in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
this was a pretty optimal situation going into the day
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
I don't think the Texans will pick a QB. David Culley doubled down on Davis Mills.
Interesting trade offers from Quarterback strarving trams
It would be from teams looking to jump the Panthers. Panthers will go all in for one of the big name qbs in a trade and give up there first pick or draft a qb.
Redskins may look to jump the panthers to get a QB if they end up liking one of them.
RE: It's very possible that the Football Giants will get the third best OT
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
It's also possible that the three top OL are so evenly graded that getting the third one off the board is no worse than getting the first one. Right now an argument can be made for any of the three as top dog. You could see Cross as the best left tackle, Neal as having the highest upside, and Ekwonu as the safest best for a long career (albeit on the right side).
I would be happy with Cross/Ickey at #5 and Ojabu/ Linderbaum at #7. Or better yet trade down a few spots from #7 if possible. Can still get possibly Ojabu or Linderbaum.
RE: RE: RE: It's very possible that the Football Giants will get the third best OT
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
I don't think the Texans will pick a QB. David Culley doubled down on Davis Mills.
But from what I've read, Linderbaum (sp?), is basically Bruce Matthews 2.0, if that's the case, Giants need to draft him. Can someone with more knowledge on college football chime in or direct me to a reputable source?
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[quote] in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Rookie salary slot for #5 pick will be 4 years for about $32M, with $6M year 1 cap number. I can’t see reaching when you already have your LT, and there are so many other holes to patch. I expect that just about all of our other day 1 and 2 picks will have value picks available for the OL.
I know it’s been said often, but how can you be this bad and only be
picking fifth?
Pass rush & OL. I’d like to trade down from 7 and add extra picks for next season when Bryce Young, Stroud, and Uigalele are available. (The latter will really have to improve.)
Interesting trade offers from Quarterback strarving trams
It would be from teams looking to jump the Panthers. Panthers will go all in for one of the big name qbs in a trade and give up there first pick or draft a qb.
Redskins may look to jump the panthers to get a QB if they end up liking one of them.
A team that may want to move up for a QB- Denver, who picks #9. They have a number of key pieces and may believe that they are a QB away. They might be willing to overpay to move up to 5.
there are several QB need teams not too far down that may want a trade
In comment 15539643 Anakim said:
[quote] in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Rookie salary slot for #5 pick will be 4 years for about $32M, with $6M year 1 cap number. I can’t see reaching when you already have your LT, and there are so many other holes to patch. I expect that just about all of our other day 1 and 2 picks will have value picks available for the OL.
But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Who is Ickey?
RE: Will be interesting to see what the new GM decides
But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.
Carolina didn't trade a 2, 4 in this draft and 6 last year for Darnold to give up on him this fast. Offensive line is the glaring need in Carolina. Trade down from 7 if you are going to trade down.
better not mess this draft or we are in for long term hurt. I don’t want to hear any excuses either. At 5 and 7, they better choose long-term impact players.
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
and then trade down with the 7th, to grab another lineman.
Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.
All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.
More of a whatever. Bredeson isn’t all that worse than any of our other Guards.
Giants should go sign a middle priced free agent Guard and then have him compete with Bredeson and Lemieux next season for the starting jobs and relegate the other to be the swing Guard.
RE: Definitely no QB's. Take the best lineman, OL or DL with the 5th pick
and then trade down with the 7th, to grab another lineman.
Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.
All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.
Cross or Ekwonu at 5 (Neal is probably unavailable) and Linderbaum with the Bears pick, or trade the Bears pick down and see if you can get an OL and pass rusher with two more premium picks
would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).
would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).
I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick
would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).
I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick
I was inferring that you have to forfeit 67 and 80 to move the 36 pick up to the 16-20 range.
in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
It's also possible that the three top OL are so evenly graded that getting the third one off the board is no worse than getting the first one.
Could be, sure. But any GM would like his pick of the litter.
I think you give him a shot next year at either guard spot. Baltimore is usually very solid on drafting interior OL and had a glut as you can only keep so many OL on the roster. He was a 4th rd pick 2 years ago
Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
I think you give him a shot next year at either guard spot. Baltimore is usually very solid on drafting interior OL and had a glut as you can only keep so many OL on the roster. He was a 4th rd pick 2 years ago
Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
Its been a while since he saw the field but I remember him being at least serviceable when he was in there...cannot say that about pretty much anyone else on the OL not named Thomas
Jones could bring some value and I think a new GM will entertain just about anything. Only a handful of players you'd really want to keep around that have real trade value.
you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).
