I think the press conference last week took him from “still young and learning” to “this guy is embarrassing the team on a national stage.” It all depends on just how stubborn Mara is.
Usually we all know when the coach gets fired like McAddo or Shurmur. Not this time. There's not a consensus out there so Judge gets one more year with: A rebuilt OL (Hopefully) and anew OC with an offense that works.
If we falter then there will be a consensus that he's gone.
It will be a new coach, new QB, etc....
I hope the decision has already been made either way. Letting it hang on the balance of this game with the body of work already available speaks to looking for a reason to retain him rather than acknowledging all the reasons to end it.
Despite my recent venting I'm typically an optimist. Pretty much every offseason for the past decade I've been in the "A few things break their way and they're a wildcard team" camp. And it's impossible for me to envision a scenario where this team doesn't stumble out of the gate to another 1-6 start. I'd bet money that if he isn't fired today he'll be fired by wk 10 next year.
In that organization watched a team of backups put up 26 points against the Cowboys while we put up 3 with a backup QB, yes he is history. I assume they ate brie and toasted their good fortune so no we get to keep suffering.
I got info from a reliable source saying he wasn’t safe
and I still think there is no way they can him. Mara is stupid enough to believe his biggest strength is his “stability” and he is also dumb enough to believe that just because firing McAddo and Shurmur after two heads is good enough reason to give more time to this incompetent used car salesman. I do think Mara will mull it over more than I thought two weeks ago, but in the end I think he keeps him.
I'm going to hedge because our incompetent owner will overemphasize today's game IF we win or stay competitive. Mara will stupidly fall into old habit of thinking a win or close game means the team thinks the world of Judge, and that feeling will miraculously convey to next year. In which case, unfortunately, Judge stays.
If we get rolled, which I hope happens, than Mara will have no choice, especially when you compound everything that has occurred the last month. And Judge will be out.
Judge, whatever happens today, has done NOTHING consistently well to warrant anything but removal. This team did NOT show signs of improvement that Mara said he needed to see.
They should, but Mara will torture himself and again let past rule the present to ruin the near future.
He will convince him he needs more time and we will be sitting here micromanaging a couple more wins in 2023 as reason for a 4th year to have to tear it down again in 2024-2025.
Was over a few weeks ago. Judge was still in the plans but this past week and half has gone very badly for him. If today gets ugly, I don’t see how he returns. If the team looks good and still fighting it’s not going to help our cause.
I'm going to hedge because our incompetent owner will overemphasize today's game IF we win or stay competitive. Mara will stupidly fall into old habit of thinking a win or close game means the team thinks the world of Judge, and that feeling will miraculously convey to next year. In which case, unfortunately, Judge stays.
If we get rolled, which I hope happens, than Mara will have no choice, especially when you compound everything that has occurred the last month. And Judge will be out.
Judge, whatever happens today, has done NOTHING consistently well to warrant anything but removal. This team did NOT show signs of improvement that Mara said he needed to see.
How can Judge be retained?
I disagree, that Mara will put any emphasis on a late season win if they have decided to move on, it didn’t save Shurmur.
But if they are on the fence another embarrassing day could result in him being gone.
Was over a few weeks ago. Judge was still in the plans but this past week and half has gone very badly for him. If today gets ugly, I don’t see how he returns. If the team looks good and still fighting it’s not going to help our cause.
I think Mara has decided to take an easy way out and not make the decision this year. He will hire a new GM to let 2023 be a relationship year with new GM taking responsibility and on Judge and if new GM wants a new HC he will let him make the call next off-season.
This game means nothing. He’s coming back unfortunately.
The Judge era has been far worse than the McAdoo and Shurmur. GM candidates are not going to agree with Judge being staying as HC and will refuse the position, unless they have the choice. Judge has proven that he is in capable of coaching at the head coaching level. Given the situation, and Tisch’s recent comments along with the media and fan pressure, Mara is going to cave and choose a GM from the outside who wants more of free reign.
RE: RE: The plan for DG to transition to Judge and Abrams
Was over a few weeks ago. Judge was still in the plans but this past week and half has gone very badly for him. If today gets ugly, I don’t see how he returns. If the team looks good and still fighting it’s not going to help our cause.
I think Mara has decided to take an easy way out and not make the decision this year. He will hire a new GM to let 2023 be a relationship year with new GM taking responsibility and on Judge and if new GM wants a new HC he will let him make the call next off-season.
This game means nothing. He’s coming back unfortunately.
This. They will promote Abrams and keep Judge in a last ditch effort to salvage this regime. When 2022 is a more of the same, next year on this day we will be predicting the new GM and new Head Coach. I have resigned myself to this reality.
And it’s for the use of his timeouts. I just can’t understand how a NFL head coach can not properly use timeouts. And I was a big Judge supporter last year, despite his poor record. But this year, not so much.
If Mara is really letting his decision be influenced by a week 18 game against another bottom feeder whose coach already said they're going to be playing the 2nd and 3rd string then we really are as screwed as we thought.
