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Poll time! Does Judge get fired?

eric2425ny : 1/9/2022 10:41 am
I’ll start, yes. It’s going to be ugly out there today.
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I say yes  
Joeguido : 1/9/2022 11:16 am : link
And it’s for the use of his timeouts. I just can’t understand how a NFL head coach can not properly use timeouts. And I was a big Judge supporter last year, despite his poor record. But this year, not so much.
RE: Yes  
j_rud : 1/9/2022 11:20 am : link
In comment 15537104 UberAlias said:
But it’s not a forgone conclusion.

If Mara is really letting his decision be influenced by a week 18 game against another bottom feeder whose coach already said they're going to be playing the 2nd and 3rd string then we really are as screwed as we thought.
RE: I say yes.  
FStubbs : 1/9/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15537134 DonnieD89 said:
The Judge era has been far worse than the McAdoo and Shurmur. GM candidates are not going to agree with Judge being staying as HC and will refuse the position, unless they have the choice. Judge has proven that he is in capable of coaching at the head coaching level. Given the situation, and Tisch’s recent comments along with the media and fan pressure, Mara is going to cave and choose a GM from the outside who wants more of free reign.

I think it will be a fake "outsider" like Scott Pioli.
I sure hope so.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/9/2022 11:22 am : link
IMO he's had a large role in how this years team was created- draft and FA acquisitions. Everything has failed miserably.

His coaches can't prepare the players, his in-game decision making and usage of timeouts are embarrassing.

Then, the press conferences...

The man is in way over his head obviously. This was not the job for Joe Judge.
jpetuch : 1/9/2022 11:22 am : link
Because Mara loves the "Culture Club" he is building plus he doesnt want to pay him to sit at home.
I’m leaning yes  
Breeze_94 : 1/9/2022 11:22 am : link
Probably 55-45 though. It should be a bit more obvious.

Injuries and lack of talent are one thing. But offensively, the execution is awful, the game plan is awful, the situational football is historically bad, and the scheme is awful.

Judge may not be an offensive mind by trade, but that abysmal offense is his responsibility. Unacceptable in today’s NFL.

Hiring Graham as DC is the one positive mark that Judge has had but not nearly enough to overcome
Ultimately yes he will get fired by the new GM who selects his HC  
Rick in Dallas : 1/9/2022 11:23 am : link
RE: No  
Breeze_94 : 1/9/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15537155 jpetuch said:
Because Mara loves the "Culture Club" he is building plus he doesnt want to pay him to sit at home.

I’m not sure paying the coach has an bearing on whether Mara decides to keep him. This is the same owner who paid Odell 20mil to play in Cleveland. He also paid McAdoo and Shurmur after they were fired...

As bad as they are, the Giants are still very profitable. Mara will be just fine dishing out 4-5mil, or w/e JJ’s salary is.
He will not be fired but, for fan relations purposes only,  
eugibs : 1/9/2022 11:27 am : link
Mara will leave the door open slightly that he could still be let go if that’s what the new gm wants. Speculation will continue but Judge will ultimately be retained for next season as one of the secret requirements from Mara for the new gm will be affirming that Judge is the head coach on day one. BBI will argue for the next year about whether this actually was a secret requirement.
No, And Timing of GM Hiring Is One Reason...  
clatterbuck : 1/9/2022 11:28 am : link
By time a GM is hired, the pool of viable HC candidates will likely have dried up. I think Judge gets to "prove it" next year to new GM. Even a GM with supposed ties to Judge (Ossenfort, Ziegler, e.g.) won't be able tolerate another double-digit loss season. If Giants show marked improvement (wins/losses) not just "process," he can continue his program. Otherwise, he's gone. So, I doubt there will be instant gratification for those that want him gone.
I hope not, but I think they will keep him  
PatersonPlank : 1/9/2022 11:30 am : link
for some reason Mara loves the guy, he's bought into the snake oil. Perhaps another embarrassment today will change his mind
Nope. This is Mara and we’re doomed to another badly coached season  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/9/2022 11:31 am : link
In 22.
rocco8112 : 1/9/2022 11:36 am : link
Unfortunately No...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/9/2022 11:36 am : link
Judge gets another year.
I don't follow  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/9/2022 11:38 am : link
all the daily ins and outs, but this guy is clearly in way over his head: he has no business coaching an NFL team.
montanagiant : 1/9/2022 11:39 am : link
RE: RE: Unfortunately...  
bw in dc : 1/9/2022 11:40 am : link
In comment 15537126 joeinpa said:
In comment 15537101 bw in dc said:


I'm going to hedge because our incompetent owner will overemphasize today's game IF we win or stay competitive. Mara will stupidly fall into old habit of thinking a win or close game means the team thinks the world of Judge, and that feeling will miraculously convey to next year. In which case, unfortunately, Judge stays.

If we get rolled, which I hope happens, than Mara will have no choice, especially when you compound everything that has occurred the last month. And Judge will be out.

Judge, whatever happens today, has done NOTHING consistently well to warrant anything but removal. This team did NOT show signs of improvement that Mara said he needed to see.

How can Judge be retained?

I disagree, that Mara will put any emphasis on a late season win if they have decided to move on, it didn’t save Shurmur.

But if they are on the fence another embarrassing day could result in him being gone.

I hear you, but the notion that Mara - apparently - doesn't want to fire a third coach after two years may be Judge's firewall, especially if we win or stay competitive today.
No. Not in Maratopia.  
MOOPS : 1/9/2022 11:45 am : link
I was for giving him a third year BEFORE the crazy presser. Not so much now.
In a perfect world it would be solely up to the new GM, who has to be an outside hire. But the Mara cabal will somehow manage to screw the pooch once again.
I hope not.  
KerrysFlask : 1/9/2022 11:50 am : link
But I hope every single position coach gets their pink slip.
RE: I hope not.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15537231 KerrysFlask said:
But I hope every single position coach gets their pink slip.

That makes absolutely no sense. You want to keep the guy who hired the guys you want fired?
There is a report than co-owner Steve Tisch  
Dave on the UWS : 1/9/2022 11:56 am : link
has been in favor of MAJOR changes with the whole organization for sometime now, not just the GM. Does he step up to the plate and get the Maras to step away? Now that IS a question!
I’d like to see  
Bleedin Blue : 1/9/2022 11:58 am : link
Him fired, nuke this whole front office and restart, but will it happen? NOPE!!
I thought after the dark years of the mid 60’s & 70’s and the return to Giants’ football, we’d never see another run like we have had these past few years, but it appears there’s no way out, but for a complete overhaul. No former execs coming back, clean house!!
I think yes,  
Photoguy : 1/9/2022 12:00 pm : link
but there has to be a proviso that he get some game management help. I'd like to think he'll do some serious self scouting, because this can't go on again if he's retained.
NNJ Tom : 1/9/2022 12:01 pm : link
I think Mara gets another year. If next year is a shit show, Tisch will get his wish and it gets blown up.
If the Giants get blown out today  
JohnF : 1/9/2022 12:03 pm : link
I think Judge's fate is sealed. There's no way to sell this guy to the fanbase, and Mara has to face the press. Firing Judge also opens up the GM pool, since there won't be a requirement to keep Judge for next year.

If JM keeps Judge, he's facing a disaster next year. The team will stink anyway, and there's a good possibility Judge will have to be fired after a 0-5 or 1-7 start. Firing Judge buys the time needed, as fans will accept a rebuild with a new coach.
I believe and hope  
gary_from_chester : 1/9/2022 12:04 pm : link
The new GM will bring in a new coach and QB; it’s what we need.
Joe Beckwith : 1/9/2022 12:05 pm : link
But should.
1/2 of GM candidates generally mentioned have ties to him, not even counting Abrams.
So unless JJ further embarrasses the organization today with his weird postgame comments, it won’t be a Dodds coming in and having the pleasure.
RE: There is a report than co-owner Steve Tisch  
bw in dc : 1/9/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15537246 Dave on the UWS said:
has been in favor of MAJOR changes with the whole organization for sometime now, not just the GM. Does he step up to the plate and get the Maras to step away? Now that IS a question!

