I don't know what's scarier, the 50% certainty he would be retained before today (according to Glazer), or the one game 'turnaround' in their feelings after the game. Not good, either way.
I don't know what's scarier, the 50% certainty he would be retained before today (according to Glazer), or the one game 'turnaround' in their feelings after the game. Not good, either way.
It must get done. Keeping Judge would be a black cloud over this fan base all offseason. Mara has done enough to embarass us all. Good riddance Tommy Tuffnutz
said earlier today before the game that the Maras would likely retain him, but after today, especially those two QB sneaks and another dreadful offensive performance, I think he's gone.
“ "They want him gone." - @JayGlazer on people inside the Giants building on head coach Joe Judge ”
Who are the people inside the building? Seems like at least a couple people inside the building have the power to make a decision on his future being they are the ones who sign his checks.
Is very conflicting isn’t it? Your team just got whipped badly by double digits, they finish with a 4-13 record and look pathetic and yet you suddenly feel hopeful and almost like celebrating.
RE: The people inside the building want Judge gone.
I don't know what's scarier, the 50% certainty he would be retained before today (according to Glazer), or the one game 'turnaround' in their feelings after the game. Not good, either way.
that ultimately is the most scary. Like if they won this meaningless game by 3 pts that would be enough to ignore the whole season of ineptitude?
I mean we got lucky we lost but it also gives me no faith the Mara's are basing this decision on on game...
the idea of putting some numerical percentage on it is a joke.
I was 50% sure (that's basically a coin flip, so not sure at all, in any way) now I'm 25% sure. That's just 2 coin flips coming up same way.
How about 31.395%?
Is he 25% now? Or is he rounding? Is it 24.89%?
It's all BS. They're just spouting off about their "feeling" about what might happen. Only one person knows for sure, and probably he doesn't even know because his head's too far up his own backside. But he has to make a decision....
In attitude or belief began after the Philly game. It gained a ton of momentum after the Chicago game and then today, with that white flag mentality inside our own 5 yard line had to be the finishing touches.
The new GM, presumably currently employed, will most likely being their own coach with them.
2022 will be about rebuilding with some victories in mind. This draft- number of selections can help us solidify multiple positions and groups.
Is one of the locker room complainers.
I hope he goes too….or just goes.
I know there’s a big cap hit, but he’s the Solder of WRs.
Golladay has a point though, You bring him in at 15 million per, and you don't have a competent OL or QB to get him the ball..or calling 3rd down QB sneaks on 3rd and 9. I can see his point.
the idea of putting some numerical percentage on it is a joke.
I was 50% sure (that's basically a coin flip, so not sure at all, in any way) now I'm 25% sure. That's just 2 coin flips coming up same way.
How about 31.395%?
Is he 25% now? Or is he rounding? Is it 24.89%?
It's all BS. They're just spouting off about their "feeling" about what might happen. Only one person knows for sure, and probably he doesn't even know because his head's too far up his own backside. But he has to make a decision....
In attitude or belief began after the Philly game. It gained a ton of momentum after the Chicago game and then today, with that white flag mentality inside our own 5 yard line had to be the finishing touches.
The new GM, presumably currently employed, will most likely being their own coach with them.
2022 will be about rebuilding with some victories in mind. This draft- number of selections can help us solidify multiple positions and groups.
I sure hope so buddy. We need a clean reset from top to bottom
the HC, QB, GM and getting rid of any or all them will fix it. The issues run far deeper so don’t expect better results without first addressing and fixing the root causes. Pretty simple concept Eric.
both lasted the season, why is this hard for people to understand? Plus DG is “fired” anyway, just because it wasn’t announced at a podium doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Giants issues are far deeper than the HC. Been canning HC’s and GM’s for six years. Don’t let ownership off the hook.
who's letting them off the hook. The Mara's aren't going anywhere you can fire the owners. The only hope is if they give the keys to the new GM and Chris Mara + Mcdonnell are out of player personnel.
the HC, QB, GM and getting rid of any or all them will fix it. The issues run far deeper so don’t expect better results without first addressing and fixing the root causes. Pretty simple concept Eric.
Ownership structure isn’t changing so I guess it’s a doomed franchise for all of eternity?
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Joe Judge could get fired tomorrow and the man most responsible will get to walk away with the facade of a "retirement."
I don't get why anyone gives a shit about the semantics. He's gone, that's all that matters. Now show Judge the door and let's start to rebuild in earnest.
When they look at this season in it’s totality it was a disaster. Judge made bad decisions all year long. In reality, they started around the holidays last season. He’s had ample input into the roster and free agent signings. The QB situation is on him. How Jones has flatlined in red zone play is on him. He’s the HC and picked the staff. Three OL coaches in two years. Playing Solder and Hernandez and Engram nonstop and repeatedly talking them up despite preaching accountability.
He deluded some people with barebones offense and clawing wins middle of the year and his end of year presser criticizing the Eagles, because it shaded attention off the Giants December collapse, losing 3 out of last 4 with poor game plans on both sides of the ball largely to blame.
I wasn’t happy with him as the hire and I’m a results guy. He can take his process to some Division II program. I wish him well, elsewhere.
Are precisely who we should be most worried about right now. If they want judge gone it's probably because their jobs would feel more safe. Not exactly encouraging.
the HC, QB, GM and getting rid of any or all them will fix it. The issues run far deeper so don’t expect better results without first addressing and fixing the root causes. Pretty simple concept Eric.