You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.
At the very least before 80 you get
1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.
If msrtinez comes back healthy and we retain smith we are fine at ILB.
Wr we are good eith golladay toney andbmaybe we bring back slayton for cheap. Shep gone.
Te, OL and edge
We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge
We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge [/quote]
1—ILB I hope you are right about Smith but there still is question how good he is. Just because he is better than what we have doesn't mean he is any good.
2a—ILB The Giants are in rebuild. Where does Blake Martinez fit in?
2b—ILB How effective will Blake be after his injury? Again just because he is better than what we currently have doesn't mean Giants should have him beyond 2022.
3a—WR Toney is always hurt. Slayton is a number 4 WR not a starter.
3b—WR Golladay was hurt last year and he was hurt this year. Even today it looked like one of his catches he came up gimpy a bit. He can't be reoiled upon to be 100%.
Considering 3A and 3B - our two top receivers have shown to be injury prone so far at Slayton is at best a bottom tier number 3 WR but actually he is a 4.
The Giants could use a WR that could limit the impact for injuries on a given Sunday for Golladay and Toney. Right now when one is out, the opposing team either has an elite corner that will minimize one or they can double the one whenever the other is hurt. Which so far has been often.
Another top flight WR alleviated this concern drastically and allows Slayton to be more effective at a more suitable number 4 WR. .
RE: No one picking before us should want a QB top 5
Very rral possibility. That said, Davis Mills has earned himself a chance to at least compete.
I really believe the Giants are going to love Karlaftis. Him and Ekwonu or Cross makes a lot of sense.
I think Hutch, Neal, Thibodeaux, Stingily are your top 4 unless someone moves up for Corral.
If that’s the top 4, I’m taking Hamilton at 5 and one of those two OL at 7. I also wouldn’t hate it if we took Dean at 7 if we got an OL in FA, and then some more OL help in our next three picks.
Giants should grab tge 2 best oline available. They have high picks
Depth for the OL? We need 4 new starters for the OL. 70% of our problems on offense is the OL. They suck. Injuries to WRs and DJs struggles make up the rest. We cannot go into this draft thinking anything but STARTING OL. Plug and play. Go top shelf with the two first rounders and finally start locking-in a 10 year OL.
But you have to figure they move down with one of those picks, question is which one will return greater value. Can make an argument that any t am in front of us would be looking to sell, of course this cost will be greater so maybe the 5 slot is the perfect place for a team that likes a QB to jump ahead of Carolina to get one. WhT could we reasonably return? A 1st this year and next and a day 2 pick this year? If so I would 100% do that. Especially if we are going to miss out on the blue chip Edge players. Gives us more ammo to grab quality depth for the OL later on. Just have to hope they have the right guy in here and get the FO cleaned up, if not trade both picks back for the future when you have a better plan in place. Right now, the Giants are a hot mess and no draft pick unless LT is cloned and enters is changing the outcome for this team.
Goff has a decent cap hit this year but can easily be shed in 2023. The Lions could grab a rookie QB and start putting him into games by end of 2022 season.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
5 and 7 for the new GM to play with.
Fix the OL, get an edge and go forward
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
Who cares if Chris Mara will be shadow scouting and have input anyway
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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
I don't think the Texans will pick a QB. David Culley doubled down on Davis Mills.
2. DET 2600 pts
3. HOU 2200 pts
4. NYJ 1800 pts
5. NYG 1700 pts
6. CAR 1600 pts
7. NYG 1500 pts
8. ATL 1400 pts
9. DEN 1350 pts
10. NYJ 1300 pts
So the Giants have 3200 pts in with their first two picks. Jets have 3100 pts.
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It would be from teams looking to jump the Panthers. Panthers will go all in for one of the big name qbs in a trade and give up there first pick or draft a qb.
Redskins may look to jump the panthers to get a QB if they end up liking one of them.
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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Don’t force an overt OT need pick. Pick the players that are best fits on talent and into an NFL program.
Lions and Texans are wild cards. Could be a sneaky QB pick there.
I don't think the Texans will pick a QB. David Culley doubled down on Davis Mills.
Isn’t Cullen on the hot seat?
