’d be going into year 6. Look how well resigning a RB to a mega deal has gone for Carolina.

I don't think they would get much in return. While he clearly isn't a bell cow type of back he can be a valuable situational weapon in a good offense.

If we can fix the OL and find a #1a back to Barkley's 1b, the running game will be in good shape.

Barkley has no more than 1 season left with the Giants. I'd set a reasonable minimum for his trade now, but realize that he likely will need a strong 1/3 season before anyone bites much less there are bidders. If, unlikely, 2018 Barkley takes the field next year then probably that trade floor goes up.

What it should be? I have no idea. Maybe start at a 3rd? Maybe 3rd plus a decent role player?

Here is what can't happen. Barkley becomes a FA and walks. We have to get something for him before then.

But boy would it hurt to take less. Lets hope he looks good for a few games in 2022.

...but also because he's cooked.

But there are other RB's out there or ones we could draft in the mid-rounds that would match his current production and cost so much less.

I look at the Eagles and all these RB's they run out after Sanders...Howard, Scott and this Huntley kid last night.

RB's...in my opinion....are a dime a dozen.

But the OL needs to be top notch.

Keep him and let him run for his contract next year. Hopefully, the team is willing to part with him next year and not get a second contract. Sure he will be paid enough by someone to get 4th rd comp pick.

Where his second contract won't come until his franchise tags are used up.

is the easiest position to fill. Teams have gotten very good RB's in the later rounds. Barkley is rare talent, he has to go to a team that can help him reach his full potential, right now that is no the Giants.

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Where his second contract won't come until his franchise tags are used up.

Bell was consistently good though outside of the one year where he tore his ACL. Franchising Barkley would be a huge mistake.

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In comment 15537107 adamg said: Quote: Where his second contract won't come until his franchise tags are used up. Bell was consistently good though outside of the one year where he tore his ACL. Franchising Barkley would be a huge mistake.

No future money tied up in him. It wouldn't be the worth course.

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The top RB’s are making 16M per year right now. No way I pay that much for one year of Barkley. And that’s a full cap hit in the franchise season.

next October.

Should have drafted someone in the 4th round or so last year to be ready for this scenario. But now will have to do this upcoming draft...

In comment 15537119 Jimmy Googs said:

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next October. Should have drafted someone in the 4th round or so last year to be ready for this scenario. But now will have to do this upcoming draft...

Totally agree. I really thought they would take Stevenson this past draft with Barkley coming off the ACL, etc.

go on record as one who was all in on Barkley in the draft. But I have since become convinced that the O-line is the most accurate predictor of a successful running back. We need to fix that .... priority number one.

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go on record as one who was all in on Barkley in the draft. But I have since become convinced that the O-line is the most accurate predictor of a successful running back. We need to fix that .... priority number one.

Same here Mike. I was excited when they picked him. Outside of the injuries I have to admit I have been really disappointed with his lack of power running. Even in his rookie year pre injuries. I remember him being more physical in college. The pass blocking is also horrific.

We’ve seen the success guys like Booker, Gallman, Morris, even Freeman have had playing behind this same crappy line over the last few years. They all pretty consistently averaged 4 yards per carry. If the line is strengthened that number will only go up.

not only have we seen our backups be just as productive...
but all around the league when you see good running teams, nothing changes when their starter goes down.

but bc we aren't ready for a really good running back to make a difference.

He could make a difference in Buffalo, Baltimore, Los Angeles or Arizona.

I'd rather have the draft resources than a running back with a big price tag that will probably hit free agency in a year anyway.

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not only have we seen our backups be just as productive... but all around the league when you see good running teams, nothing changes when their starter goes down.

Exactly. Look at the 49ers for example. Mostert goes down, Wilson missed most of the season, their third round pick Sermon looked serviceable, and then the sixth round pick Eli Mitchell comes in and looks great. All cheap contracts and lots of production.

Heck, go back a few years in our history. Jacobs (4th rounder), Bradshaw (7th rounder) and Derrick Ward (undrafted) were super productive as a trio.

I wanted Josh Allen (qb). That said, I would extend Barkley with a low ball number. He clearly is not worth very much currently. If he rejects it, let his agent look for a better deal in 2023. I doubt he finds one.

In comment 15537162 GeofromNJ said:

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I wanted Josh Allen (qb). That said, I would extend Barkley with a low ball number. He clearly is not worth very much currently. If he rejects it, let his agent look for a better deal in 2023. I doubt he finds one.

Meant to add, don't trade him. Play him in 2022.

I am still one of the few here I guess who still thinks he can get back to his 2018 form. He is obviously still recovering from the major knee surgery and the ankle injury didn't help things. However he is getting better every week, as we know last week he ran for 100 yds and 5 yds per carry.

I'd give him next season to see if he's back. Fix other things in the meantime. We've already spent the money on him. Plus if we want to move on next season I think the trade value will be a lot better since I am expecting a better year from him

The Giants have done such a poor job with roster construction. On good teams, there are talented backs two and three deep; guys with some ‘juice’ who can make plays.

This team has - Booker, who is JAG. Penny, who is a seldom used FB. Gillaspia and Brightwell - that’s two roster spots on guys who do nothing for the offense and are just Special Teams guys. Look at the 49ers - they constantly come up with no name running backs who have some ‘juice’ and make plays.

Of all the things to complain about with Judge, this may be my biggest concern - roater construction - since I believe he played a large role in selecting these players. The Giants are laughingly bad at the position. Booker is a professional, but if he is your teams ‘best’ back, well guess what - that’s a bottom five team.

Barkley should not have been relied on this year. Trade him this year or next, no second contract. He will never be a top back, he is a 190 pound dancer in a 230 pound body. Nice guy, talented and hard working… but not a NY Giant running back. Bradshaw, Jacobs, Tiki, Joe Morris …. we need guys from that mold.

Unless someone is giving us a 1 which I know we are not getting. I think he is starting to look like he is recovering some burst from the injury.

He is more valuable next year on the team than an unproven 3rd round pick especially if he is recovered.

It still looks like Defenses still game plan to stop him and with any online improvement, we maybe could have a decent play action game.

Without him, engram leaving (his speed is a factor although he stinks) and Toney’s injuries so far, we have no one on offense that a defense has to worry about.

I improve the online, hope for a healthy Barkley and maybe we will have a serviceable offense next year.