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ray in arlington : 1/9/2022 7:35 pm
1. JAC
2. DET
3. HOU
4. NYJ
5. NYG
6. CAR
7. NYG

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Ooops.  
Pepe LePugh : 1/9/2022 8:06 pm : link
Sorry for duplicate post.
Stupid Ben Bredeson trade  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2022 8:07 pm : link
cost us a #4.
RE: Hopefully No Hamilton or Stingley or Williams  
DonnieD89 : 1/9/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15539762 giantstock said:
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Hopefully Giants go with 1sttwo picks of combo of OL and Edge.

Trade down if need be.


Agree
RE: If the Giants hadn't lost two games by FGs in the final seconds  
k2tampa : 1/9/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15539753 GeofromNJ said:
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they would be picking a whole lot lower despite the abysmal condition of this team. Let's hope the next GM knows how to recognize talent.


And if the Bears had not won two of their last six on last play field goals the Giants would be picking 4 and 5.
Will be interesting to see what the new GM decides  
beatrixkiddo : 1/9/2022 8:27 pm : link
But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.
RE: Stupid Ben Bredeson trade  
Beer Man : 1/9/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15539768 Eric from BBI said:
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cost us a #4.
Given that 4 of the OL positions are unsettle for next season, the Giants may have to start Bredeson at one of the OGs
Our 36 and 67 would land us in the 21 area  
stoneman : 1/9/2022 8:30 pm : link
you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).
This is better than where I thought it would be...  
EricJ : 1/9/2022 8:37 pm : link
that said... the decisions that are made prior to the draft will have the greatest impact on the future of this team.
RE: It's very possible that the Football Giants will get the third best OT  
M.S. : 1/9/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15539643 Anakim said:
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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.


Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)

Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health

Who is Ickey?
RE: Will be interesting to see what the new GM decides  
k2tampa : 1/9/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15539886 beatrixkiddo said:
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But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.


Carolina didn't trade a 2, 4 in this draft and 6 last year for Darnold to give up on him this fast. Offensive line is the glaring need in Carolina. Trade down from 7 if you are going to trade down.
The fuck-ups drafting  
SomeFan : 1/9/2022 8:42 pm : link
better not mess this draft or we are in for long term hurt. I don’t want to hear any excuses either. At 5 and 7, they better choose long-term impact players.
RE: Stupid Ben Bredeson trade  
M.S. : 1/9/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15539768 Eric from BBI said:
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cost us a #4.

You had to remind us!
Isn't the CURRENT scouting staff data  
M.S. : 1/9/2022 8:45 pm : link

the foundation for the 2022 Draft Board?
RE: RE: It's very possible that the Football Giants will get the third best OT  
GFAN52 : 1/9/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15539958 M.S. said:
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In comment 15539643 Anakim said:


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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.


Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)

Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health


Who is Ickey?


Ikem Ekwonu, G, NC State 6'4" 320
GFAN52  
M.S. : 1/9/2022 8:55 pm : link

Much thanks!
RE: We should trade  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/9/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15539699 BigBlueJ said:
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on of those picks and really clean up and get something for next year as well. That is how you start building.


You start building by picking good players.

They have plenty of picks they do t need to trade premium picks for crap.
RE: It's annoying that arguably the worst Giants team in 40 yrs  
dpinzow : 1/9/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15539707 BH28 said:
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Is picking 5th. I find it hard to believe that there are 4 worse teams than the Giants right now.


And there's no QB worth either pick
Definitely no QB's. Take the best lineman, OL or DL with the 5th pick  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/9/2022 9:07 pm : link
and then trade down with the 7th, to grab another lineman.

Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.

All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.
RE: RE: Stupid Ben Bredeson trade  
Jimmy Googs : 1/9/2022 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15539977 M.S. said:
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In comment 15539768 Eric from BBI said:


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cost us a #4.


You had to remind us!


More of a whatever. Bredeson isn’t all that worse than any of our other Guards.

Giants should go sign a middle priced free agent Guard and then have him compete with Bredeson and Lemieux next season for the starting jobs and relegate the other to be the swing Guard.

RE: Definitely no QB's. Take the best lineman, OL or DL with the 5th pick  
dpinzow : 1/9/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15540074 Jim in Hoboken said:
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and then trade down with the 7th, to grab another lineman.

Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.

All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.


Cross or Ekwonu at 5 (Neal is probably unavailable) and Linderbaum with the Bears pick, or trade the Bears pick down and see if you can get an OL and pass rusher with two more premium picks
trading back into the 1st with 67 and 80  
stoneman : 1/9/2022 9:22 pm : link
would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).
RE: trading back into the 1st with 67 and 80  
dpinzow : 1/9/2022 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15540116 stoneman said:
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would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).


