Now I can't believe for a second anyone would retain him after what we have seen recently.
This isn't a hard luck team, losing games in the 4th qtr b/c they just don't have enough players... this is a historically pathetic team that barely shows up week in and week out.
They are lost.
and none of this stink can remain for another season.
the team. A few starters worth keeping and some depth guys but they need to clean house. If Mara is steadfast on keeping Judge he better hire a outside GM and give him control. Let Judge coach the scraps for a year while the GM cleans the slop and drafts BPA. 2023 QB.
Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
Dave Gettleman declined to say anything when asked for a comment as he left the press box and headed downstairs with about five minutes remaining. His record in 4 years as GM will be 19-46. #Giants
Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
That's pretty weak. I understand he is leaving but he could have taken a few minutes to answer a couple questions.
They can replace him with a lamp and the collective IQ in the front office will go up.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
season I've ever seen. We were completely uncompetitive and comically bad for months.
The TD to Slayton was the first to a WR since October.
Our LT Thomas had more TD catches than Toney and Golladay combined.
Multiple games with no offensive TDs.
Minus 10 yards passing against the Bears.
Outscored 79 - 0 in the final two minutes of the half.
Terrible clock management and use of TOs.
Wretched STs, including the worst punter in the league.
Repeatedly refusing to go for it on fourth down on the plus side of the field.
Run defense that was repeatedly gashed.
No improvement in the OL.
season I've ever seen. We were completely uncompetitive and comically bad for months.
The TD to Slayton was the first to a WR since October.
Our LT Thomas had more TD catches than Toney and Golladay combined.
Multiple games with no offensive TDs.
Minus 10 yards passing against the Bears.
Outscored 79 - 0 in the final two minutes of the half.
Terrible clock management and use of TOs.
Wretched STs, including the worst punter in the league.
Repeatedly refusing to go for it on fourth down on the plus side of the field.
Run defense that was repeatedly gashed.
No improvement in the OL.
I expect nothing for next year but lets find and develop some real players. Maybe we can rinse the cap hell stink off next year too and productively prepare for 2023. 2023 will be a good year to have a top 3 pick with the projected QBs and Will Anderson.
They need to start this thing over. There’s a few decent pieces here. Let the new GM blow it up and let him do it his way. May take a few years, but I think fans would accept progress at this point, even if we have a losing record. I see nothing that gives me any confidence with Judge or this staff. Please do the right thing Giants!!
They can replace him with a lamp and the collective IQ in the front office will go up.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
I really don’t care if Judge goes or stays for one more year. I don’t care if Abrams goes or stays as interim GM. But get a new OC who has a feel for the flow of a game. Not using Penny on third and one or fourth and one is criminal when Penny is the only RB who has proven to be reliable. Barkley should have been the last guy to carry the ball in that situation.
I wouldn’t have guessed we would have scored 1TD today
With about 3 min left (if memory serves) on 3rd down, flags everywhere, all on NYG I might add, as he’s getting crunched by 3 wtf defenders, was the perfect encapsulating moment. I made my wife come in and watch that play again. I told her to behold the shittiest moment for the shitiest team. True dreadfulness. It was perfect.
They can replace him with a lamp and the collective IQ in the front office will go up.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
First Giants team to lose 10 games or more by double digits in a season
Pending the Jacksonville game, could be the first time since 1953 the Giants finish last in the league in points scored (1953 was the only time in franchise history that happened)
The most dispiriting, depressing, disappointing season I can remember, and I remember the 1970s pretty well. A disaster from beginning to end and the team was unwatchable. At least in the 70s there was usually someone/something to root for on defense.
Absolutely wretched. The whole organization should be embarrassed to be putting out this product.
Obviously a terrible season for them but that is a team that actually plays hard every week and if nothing else Dan Campbell and his staff left everything on the field today. While we ran a quarterback sneak on third and nine.
I think Seattle's strength of schedule passes the Bears regardless of the result today. Not sure about Carolina, I don't think the Bears pick can move up to #6
Obviously a terrible season for them but that is a team that actually plays hard every week and if nothing else Dan Campbell and his staff left everything on the field today. While we ran a quarterback sneak on third and nine.
