with Bettcher taking over. We’re still lacking that Dog at NT, Tomlinson made the job of the other Dlinemen easier IMO. LBers also have really not been addressed well enough. If Martinez can return to form, then the’ll still need another ILB as Crowder is not physical enough inside and completely gets taken out of plays. Ojulari is decent OLB, but needs to get better at setting the edge. Carter is an enigma and has been inconsistent against the run too! In addition to Oline, LBers need to be addressed.
teams including the Giants have won SB's with a 3-4 defense. However you need the players, you can't sign and add players that doesn't fit your scheme. Giants do that for both offense and defense.
it’s Graham’s questionable play calling at the end of both halves and more importantly, our GM has only brought one competent edge rusher aboard through Free Agency and the draft in four years: Ojulari.
You can’t run a successful 3-4 with poor edge players. Players like Carter, Ximines, etc. have not panned out. DG prefers to spend shit tons of money and picks on the secondary.
"3-4 defense sucks. We don't have the players for it"
I don’t think he’s bad by any means, but he has blown a lot of late leads, particular last season and the early part of this one. They can never close out games. It’s a problem.
You need some quality linebackers to make it work and when you look at this organization when was the last time we had a good linebacking Core and when was the last time we drafted a good linebacker. Bottom line our best linebacker tore his ACL early this season and our second best linebacker is playing on one good leg.
The issue is running a 3-4 without an anchoring NT or any LBs to speak of. Even with a healthy Martinez, their LB corps are terrible. Combine that with running 2 high safeties who regularly play 15-20 yards off the ball and CBs who regularly are 10-15 yards off the ball and what do you expect?
I am also opposed to this notion of EDGE. What they have are a bunch of mediocre at best pass rushers who do nothing else. We need a true OLB who can set the edge, play the run, pursue a backside play, cover a TE, etc.
We let Tomlinson go and lost our leading tackler in Martinez. If they would have drafted Parsons we may have been a much better overall defense.
Ojulari has been a decent player and he got better as the season went on. Adding Jaylon Smith was smart as he is a smart and instinctively player. I wonder what will happen with Zo Carter, he played pretty well especially late in the season.
We need to add an edge rusher in round 1 or 2 to keep bringing in talent at a critical position. I like Christian Harris from Bama in round 2 or Muma in round 3.
I will say we don’t tackle very well. I’d like to see an improvement there.
The 3-4 defense is not the problem. The play calls yes. Plus we are playing basically a nickel defense 65% of the time.
all defenses require talent to work. the 3/4 requires a talented nose
tackle, something which the giant staff seemingly didn’t realize and fight to keep Tomlinson. Tomlinson walked and Giants defense “nose” dived, pun intended. it’s why we cant stop run nor generate inside pass rush. under parcells and belicheck giants worked for years to get a successful talented nose. when the did the giants defense became legendary.
We need a talented nose and hope martinez comes back as good as he was. i doubt he will and add a mlb to our talent needs on d.
in short for the giants to be competitive they need an infusion of talent to control and improve the inside of the offense and defense lines.
The DC has done a great job considering no edge players. No linebackers once Blake went down. Banged up secondary. He’s done a great great job. Also not to mention the offense can’t control the clock and has no run game so the defense is constantly on the field. The defense alone is why we have been in so many games while jones was healthy. Amazing what fans see
The issue is running a 3-4 without an anchoring NT or any LBs to speak of. Even with a healthy Martinez, their LB corps are terrible. Combine that with running 2 high safeties who regularly play 15-20 yards off the ball and CBs who regularly are 10-15 yards off the ball and what do you expect?
I am also opposed to this notion of EDGE. What they have are a bunch of mediocre at best pass rushers who do nothing else. We need a true OLB who can set the edge, play the run, pursue a backside play, cover a TE, etc.
From what I understand, EDGE is a nebulous term for 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs, both are essential to setting the end of the line or rushing the passer from the side. Our guys do neither well.
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You can’t run a successful 3-4 with poor edge players. Players like Carter, Ximines, etc. have not panned out. DG prefers to spend shit tons of money and picks on the secondary.
I don’t think he’s bad by any means, but he has blown a lot of late leads, particular last season and the early part of this one. They can never close out games. It’s a problem.
Also, not sure if Judge is having him play it safe at the end. Just like I'm not sure if he was having Garrett and now Kitchens play conservative.
I am also opposed to this notion of EDGE. What they have are a bunch of mediocre at best pass rushers who do nothing else. We need a true OLB who can set the edge, play the run, pursue a backside play, cover a TE, etc.
Ojulari has been a decent player and he got better as the season went on. Adding Jaylon Smith was smart as he is a smart and instinctively player. I wonder what will happen with Zo Carter, he played pretty well especially late in the season.
We need to add an edge rusher in round 1 or 2 to keep bringing in talent at a critical position. I like Christian Harris from Bama in round 2 or Muma in round 3.
I will say we don’t tackle very well. I’d like to see an improvement there.
The 3-4 defense is not the problem. The play calls yes. Plus we are playing basically a nickel defense 65% of the time.
We need a talented nose and hope martinez comes back as good as he was. i doubt he will and add a mlb to our talent needs on d.
in short for the giants to be competitive they need an infusion of talent to control and improve the inside of the offense and defense lines.
I am also opposed to this notion of EDGE. What they have are a bunch of mediocre at best pass rushers who do nothing else. We need a true OLB who can set the edge, play the run, pursue a backside play, cover a TE, etc.
From what I understand, EDGE is a nebulous term for 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs, both are essential to setting the end of the line or rushing the passer from the side. Our guys do neither well.