I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick
RE: RE: trading back into the 1st with 67 and 80  
stoneman : 1/9/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15540135 dpinzow said:
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In comment 15540116 stoneman said:


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would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).



I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick


I was inferring that you have to forfeit 67 and 80 to move the 36 pick up to the 16-20 range.
RE: I say we trade both our picks  
Festina Lente : 1/9/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15539732 Jersey Heel said:
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For future number 1’s. We should keep doing that until 2030, when we’ll have the entire first round all to ourselves.


Hahaha
RE: RE: It's very possible that the Football Giants will get the third best OT  
Anakim : 1/9/2022 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15539694 Milton said:
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In comment 15539643 Anakim said:


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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.

It's also possible that the three top OL are so evenly graded that getting the third one off the board is no worse than getting the first one.


Could be, sure. But any GM would like his pick of the litter.
In 5 years of drafts  
Scooter185 : 1/9/2022 9:57 pm : link
The Giants will have picked at almost every spot in the top 7, just missing #1 and 3
RE: Isn't the CURRENT scouting staff data  
BillKo : 1/9/2022 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15539982 M.S. said:
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the foundation for the 2022 Draft Board?


Yes it is.

But I'd have to think you can still run a draft with a new FO and also use other sources for evaluating players.

Hell, just call Sy!
Brederson  
stretch234 : 1/9/2022 9:59 pm : link
I think you give him a shot next year at either guard spot. Baltimore is usually very solid on drafting interior OL and had a glut as you can only keep so many OL on the roster. He was a 4th rd pick 2 years ago

Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
RE: In 5 years of drafts  
Anakim : 1/9/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15540218 Scooter185 said:
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The Giants will have picked at almost every spot in the top 7, just missing #1 and 3



And look how well we've used those top-10 picks! Flowers, Apple, Saquon, DJ...

The only good one was Andrew Thomas
RE: Brederson  
Mark from Jersey : 1/9/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15540227 stretch234 said:
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I think you give him a shot next year at either guard spot. Baltimore is usually very solid on drafting interior OL and had a glut as you can only keep so many OL on the roster. He was a 4th rd pick 2 years ago

Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
Its been a while since he saw the field but I remember him being at least serviceable when he was in there...cannot say that about pretty much anyone else on the OL not named Thomas
RE: Trade Jones and Barkley  
BillKo : 1/9/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15539737 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Keep accumulating picks.


I see zero market for Barkley.

Jones could bring some value and I think a new GM will entertain just about anything. Only a handful of players you'd really want to keep around that have real trade value.
They need  
Les in TO : 1/9/2022 10:09 pm : link
To land these picks - no more Engrams Barkley’s Joneses or Apples. If this ship is going to turn these need to be hits.
RE: Our 36 and 67 would land us in the 21 area  
giantstock : 1/9/2022 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15539904 stoneman said:
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you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).


You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.

At the very least before 80 you get

1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.
RE: In 5 years of drafts  
FStubbs : 1/9/2022 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15540218 Scooter185 said:
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The Giants will have picked at almost every spot in the top 7, just missing #1 and 3


Consider in the DG era we've spent a #2,4,6, and 20 overall on offense, and our offense is a disaster.
RE: RE: Our 36 and 67 would land us in the 21 area  
BleedBlue : 1/9/2022 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15540265 giantstock said:
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In comment 15539904 stoneman said:


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you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).



You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.

At the very least before 80 you get

1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.


If msrtinez comes back healthy and we retain smith we are fine at ILB.

Wr we are good eith golladay toney andbmaybe we bring back slayton for cheap. Shep gone.

Te, OL and edge

We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge
Let’s get a completely clean slate. New GM, new coach and new QB  
Mike in NJ : 1/9/2022 10:45 pm : link
Take Pickett and the best OL available to protect him.
No one picking before us should want a QB top 5  
Debaser : 1/9/2022 11:04 pm : link
Texas maybe?
RE: RE: RE: Our 36 and 67 would land us in the 21 area  
giantstock : 1/9/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15540303 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 15540265 giantstock said:


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In comment 15539904 stoneman said:


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you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).



You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.

At the very least before 80 you get

1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.



If msrtinez comes back healthy and we retain smith we are fine at ILB.

Wr we are good eith golladay toney andbmaybe we bring back slayton for cheap. Shep gone.

Te, OL and edge

We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge


We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge [/quote]
1—ILB I hope you are right about Smith but there still is question how good he is. Just because he is better than what we have doesn't mean he is any good.

2a—ILB The Giants are in rebuild. Where does Blake Martinez fit in?
2b—ILB How effective will Blake be after his injury? Again just because he is better than what we currently have doesn't mean Giants should have him beyond 2022.