^This. The Lions are playing hard and they have fewer wins than the Giants.
DG, Abrams all the scouts all the family members and cronies, the team doctor, all the coaches, the marketing team who brought us Medium Pepsi Gate. This organization needs a complete tear down and rebuild.
DG, Abrams all the scouts all the family members and cronies, the team doctor, all the coaches, the marketing team who brought us Medium Pepsi Gate. This organization needs a complete tear down and rebuild.
+1 on this. I said this weeks ago. Honestly, I fire Gettleman right now and not let him get to the retirement annoucnement.
Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
He wanted to make sure he got to the locker room before all the donuts were gone
At least now we know for sure he's not an NFL QB. We already knew how bad Glennon was and really didn't need any more of him after his first game action. Now, there should be no question; we have no QB other than Jones on this roster.
Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
He wanted to make sure he got to the locker room before all the donuts were gone
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
Have been a Gmen fan for sixty years. Had the honor of a lifetime to serve as a ballboy during a portion of Tarkenton era. I have seen just about everything the Giants have done during that time.
I don’t believe in bashing too many players as I saw up front and personal what they go through to play NFL football. Coaching as well is demanding and all consuming to the ultra successful. I did and have learned the difference between success vs. mediocrity. It clearly involves the right personnel, meticulous coaching, ultimate dedication, developing and demanding an excellent team attitude and yes good luck. The Gmen are obviously not in success mode. As a businessman, I know the keys to success reside in the pocket of the top dog. I am no scout and do not pretend to have the answers needed to turn things around. I can assure all that winning will not happen without the right attitude and that comes from leadership. The team must revamp its leadership, talent evaluation, coaching and training routines. The coach is right about one thing; success comes from the right culture. Without culture change from top to bottom, mediocrity is the only space this team will occupy for the foreseeable future.
he needs to be sent packing along with Gettleman, Petit and any scion of the Mara family tree.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
Washington vs. Philly season finale was 20-14 Washington
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Joe Judge said he expects to meet with John Mara for a usual end of season meeting at some point this week. Judge won’t discuss his job security with us. #Giants
RE: Giants somehow avoid finishing last in the NFL in points scored
Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
but it's really, really, really hard to win with Glennon/Fromm. It completely destroys the ability to conduct any semblance of an offense.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Ok, I get that, but how about be competitive? When a 6-10 team comes to town and plays you like they are a 10-6 team just trying to eke out a win and ends up winning by 15. Detroit won today and the Packers played their starters for a half. Jacksonville showed up and may end up keeping the Colts out of the playoffs. The Texans with the immortal Davis Mills put up 25 or so against the Titans.
We aren't just talking about winning; it's 6 embarrassing non-competitive losses in a row with lots of the players looking like they don't care.
RE: RE: Giants somehow avoid finishing last in the NFL in points scored
he needs to be sent packing along with Gettleman, Petit and any scion of the Mara family tree.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
The offensive game plan was non-competitive. You see other teams bring in backup QBs and move the ball and score points. This offense could barely execute a forward pass. It was a complete fucking joke.
If Judge spent many hours putting together this offense then its a wonder he's even employed.
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
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Just heard that. Which NFC playoff team are they “close” to??
Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
OK, so he wasn't playing to win the game. I want to hear Doug Pederson's thoughts, because he was fired for something similar (and Pederson won a Super Bowl)
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
he needs to be sent packing along with Gettleman, Petit and any scion of the Mara family tree.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
The offensive game plan was non-competitive. You see other teams bring in backup QBs and move the ball and score points. This offense could barely execute a forward pass. It was a complete fucking joke.
If Judge spent many hours putting together this offense then its a wonder he's even employed.
again.. being ineffective and incompetent is far different than quitting. That needs to be explained to you too?
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
We're closer to the moon than we are the sun. But it's still 240 thousand miles away.
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
You're looking at that stat and the first thing that comes to mind about Jacksonville is that Trevor Lawrence isn't good?
No, I never said he was not good. In fact, you need to look at it like he MAY be good but he is not in a good situation. People thought drafting the kid was the answer to our problems. If he was our starting QB this year, we would likely have the same number of wins.
Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
JFC. He's worried about punting on second down instead of trying to get a first down in a lost season.