I don’t disagree, but have to keep swinging the bat. Owners won’t change.
Are precisely who we should be most worried about right now. If they want judge gone it's probably because their jobs would feel more safe. Not exactly encouraging.
I haven't actually seen the clip, but someone wrote above its the players who want him out.
the HC, QB, GM and getting rid of any or all them will fix it. The issues run far deeper so don’t expect better results without first addressing and fixing the root causes. Pretty simple concept Eric.
Giants issues are far deeper than the HC. Been canning HC’s and GM’s for six years. Don’t let ownership off the hook.
who's letting them off the hook. The Mara's aren't going anywhere you can fire the owners. The only hope is if they give the keys to the new GM and Chris Mara + Mcdonnell are out of player personnel.
As I have said many times, the Giants will not start winning again till they start winning the physical battle of a NFL game. The Giants started this losing when they shifted years ago. Look at the recent draft and FA acquisitions and the trend continues. Mara may not get his family members out but he could maybe start with saying, “I think I’ve seen enough of this franchise being pushed around. It needs to stop now.”
From GM to Head Coach, because firing Judge is just same shit different day! No one with current or past ties to this team should be considered for employment! This has been a shit show for too long!!
Guess some players really didn’t buy in…
This.
Kind of scary if true.
It must get done. Keeping Judge would be a black cloud over this fan base all offseason. Mara has done enough to embarass us all. Good riddance Tommy Tuffnutz
I hope he goes too….or just goes.
I know there’s a big cap hit, but he’s the Solder of WRs.
Who are the people inside the building? Seems like at least a couple people inside the building have the power to make a decision on his future being they are the ones who sign his checks.
haha - exactly
that ultimately is the most scary. Like if they won this meaningless game by 3 pts that would be enough to ignore the whole season of ineptitude?
I mean we got lucky we lost but it also gives me no faith the Mara's are basing this decision on on game...
Good Lord.
I was 50% sure (that's basically a coin flip, so not sure at all, in any way) now I'm 25% sure. That's just 2 coin flips coming up same way.
How about 31.395%?
Is he 25% now? Or is he rounding? Is it 24.89%?
It's all BS. They're just spouting off about their "feeling" about what might happen. Only one person knows for sure, and probably he doesn't even know because his head's too far up his own backside. But he has to make a decision....
The new GM, presumably currently employed, will most likely being their own coach with them.
2022 will be about rebuilding with some victories in mind. This draft- number of selections can help us solidify multiple positions and groups.
I hope he goes too….or just goes.
I know there’s a big cap hit, but he’s the Solder of WRs.
Golladay has a point though, You bring him in at 15 million per, and you don't have a competent OL or QB to get him the ball..or calling 3rd down QB sneaks on 3rd and 9. I can see his point.
I was 50% sure (that's basically a coin flip, so not sure at all, in any way) now I'm 25% sure. That's just 2 coin flips coming up same way.
How about 31.395%?
Is he 25% now? Or is he rounding? Is it 24.89%?
It's all BS. They're just spouting off about their "feeling" about what might happen. Only one person knows for sure, and probably he doesn't even know because his head's too far up his own backside. But he has to make a decision....
Have you ever heard of Jay Glazier?
What does this even mean?
The new GM, presumably currently employed, will most likely being their own coach with them.
2022 will be about rebuilding with some victories in mind. This draft- number of selections can help us solidify multiple positions and groups.
I sure hope so buddy. We need a clean reset from top to bottom
@BobbySkinner_
Joe Judge could get fired tomorrow and the man most responsible will get to walk away with the facade of a "retirement."
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Joe Judge could get fired tomorrow and the man most responsible will get to walk away with the facade of a "retirement."
This is BS. Everyone knows Gettleman is being fired, just like everyone knew Coughlin was being fired.
who's letting them off the hook. The Mara's aren't going anywhere you can fire the owners. The only hope is if they give the keys to the new GM and Chris Mara + Mcdonnell are out of player personnel.
Ownership structure isn’t changing so I guess it’s a doomed franchise for all of eternity?
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Joe Judge could get fired tomorrow and the man most responsible will get to walk away with the facade of a "retirement."
I don't get why anyone gives a shit about the semantics. He's gone, that's all that matters. Now show Judge the door and let's start to rebuild in earnest.
He deluded some people with barebones offense and clawing wins middle of the year and his end of year presser criticizing the Eagles, because it shaded attention off the Giants December collapse, losing 3 out of last 4 with poor game plans on both sides of the ball largely to blame.
I wasn’t happy with him as the hire and I’m a results guy. He can take his process to some Division II program. I wish him well, elsewhere.
I don’t disagree, but have to keep swinging the bat. Owners won’t change.
I haven't actually seen the clip, but someone wrote above its the players who want him out.
What are root causes if they aren’t GM HC and QB?
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Giants issues are far deeper than the HC. Been canning HC’s and GM’s for six years. Don’t let ownership off the hook.
who's letting them off the hook. The Mara's aren't going anywhere you can fire the owners. The only hope is if they give the keys to the new GM and Chris Mara + Mcdonnell are out of player personnel.
As I have said many times, the Giants will not start winning again till they start winning the physical battle of a NFL game. The Giants started this losing when they shifted years ago. Look at the recent draft and FA acquisitions and the trend continues. Mara may not get his family members out but he could maybe start with saying, “I think I’ve seen enough of this franchise being pushed around. It needs to stop now.”