3a—WR Toney is always hurt. Slayton is a number 4 WR not a starter.

3b—WR Golladay was hurt last year and he was hurt this year. Even today it looked like one of his catches he came up gimpy a bit. He can't be reoiled upon to be 100%.
Considering 3A and 3B - our two top receivers have shown to be injury prone so far at Slayton is at best a bottom tier number 3 WR but actually he is a 4.

The Giants could use a WR that could limit the impact for injuries on a given Sunday for Golladay and Toney. Right now when one is out, the opposing team either has an elite corner that will minimize one or they can double the one whenever the other is hurt. Which so far has been often.

Another top flight WR alleviated this concern drastically and allows Slayton to be more effective at a more suitable number 4 WR. .
RE: No one picking before us should want a QB top 5  
allstarjim : 1/9/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15540360 Debaser said:
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Texas maybe?


Very rral possibility. That said, Davis Mills has earned himself a chance to at least compete.

I really believe the Giants are going to love Karlaftis. Him and Ekwonu or Cross makes a lot of sense.

I think Hutch, Neal, Thibodeaux, Stingily are your top 4 unless someone moves up for Corral.
RE: RE: No one picking before us should want a QB top 5  
Eman11 : 1/10/2022 12:27 am : link
In comment 15540414 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15540360 Debaser said:


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Texas maybe?



Very rral possibility. That said, Davis Mills has earned himself a chance to at least compete.

I really believe the Giants are going to love Karlaftis. Him and Ekwonu or Cross makes a lot of sense.

I think Hutch, Neal, Thibodeaux, Stingily are your top 4 unless someone moves up for Corral.


If that’s the top 4, I’m taking Hamilton at 5 and one of those two OL at 7. I also wouldn’t hate it if we took Dean at 7 if we got an OL in FA, and then some more OL help in our next three picks.
Giants should grab tge 2 best oline available. They have high picks  
Jack Stroud : 1/10/2022 12:30 am : link
in the later rounds to get pass rushers, WR, DT. They must fix that oline, get a pass rush, and a run stuffer DT.
Chart is fairly even for all 3 which would you rather have……?  
Carl in CT : 1/10/2022 12:33 am : link
A) Giants # 5 & #7

B) Jets #4 & #10

C) Eagles #15, #16, #21


Choice and why?
So now we know draft 1-18  
ray in arlington : 1/10/2022 12:36 am : link

1. JAC
2. DET
3. HOU
4. NYJ
5. NYG
6. CAR
7. NYG
8. ATL
9. DEN
10. NYJ
11. WAS
12. MIN
13. CLE
14. BAL
15. PHI
16. PHI
17. LAC
18. NO



RE: Chart is fairly even for all 3 which would you rather have……?  
ray in arlington : 1/10/2022 12:39 am : link
In comment 15540591 Carl in CT said:
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A) Giants # 5 & #7

B) Jets #4 & #10

C) Eagles #15, #16, #21


Choice and why?


PHI can't be 21. They can be 19, 25, 29, 31 or 32
RE: Chart is fairly even for all 3 which would you rather have……?  
ray in arlington : 1/10/2022 12:40 am : link
In comment 15540591 Carl in CT said:
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A) Giants # 5 & #7

B) Jets #4 & #10

C) Eagles #15, #16, #21


Choice and why?


But still a fun question...
I don’t know what the chart says  
giantBCP : 1/10/2022 9:17 am : link
but in the real world, picks 5 and 7 have more value than the other two options.
RE: Hopefully No Hamilton or Stingley or Williams  
Highlander : 1/10/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15539762 giantstock said:
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Hopefully Giants go with 1sttwo picks of combo of OL and Edge.

Trade down if need be.


Absolutely agree.
RE: Will be interesting to see what the new GM decides  
VinegarPeppers : 1/10/2022 10:30 am : link
Depth for the OL? We need 4 new starters for the OL. 70% of our problems on offense is the OL. They suck. Injuries to WRs and DJs struggles make up the rest. We cannot go into this draft thinking anything but STARTING OL. Plug and play. Go top shelf with the two first rounders and finally start locking-in a 10 year OL.

n comment 15539886 beatrixkiddo said:
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But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.
The GM, whomever it may be,  
Simms11 : 1/10/2022 10:32 am : link
will have to have a draft like the ‘74 Steelers in order to get this ship righted!!
Why wouldn't Detroit be thinking QB?  
chick310 : 1/10/2022 10:37 am : link
Goff has a decent cap hit this year but can easily be shed in 2023. The Lions could grab a rookie QB and start putting him into games by end of 2022 season.

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