That answer alone should seal his fate.
Today's game was an EXHIBITION GAME to try different things because they game DID NOT MATTER.
Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
OK, so he wasn't playing to win the game. I want to hear Doug Pederson's thoughts, because he was fired for something similar (and Pederson won a Super Bowl)
Pederson wasn't fired for throwing a game. Management in all likelihood signed off on it if it wasn't their idea outright. He was fired because he was being given directives on his staff and he responded with an ultimatum.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants somehow avoid finishing last in the NFL in points scored
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
You're looking at that stat and the first thing that comes to mind about Jacksonville is that Trevor Lawrence isn't good?
No, I never said he was not good. In fact, you need to look at it like he MAY be good but he is not in a good situation. People thought drafting the kid was the answer to our problems. If he was our starting QB this year, we would likely have the same number of wins.
Well sure, but that's an oversimplification. Eli Manning didn't solve the Giants' problems as a rookie either.
Having a QB that you can be confident in going forward is a big part of fixing it. Same as when people felt good about Jones in 2018.
but it's really, really, really hard to win with Glennon/Fromm. It completely destroys the ability to conduct any semblance of an offense.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Each of the Giants' opponents in the last 6 games scored at least 20 points, a number which has been a barrier for the Giants' offense with Jones as QB. Even if Jones had not gotten hurt they likely still finish 4-13.
RE: Judge is talking like he feels like he is going to be back
These 6 losses have been shockingly poor, and so has his behavior.
It's enough to make him think about it. Before now it was probably not happening.
Agree with this. The rant last week combined with how uncompetitive the team has been has almost forced him to seriously consider it.
Even if you don’t fire him you have to at least say “we’ll bring in a new GM and then make a decision on Judge.” You can’t build your team around this clown.
These 6 losses have been shockingly poor, and so has his behavior.
It's enough to make him think about it. Before now it was probably not happening.
Agree with this. The rant last week combined with how uncompetitive the team has been has almost forced him to seriously consider it.
Even if you don’t fire him you have to at least say “we’ll bring in a new GM and then make a decision on Judge.” You can’t build your team around this clown.
Worse than the record over the last 6 weeks, the way Judge has carried himself should be enough. The best I would give him would be hire a new GM and give that person a week or so to decide on the coach. Let them make the decision to keep Judge or not, with no input whatsoever from ownership. I'm pretty sure just about any GM worth anything would take less than the allotted time to let him go.
RE: RE: Giants somehow avoid finishing last in the NFL in points scored
but it's really, really, really hard to win with Glennon/Fromm. It completely destroys the ability to conduct any semblance of an offense.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Ok, I get that, but how about be competitive? When a 6-10 team comes to town and plays you like they are a 10-6 team just trying to eke out a win and ends up winning by 15. Detroit won today and the Packers played their starters for a half. Jacksonville showed up and may end up keeping the Colts out of the playoffs. The Texans with the immortal Davis Mills put up 25 or so against the Titans.
We aren't just talking about winning; it's 6 embarrassing non-competitive losses in a row with lots of the players looking like they don't care.
Glenn, Fromm, and everyone who played on the offensive line not named Andrew Thomas. The decisions that put those players on the field determined this course after Jones went down.
What is it, last 2 minutes heading into the half, something like 79-0? That right there should be full-stop fireable. It has to be some kind of horrid record and it just cannot in any way shape or form be defended.
The Giants entered 2018 primed to start over with a new GM, new head coach, and new quarterback. They bungled that spectacularly and have nothing to show for these past four years.
Here we are again. New GM, new head coach, new quarterback.
Four years just thrown away.
I have been watching the Giants since 1959. I have never ever seen
The Giants disrespect their own players like they did today running 2 straight QB sneaks inside their own 5 yard line today.
Total embarrassment to a once proud football organization.
Worse than anything I saw in 1966.
this loss happened almost exactly how I wanted. I think the only way Judge had a chance to go would be if he did something wacky and embarrassing and the QB sneaks might have been it. And the stadium was half empty. I just wished Washington scored one more TD and we didn't get that Fromm to Slay fluke TD.
The Giants entered 2018 primed to start over with a new GM, new head coach, and new quarterback. They bungled that spectacularly and have nothing to show for these past four years.