The Judge era has been far worse than the McAdoo and Shurmur. GM candidates are not going to agree with Judge being staying as HC and will refuse the position, unless they have the choice. Judge has proven that he is in capable of coaching at the head coaching level. Given the situation, and Tisch’s recent comments along with the media and fan pressure, Mara is going to cave and choose a GM from the outside who wants more of free reign.
I think it will be a fake "outsider" like Scott Pioli.
Probably 55-45 though. It should be a bit more obvious.
Injuries and lack of talent are one thing. But offensively, the execution is awful, the game plan is awful, the situational football is historically bad, and the scheme is awful.
Judge may not be an offensive mind by trade, but that abysmal offense is his responsibility. Unacceptable in today’s NFL.
Hiring Graham as DC is the one positive mark that Judge has had but not nearly enough to overcome
Ultimately yes he will get fired by the new GM who selects his HC
Because Mara loves the "Culture Club" he is building plus he doesnt want to pay him to sit at home.
I’m not sure paying the coach has an bearing on whether Mara decides to keep him. This is the same owner who paid Odell 20mil to play in Cleveland. He also paid McAdoo and Shurmur after they were fired...
As bad as they are, the Giants are still very profitable. Mara will be just fine dishing out 4-5mil, or w/e JJ’s salary is.
If we falter then there will be a consensus that he's gone.
It will be a new coach, new QB, etc....
Unless they lose by 50 today....
They can move on from Jones, Abrams, and Judge all in one fell swoop next year.
Judge - ( New Window )
I am 52/48 he gets canned.
I know what everyone's opinion of Zimmer is, but he is a coach who has proven he can win.
His issues with finishing games could be fixed by having a game quality coach or giving that duty to his OC.
But the man gets his team to play hard game in and game out.
Can this troll be banned?
Unless they lose by 50 today....
I think this is Mara's thinking. He'll look for any positive to not pull the plug on Judge.
Despite my recent venting I'm typically an optimist. Pretty much every offseason for the past decade I've been in the "A few things break their way and they're a wildcard team" camp. And it's impossible for me to envision a scenario where this team doesn't stumble out of the gate to another 1-6 start. I'd bet money that if he isn't fired today he'll be fired by wk 10 next year.
Gettleman is the bi-annual sacrificial lamb.
If we get rolled, which I hope happens, than Mara will have no choice, especially when you compound everything that has occurred the last month. And Judge will be out.
Judge, whatever happens today, has done NOTHING consistently well to warrant anything but removal. This team did NOT show signs of improvement that Mara said he needed to see.
How can Judge be retained?
He will convince him he needs more time and we will be sitting here micromanaging a couple more wins in 2023 as reason for a 4th year to have to tear it down again in 2024-2025.
Lost decade incoming.
If we get rolled, which I hope happens, than Mara will have no choice, especially when you compound everything that has occurred the last month. And Judge will be out.
Judge, whatever happens today, has done NOTHING consistently well to warrant anything but removal. This team did NOT show signs of improvement that Mara said he needed to see.
How can Judge be retained?
I disagree, that Mara will put any emphasis on a late season win if they have decided to move on, it didn’t save Shurmur.
But if they are on the fence another embarrassing day could result in him being gone.
I think Mara has decided to take an easy way out and not make the decision this year. He will hire a new GM to let 2023 be a relationship year with new GM taking responsibility and on Judge and if new GM wants a new HC he will let him make the call next off-season.
This game means nothing. He’s coming back unfortunately.
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Was over a few weeks ago. Judge was still in the plans but this past week and half has gone very badly for him. If today gets ugly, I don’t see how he returns. If the team looks good and still fighting it’s not going to help our cause.
I think Mara has decided to take an easy way out and not make the decision this year. He will hire a new GM to let 2023 be a relationship year with new GM taking responsibility and on Judge and if new GM wants a new HC he will let him make the call next off-season.
This game means nothing. He’s coming back unfortunately.
This. They will promote Abrams and keep Judge in a last ditch effort to salvage this regime. When 2022 is a more of the same, next year on this day we will be predicting the new GM and new Head Coach. I have resigned myself to this reality.
Which does not bode well for the organization
If Mara is really letting his decision be influenced by a week 18 game against another bottom feeder whose coach already said they're going to be playing the 2nd and 3rd string then we really are as screwed as we thought.
I think it will be a fake "outsider" like Scott Pioli.
His coaches can't prepare the players, his in-game decision making and usage of timeouts are embarrassing.
Then, the press conferences...
The man is in way over his head obviously. This was not the job for Joe Judge.
Injuries and lack of talent are one thing. But offensively, the execution is awful, the game plan is awful, the situational football is historically bad, and the scheme is awful.
Judge may not be an offensive mind by trade, but that abysmal offense is his responsibility. Unacceptable in today’s NFL.
Hiring Graham as DC is the one positive mark that Judge has had but not nearly enough to overcome
I’m not sure paying the coach has an bearing on whether Mara decides to keep him. This is the same owner who paid Odell 20mil to play in Cleveland. He also paid McAdoo and Shurmur after they were fired...
As bad as they are, the Giants are still very profitable. Mara will be just fine dishing out 4-5mil, or w/e JJ’s salary is.