1st Rd (5)
1st Rd (7) from CHI
2nd Rd (36)
3rd Rd (67)
3rd Rd (80) from MIA
4th Rd (109) from CHI
5th Rd (145)
5th Rd (170) from KC
6th Rd (182)
What was the deal with MIA?
1st Rd (5)
1st Rd (7) from CHI
2nd Rd (36)
3rd Rd (67)
3rd Rd (80) from MIA
4th Rd (109) from CHI
5th Rd (145)
5th Rd (170) from KC
6th Rd (182)
What was the deal with MIA?
Ojulari pick was after a trade down with Miami
[quote] in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Rookie salary slot for #5 pick will be 4 years for about $32M, with $6M year 1 cap number. I can’t see reaching when you already have your LT, and there are so many other holes to patch. I expect that just about all of our other day 1 and 2 picks will have value picks available for the OL.
picking fifth?
Pass rush & OL. I’d like to trade down from 7 and add extra picks for next season when Bryce Young, Stroud, and Uigalele are available. (The latter will really have to improve.)
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Interesting trade offers from Quarterback strarving trams
It would be from teams looking to jump the Panthers. Panthers will go all in for one of the big name qbs in a trade and give up there first pick or draft a qb.
Redskins may look to jump the panthers to get a QB if they end up liking one of them.
A team that may want to move up for a QB- Denver, who picks #9. They have a number of key pieces and may believe that they are a QB away. They might be willing to overpay to move up to 5.
5 will be a hot trade commodity for any QB hungry team...as Carolina will be in market
[quote] in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Rookie salary slot for #5 pick will be 4 years for about $32M, with $6M year 1 cap number. I can’t see reaching when you already have your LT, and there are so many other holes to patch. I expect that just about all of our other day 1 and 2 picks will have value picks available for the OL.
Trade down if need be.
Trade down if need be.
Agree
And if the Bears had not won two of their last six on last play field goals the Giants would be picking 4 and 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Who is Ickey?
Carolina didn't trade a 2, 4 in this draft and 6 last year for Darnold to give up on him this fast. Offensive line is the glaring need in Carolina. Trade down from 7 if you are going to trade down.
You had to remind us!
the foundation for the 2022 Draft Board?
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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
Just spitballing' (assuming no trades:)
Jaguars - Evan Neal
Lions - Hutchinson
Texans - Thibodeaux
Jets - Ickey or Cross
Giants - Ickey or Cross
Panthers - maybe a QB? Kenny Pickett?
Giants - here I would take either Derek Stingley Jr. or Kyle Hamilton, depending on their health
Who is Ickey?
Ikem Ekwonu, G, NC State 6'4" 320
Much thanks!
You start building by picking good players.
They have plenty of picks they do t need to trade premium picks for crap.
And there's no QB worth either pick
Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.
All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.
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cost us a #4.
You had to remind us!
More of a whatever. Bredeson isn’t all that worse than any of our other Guards.
Giants should go sign a middle priced free agent Guard and then have him compete with Bredeson and Lemieux next season for the starting jobs and relegate the other to be the swing Guard.
Hamilton and Stingley are luxuries we cannot afford. All the secondary talent in the world won't matter if we can't get to the QB. Coming into the season, the secondary was lauded as the most talented in a long while, well, they struggled except for maybe Xavier McKinley because the front seven were so poor.
All the talent we had on offense produced zilch because we couldn't block.
Cross or Ekwonu at 5 (Neal is probably unavailable) and Linderbaum with the Bears pick, or trade the Bears pick down and see if you can get an OL and pass rusher with two more premium picks
I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick
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would net something like Karlaftis/Ekwana and one of Green/Linderbaum. If they don't make a quality move via FA, I would forfeit the 2 3s for the OLine quality at 16-20. Will see how the OLine targets in the 3rd round shakes out leading up to the draft. Gotta get 2 quality OLine in the off season (minimum).
I don't think you can trade two 3rd round picks (67 and 80) to get back in the first round. The draft values on those two picks equal a mid-2nd round pick. We'd have to trade the 2nd round pick (37) and 80 to get a third 1st round pick
I was inferring that you have to forfeit 67 and 80 to move the 36 pick up to the 16-20 range.
Hahaha
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in the Draft at Pick #5. The Jaguars could pick Evan Neal first overall (they need OL help and they need to protect their franchise QB) and the Jets' O-Line is as bad as ours (and they need to protect their franchise QB). They could opt for either Ickey or Charles Cross at fourth overall, leaving the remainder of those two for the Football Giants at 5.