Here we are again. New GM, new head coach, new quarterback.
Four years just thrown away.
Missing on a QB pick sets your team back 5 years as they say.
Zero creativity!
Just hand the ball to the dancer.
Anyone on BBI could coach the offense to be this bad.
This isn't a hard luck team, losing games in the 4th qtr b/c they just don't have enough players... this is a historically pathetic team that barely shows up week in and week out.
They are lost.
and none of this stink can remain for another season.
What is ridiculous is a team this bad is picking 5th in the draft. No way there are 4 teams better than the Giants.
Been an amazing four years.
The D will give up a score. They always do after O does something good.
The defense is the only unit that showed up today.
They give up their first TD with less than 7 minutes left in the game and our fans are getting on them??? Ridiculous.
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Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
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Dave Gettleman declined to say anything when asked for a comment as he left the press box and headed downstairs with about five minutes remaining. His record in 4 years as GM will be 19-46. #Giants
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Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
And, no accountability.
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Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
That's pretty weak. I understand he is leaving but he could have taken a few minutes to answer a couple questions.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
The TD to Slayton was the first to a WR since October.
Our LT Thomas had more TD catches than Toney and Golladay combined.
Multiple games with no offensive TDs.
Minus 10 yards passing against the Bears.
Outscored 79 - 0 in the final two minutes of the half.
Terrible clock management and use of TOs.
Wretched STs, including the worst punter in the league.
Repeatedly refusing to go for it on fourth down on the plus side of the field.
Run defense that was repeatedly gashed.
No improvement in the OL.
Fire everyone.
I definitely think the Jags can.
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The Jags and Texans would beat Giants.
I definitely think the Jags can.
Lions, too.
The TD to Slayton was the first to a WR since October.
Our LT Thomas had more TD catches than Toney and Golladay combined.
Multiple games with no offensive TDs.
Minus 10 yards passing against the Bears.
Outscored 79 - 0 in the final two minutes of the half.
Terrible clock management and use of TOs.
Wretched STs, including the worst punter in the league.
Repeatedly refusing to go for it on fourth down on the plus side of the field.
Run defense that was repeatedly gashed.
No improvement in the OL.
Fire everyone.
When you put it in story form, it sounds bad.
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They can replace him with a lamp and the collective IQ in the front office will go up.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
Yup. Incredible.
At least he didn't run himself into an injury or trip over a yard line.
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At least he didn't run himself into an injury or trip over a yard line.
Being far, Fromm is a better athlete then Jones.
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At least he didn't run himself into an injury or trip over a yard line.
Give him time, but i suggest you maybe watch the USFL this spring.
Judge definitely earned another year
First Giants coach to 13 losses in a single season
6 straight blowout losses.
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They can replace him with a lamp and the collective IQ in the front office will go up.
Been an amazing four years.
Think of all the defenders and apologists, and how defensive and/or downright offensive they were towards Gettleman's critics. So unbelievable, especially in hindsight.
X100
Pending the Jacksonville game, could be the first time since 1953 the Giants finish last in the league in points scored (1953 was the only time in franchise history that happened)
Mara currently calling Accorsi on a landline to see who he recommends to Judge
Hoping for brighter days ahead.
Really huge with Gettleman no longer making the decision on using the pose picks.
Absolutely wretched. The whole organization should be embarrassed to be putting out this product.
Watch Mara blame it on Jones’s injury never mind the fact that Detroit is scoring more with backups than we ever did with starters
Each game lost by 10 points or more to add.
^This. The Lions are playing hard and they have fewer wins than the Giants.
Can't wait to hear Mara twist himself into knots trying to explain "improvement" if he inexplicably keeps Judge.
Judge is gone.
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Can't wait to hear Mara twist himself into knots trying to explain "improvement" if he inexplicably keeps Judge.
He can't. But I doubt he cares.
The game itself or the fact we have fans who actually went to the game?
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Can't wait to hear Mara twist himself into knots trying to explain "improvement" if he inexplicably keeps Judge.
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Taking a knee on 2nd & 3rd down deep in their own end in the 2nd quarter was the point of no return. This guy should never coach another NFL game.
We scored seven TDs after the bye, and three of those were clearly in "garbage time."
This guy works for Hanlon. Speaking out of the corner of his mouth like Mary Jo Buttafuoco
This guy works for Hanlon. Speaking out of the corner of his mouth like Mary Jo Buttafuoco
Watching him now... What a disgrace and disaster
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Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
He wanted to make sure he got to the locker room before all the donuts were gone
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Dave Gettleman just walked past a group of reporters on his way to the locker room. Gettleman didn’t break stride when asked if he had anything to say.
He wanted to make sure he got to the locker room before all the donuts were gone
Disgraceful.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB and Urban Meyer as their coach most of the season
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Each game lost by 10 points or more to add.
Took the past month to match league average points per game.
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
I don’t believe in bashing too many players as I saw up front and personal what they go through to play NFL football. Coaching as well is demanding and all consuming to the ultra successful. I did and have learned the difference between success vs. mediocrity. It clearly involves the right personnel, meticulous coaching, ultimate dedication, developing and demanding an excellent team attitude and yes good luck. The Gmen are obviously not in success mode. As a businessman, I know the keys to success reside in the pocket of the top dog. I am no scout and do not pretend to have the answers needed to turn things around. I can assure all that winning will not happen without the right attitude and that comes from leadership. The team must revamp its leadership, talent evaluation, coaching and training routines. The coach is right about one thing; success comes from the right culture. Without culture change from top to bottom, mediocrity is the only space this team will occupy for the foreseeable future.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
There were several plays in this 22-7 loss where Giants players weren't trying
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Joe Judge said he expects to meet with John Mara for a usual end of season meeting at some point this week. Judge won’t discuss his job security with us. #Giants
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
Oh. My. God.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
We aren't just talking about winning; it's 6 embarrassing non-competitive losses in a row with lots of the players looking like they don't care.
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Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
You're looking at that stat and the first thing that comes to mind about Jacksonville is that Trevor Lawrence isn't good?
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he needs to be sent packing along with Gettleman, Petit and any scion of the Mara family tree.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
The offensive game plan was non-competitive. You see other teams bring in backup QBs and move the ball and score points. This offense could barely execute a forward pass. It was a complete fucking joke.
If Judge spent many hours putting together this offense then its a wonder he's even employed.
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
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Just heard that. Which NFC playoff team are they “close” to??
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OK, so he wasn't playing to win the game. I want to hear Doug Pederson's thoughts, because he was fired for something similar (and Pederson won a Super Bowl)
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
Oh. My. God.
How?!?!? HOW?!?!?!
Holy fuck. I can't stand this guy.
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he needs to be sent packing along with Gettleman, Petit and any scion of the Mara family tree.
another baseless comment. you can say Judge is not effective and is not a good coach. But he quit? Do you know how many hours he put into the game plan at the facility this week?
The offensive game plan was non-competitive. You see other teams bring in backup QBs and move the ball and score points. This offense could barely execute a forward pass. It was a complete fucking joke.
If Judge spent many hours putting together this offense then its a wonder he's even employed.
again.. being ineffective and incompetent is far different than quitting. That needs to be explained to you too?
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Asked how close the Giants are to contending, Joe Judge referred to his 11-minute answer last week and said again "I know that we're closer than we are further away."
We're closer to the moon than we are the sun. But it's still 240 thousand miles away.
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They finished 31st with 258
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
You're looking at that stat and the first thing that comes to mind about Jacksonville is that Trevor Lawrence isn't good?
No, I never said he was not good. In fact, you need to look at it like he MAY be good but he is not in a good situation. People thought drafting the kid was the answer to our problems. If he was our starting QB this year, we would likely have the same number of wins.
...And that's the most damning part, that after all the talk, the sermons and diatribes, it was HE who quit.
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Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
JFC. He's worried about punting on second down instead of trying to get a first down in a lost season.
That answer alone should seal his fate.
Today's game was an EXHIBITION GAME to try different things because they game DID NOT MATTER.
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Joe Judge said he ran those two QB sneaks deep in their own territory because he wanted to create space for when they punted it on fourth down. #Giants
OK, so he wasn't playing to win the game. I want to hear Doug Pederson's thoughts, because he was fired for something similar (and Pederson won a Super Bowl)
Pederson wasn't fired for throwing a game. Management in all likelihood signed off on it if it wasn't their idea outright. He was fired because he was being given directives on his staff and he responded with an ultimatum.
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In comment 15538826 EricJ said:
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In comment 15538791 dpinzow said:
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They finished 31st with 258
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
You're looking at that stat and the first thing that comes to mind about Jacksonville is that Trevor Lawrence isn't good?
No, I never said he was not good. In fact, you need to look at it like he MAY be good but he is not in a good situation. People thought drafting the kid was the answer to our problems. If he was our starting QB this year, we would likely have the same number of wins.
Well sure, but that's an oversimplification. Eli Manning didn't solve the Giants' problems as a rookie either.
Having a QB that you can be confident in going forward is a big part of fixing it. Same as when people felt good about Jones in 2018.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Judge was all on board with signing Glennon and letting McCoy walk.
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB and Urban Meyer as their coach most of the season
Giants would have finished dead last if Jacksonville had fired Meyer sooner.
He's delusional
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They finished 31st with 258
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB and Urban Meyer as their coach most of the season
Giants would have finished dead last if Jacksonville had fired Meyer sooner.
Wouldn’t had Jones not gotten hurt.
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They finished 31st with 258
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB and Urban Meyer as their coach most of the season
Giants would have finished dead last if Jacksonville had fired Meyer sooner.
Wouldn’t had Jones not gotten hurt.
Stop..Jones sucks. Maybe they average 3-6 points more per game had he stayed healthy? Who fucking cares?
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Each of the Giants' opponents in the last 6 games scored at least 20 points, a number which has been a barrier for the Giants' offense with Jones as QB. Even if Jones had not gotten hurt they likely still finish 4-13.
Because Mara is even more of a clown than JJ.
It's enough to make him think about it. Before now it was probably not happening.
It's enough to make him think about it. Before now it was probably not happening.
Agree with this. The rant last week combined with how uncompetitive the team has been has almost forced him to seriously consider it.
Even if you don’t fire him you have to at least say “we’ll bring in a new GM and then make a decision on Judge.” You can’t build your team around this clown.
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These 6 losses have been shockingly poor, and so has his behavior.
It's enough to make him think about it. Before now it was probably not happening.
Agree with this. The rant last week combined with how uncompetitive the team has been has almost forced him to seriously consider it.
Even if you don’t fire him you have to at least say “we’ll bring in a new GM and then make a decision on Judge.” You can’t build your team around this clown.
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They finished 31st with 258
Jacksonville finished dead last with 253. They had a rookie QB ..
We had people here saying we should "tank for Trevor"
Well, it could always be "Get mangled for Manning". JK.
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but it's really, really, really hard to win with Glennon/Fromm. It completely destroys the ability to conduct any semblance of an offense.
I don't want to throw out excuses, or imply I want Judge back, but one has to accept the effect from losing DJ down the stretch.
Ok, I get that, but how about be competitive? When a 6-10 team comes to town and plays you like they are a 10-6 team just trying to eke out a win and ends up winning by 15. Detroit won today and the Packers played their starters for a half. Jacksonville showed up and may end up keeping the Colts out of the playoffs. The Texans with the immortal Davis Mills put up 25 or so against the Titans.
We aren't just talking about winning; it's 6 embarrassing non-competitive losses in a row with lots of the players looking like they don't care.
Glenn, Fromm, and everyone who played on the offensive line not named Andrew Thomas. The decisions that put those players on the field determined this course after Jones went down.
Jones sucks. Why was this team an offensive juggernaut with jones? He had 1 TDs in the year.
The fact he wasn’t on the field is all his fault anyway.
Here we are again. New GM, new head coach, new quarterback.
Four years just thrown away.
Total embarrassment to a once proud football organization.
Worse than anything I saw in 1966.
Mediocre O-line.
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Wait til next decade?
But I'm mentally drained. This season broke me.
Mara’s playing a perpetual game of “pick two.”
You always gotta have continuity. Always.
Here we are again. New GM, new head coach, new quarterback.
Four years just thrown away.
Missing on a QB pick sets your team back 5 years as they say.