Tisch is a dove. I get the sense Mara has no problem getting Tisch in line.

So I'll believe it when I see it.
I assume the Judge slur thread got deleted  
ron mexico : 1/9/2022 12:08 pm : link
But the twitter guy is now saying the footage has been sent to ESPN. I guess we will know soon enough if this guy is a troll or legit.

Video and other info submitted to espn connection, cleared for publication later this week.

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It's likely that he stays, but it's very possible he gets the pink  
Ira : 1/9/2022 12:09 pm : link
CV36 : 1/9/2022 12:21 pm : link
noro9 : 1/9/2022 12:21 pm : link
Not yet
Strahan just advocated in favor of firing Judge  
Del Shofner : 1/9/2022 12:28 pm : link
on the Fox pre-game show.
His record  
thrunthrublue : 1/9/2022 12:30 pm : link
Says fire him…..but nyg ten years of pitiful play has become their brand, so owners most likely keep JJ who can deliver #1 pick in 2023…..then….he goes and let’s hope for another LT with 2023 pick.
He might get fired, but  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2022 12:30 pm : link
I don't think it'll be tomorrow. I think they leave it to the new GM
I think he'll be fired.....  
BillKo : 1/9/2022 12:33 pm : link will be the icing on the cake.

It shouldn't be this bad.
bob_in_ec : 1/9/2022 12:34 pm : link
His rant after last week's game cemented it. A new outsider GM should pick the new coach.
RE: He might get fired, but  
Sammo85 : 1/9/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15537326 Bill in UT said:
I don't think it'll be tomorrow. I think they leave it to the new GM

The GM search and onboarding is going to take a couple weeks. But they conceivably could fire Judge now and give new GM clean slate from get go.
Did I read that first post right?  
greatgrandpa : 1/9/2022 12:35 pm : link
Judges inner workings teamfoundation wins today. Judge now runs the Giants organization and he will help determine which GM will work under him? Could we at least wait for his post game press conference before the coronation?
i think its truly a toss up  
CGiants07 : 1/9/2022 12:42 pm : link
but what isn't a toss up is we are going to lose by double digits today since we wont hit double digits scoring with frohm starting
AcidTest : 1/9/2022 12:53 pm : link
certainly hope so, but don't think he will be. I've admittedly become a serious pessimist when it comes to expecting the Maras to admit mistakes and do what has to be done to begin fixing the team.
torrey : 1/9/2022 1:14 pm : link
If Mara wants to get the fanbase back, he admits that the choice of coach did not work and another one gets picked. Hopefully, by a new GM
Banks : 1/9/2022 1:16 pm : link
if we lose by 20, I think so
great question I think it's a true 50/50  
Eric on Li : 1/9/2022 2:06 pm : link
if it were me it would be a yes if I can get Harbough.

it would probably be a no if it was for another first time HC.

Doug Pederson is a maybe.
RE: No  
NNJ Tom : 1/9/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15537254 NNJ Tom said:
I think Mara gets another year. If next year is a shit show, Tisch will get his wish and it gets blown up.

Changing my vote. Taking a knee on 3rd down? That gets Judge fired.
BigBlueinDE : 1/9/2022 2:20 pm : link
I think he gets next year and possibly one more.
I think he absolutely should,  
Shady Lurker : 1/9/2022 2:28 pm : link
but he probably won't.
We should start the poll again after  
cosmicj : 1/9/2022 2:32 pm : link
That first half.
uconngiant : 1/9/2022 2:54 pm : link
I don't think he does but others won't be so lucky

Emotions don't matter folks
If you don’t fire him  
cjac : 1/9/2022 3:07 pm : link
What message are you sending to the fans?
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