It's also possible that the three top OL are so evenly graded that getting the third one off the board is no worse than getting the first one.
Could be, sure. But any GM would like his pick of the litter.
the foundation for the 2022 Draft Board?
Yes it is.
But I'd have to think you can still run a draft with a new FO and also use other sources for evaluating players.
Hell, just call Sy!
Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
And look how well we've used those top-10 picks! Flowers, Apple, Saquon, DJ...
The only good one was Andrew Thomas
Anything is better than the tandem of Skura/Hernandez as the G
I see zero market for Barkley.
Jones could bring some value and I think a new GM will entertain just about anything. Only a handful of players you'd really want to keep around that have real trade value.
You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.
At the very least before 80 you get
1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.
Consider in the DG era we've spent a #2,4,6, and 20 overall on offense, and our offense is a disaster.
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you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).
You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.
At the very least before 80 you get
1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.
If msrtinez comes back healthy and we retain smith we are fine at ILB.
Wr we are good eith golladay toney andbmaybe we bring back slayton for cheap. Shep gone.
Te, OL and edge
We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge
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In comment 15539904 stoneman said:
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you could do alot of damage with 5, 7, and 21 (along with 80).
You could also do a lot of damage by trading both picks back.
At the very least before 80 you get
1-- A Starting OT.
2-- A Starting Guard
3-- A Starting Edge.
4-- A Starting ILB
5-- A Starting TE.
6-- A Starting WR.
If msrtinez comes back healthy and we retain smith we are fine at ILB.
Wr we are good eith golladay toney andbmaybe we bring back slayton for cheap. Shep gone.
Te, OL and edge
We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge
We need 5 new starters. 3 on OL, te and edge [/quote]
1—ILB I hope you are right about Smith but there still is question how good he is. Just because he is better than what we have doesn't mean he is any good.
2a—ILB The Giants are in rebuild. Where does Blake Martinez fit in?
2b—ILB How effective will Blake be after his injury? Again just because he is better than what we currently have doesn't mean Giants should have him beyond 2022.
3a—WR Toney is always hurt. Slayton is a number 4 WR not a starter.
3b—WR Golladay was hurt last year and he was hurt this year. Even today it looked like one of his catches he came up gimpy a bit. He can't be reoiled upon to be 100%.
Considering 3A and 3B - our two top receivers have shown to be injury prone so far at Slayton is at best a bottom tier number 3 WR but actually he is a 4.
The Giants could use a WR that could limit the impact for injuries on a given Sunday for Golladay and Toney. Right now when one is out, the opposing team either has an elite corner that will minimize one or they can double the one whenever the other is hurt. Which so far has been often.
Another top flight WR alleviated this concern drastically and allows Slayton to be more effective at a more suitable number 4 WR. .
Very rral possibility. That said, Davis Mills has earned himself a chance to at least compete.
I really believe the Giants are going to love Karlaftis. Him and Ekwonu or Cross makes a lot of sense.
I think Hutch, Neal, Thibodeaux, Stingily are your top 4 unless someone moves up for Corral.
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Texas maybe?
Very rral possibility. That said, Davis Mills has earned himself a chance to at least compete.
I really believe the Giants are going to love Karlaftis. Him and Ekwonu or Cross makes a lot of sense.
I think Hutch, Neal, Thibodeaux, Stingily are your top 4 unless someone moves up for Corral.
If that’s the top 4, I’m taking Hamilton at 5 and one of those two OL at 7. I also wouldn’t hate it if we took Dean at 7 if we got an OL in FA, and then some more OL help in our next three picks.
B) Jets #4 & #10
C) Eagles #15, #16, #21
Choice and why?
1. JAC
2. DET
3. HOU
4. NYJ
5. NYG
6. CAR
7. NYG
8. ATL
9. DEN
10. NYJ
11. WAS
12. MIN
13. CLE
14. BAL
15. PHI
16. PHI
17. LAC
18. NO
B) Jets #4 & #10
C) Eagles #15, #16, #21
Choice and why?
PHI can't be 21. They can be 19, 25, 29, 31 or 32
B) Jets #4 & #10
C) Eagles #15, #16, #21
Choice and why?
But still a fun question...
Trade down if need be.
Absolutely agree.
n comment 15539886 beatrixkiddo said: