2022 cap situation

brutal.

Saves around 8 million. Shepard saves 5 million. Those 2 are gone.

4 million dollars. WTF. Gettleman was a train wreck in free Agency. My God what an awful awful job.

we are in cap hell next year. The only thing we hope for is the new GM kills the draft and clean our books for the following season.

In comment 15540003 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Saves around 8 million. Shepard saves 5 million. Those 2 are gone.

I dont think Shepard saves 5 million due to the injury, but I'm not quite sure how injury settlements work. He is likely out the entire season, so I would presume the settlement will be most of his salary.

Cutting booker is also a pretty good savings

Shepard is probably a post-June 1 cut (about $4 million in dead money, $8.5 million in savings)

Rudolph is probably cut before June 1 ($2.4 million in dead money, $5 million in savings)

Solder is a cut ($4 million in dead money, no savings)

Blake Martinez is a solid player, but if the new GM decides to clear the cap, he could get cut. Plus who knows how he'll be after an ACL. ($5.5 million in dead money, about $8.5 million in savings)

Riley Dixon is a pretty obvious cut. You can easily get better production there ($320K in dead money, $2.8 million in savings).

Nick Gates could be injured/waived if he doesn't recover from injury ($2.5 million in savings)

Logan Ryan is a lot of dead money, even as a post-June 1 cut ($8.5 million dead money, $3.75 million cap savings).

he won’t even be ready to play until late in the season anyway. It’s going to be a draft only year. They’ll use the Shep savings to pay the rookies. They get some cap relief in 2023. Honestly, we’re in rebuild mode anyway so why waste money on FA’s that will be gone by the time we are competitive again.

This thing is a mess.. I can't believe people couldn't see this at the start of the year.. It was easy to speculate that we were a mess..

Making cap room seems to be easy enough with the contracts on the books. NO and philly were 60 and 90 million over the cap and reworked their finances with no issues.

of those cuts (Martinez and Bradberry specifically) don't make the Giants better (even with losing Martinez all year and Bradberry taking a noticeable step back from last year), and create holes that would likely require FAs to fill or at least bodies.

Creating a never ending cycle of shitty players and shitty cap situation.

My approach to this shit show would be to leave it as is mostly in 2022. fringe guys sure (I guess Rudolph and Shepard though even Rudolph I'd prefer to ride out until a cut makes better financial sense)

and knowing how shitty the Giants will probably be next year too and what types of trade down may add more picks to 2023, and the Giants probably get a QB in 2023, that's where I'd be eyeing have some FA flexibility.

Plus if players like Martinez and Bradberry start off well they might be attractive trade candidates in season (or I guess even during the off-season).

In comment 15540093 pjcas18 said:

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of those cuts (Martinez and Bradberry specifically) don't make the Giants better (even with losing Martinez all year and Bradberry taking a noticeable step back from last year), and create holes that would likely require FAs to fill or at least bodies. Creating a never ending cycle of shitty players and shitty cap situation. My approach to this shit show would be to leave it as is mostly in 2022. fringe guys sure (I guess Rudolph and Shepard though even Rudolph I'd prefer to ride out until a cut makes better financial sense) and knowing how shitty the Giants will probably be next year too and what types of trade down may add more picks to 2023, and the Giants probably get a QB in 2023, that's where I'd be eyeing have some FA flexibility. Plus if players like Martinez and Bradberry start off well they might be attractive trade candidates in season (or I guess even during the off-season).

This, draft good players, keep the guys we have outside of Shepard. Don’t create dead cap space and then have to sign some dude off the street anyway.

Solder’s voided year counts as one of top 51 contracts, but he’s not actually on the roster I think.

that we have 2 million is cap space with such a crappy roster, that there are only 42 players that comprise that cap number and then we have to cut players (or restructure - and lets hope not) just to sign our draft picks and fill out the roster with street FAs or vet minimum players. As abysmal as the Jints play was this year, the ineptitude of scouting and GM/staff is the gift that keeps on taking for the another year. Swab the decks, bite the bullet on the cap and crappy contracts and keep focused for building to 2023. We are so screwed....

In comment 15540045 CoughlinHandsonHips said:

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Cutting booker is also a pretty good savings

I disagree on cutting Booker. $3M against the cap next year, and he’s one of the few who lived up to his contract.

Bradberry are two of our best defenders. They’re not easily replaced if you cut them.

Is cutting Bradberry and Rudolph to create 17 million in cap space. You need to target both positions in the draft though.

He won't survive next year with the bad roster this cap will force on the team, and his W-L record will keep him from ever getting a HC job.

If he's fired now, he can use the injury excuse when applying for his next NFL job ("No one could have looked good playing backups of backups"). WHEN he fails next year...and honestly, no matter who is coach, 2022 will be bad...he won't have any excuses.

that vested veterans can't just be cut while still injured. Shepard and Martinez will be receiving game checks next year if they cannot play

In comment 15540136 Josh in the City said:

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Bradberry are two of our best defenders. They’re not easily replaced if you cut them.

Cut Bradberry sraft Stingley

I'm curious to see if the new GM sees some of the pricey vets were bad signings that probably won't age well, and if they bite some bullets sooner.

In comment 15540157 JohnF said:

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He won't survive next year with the bad roster this cap will force on the team, and his W-L record will keep him from ever getting a HC job. If he's fired now, he can use the injury excuse when applying for his next NFL job ("No one could have looked good playing backups of backups"). WHEN he fails next year...and honestly, no matter who is coach, 2022 will be bad...he won't have any excuses.

No get this loser and his entire imprint away from this franchise. Find the right guy and even if we doesn't win in 2022 let him start building it his way. Another year of judge is another year further down the drain.

In comment 15540157 JohnF said:

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He won't survive next year with the bad roster this cap will force on the team, and his W-L record will keep him from ever getting a HC job. If he's fired now, he can use the injury excuse when applying for his next NFL job ("No one could have looked good playing backups of backups"). WHEN he fails next year...and honestly, no matter who is coach, 2022 will be bad...he won't have any excuses.

No get this loser and his entire imprint away from this franchise. Find the right guy and even if we doesn't win in 2022 let him start building it his way. Another year of judge is another year further down the drain.

After watching basically a full season of Crowder Can't take any more. The guy sucks. He was absolutely brutal today and constantly over runs the play and misses tackles.

In comment 15540215 JonC said:

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I'm curious to see if the new GM sees some of the pricey vets were bad signings that probably won't age well, and if they bite some bullets sooner.

Last year on his deal coming off an ACL. I like pre-ACL Martinez a lot. Not sure I like him if he’s a step late.

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cut all of those players, along with Golladay an Ximines.

In comment 15540157 JohnF said:

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He won't survive next year with the bad roster this cap will force on the team, and his W-L record will keep him from ever getting a HC job. If he's fired now, he can use the injury excuse when applying for his next NFL job ("No one could have looked good playing backups of backups"). WHEN he fails next year...and honestly, no matter who is coach, 2022 will be bad...he won't have any excuses.

His odd , even unprofessional , comments will do him in worse than his bizarre in - game coaching.

Ain't going anywhere. Nor should he. Let's tuck that 1 in.

Ain't going anywhere. Nor should he. Let's tuck that 1 in.

Could trade Jones and Barkley, we would save 15 mill on the cap. Very unlikely both get traded, but it’s possible if a new GM comes in and cleans house.

stop looking at the cap number. The guy is a tackling machine, he helps stop the run (Noticeable difference when he is not in there) and he is the captain making the right calls on the field. He is worth it if he is healthy

years (obviously excluding his rookie year), what actually stands out to you that says some team wants to pay him $7.2M for one year?

I guess in some scenario there could be a bad contract come back to the Giants at a different position of need, but I don't see how that really helps if your goal is to provide cap flexibility.

Similar to Judge to get the axe due to his record and rants...Abrams should too for how he managed this cap!

DG will take the knife too but how do you pay top $ and be such bottom feeders!

He snuck in the horrible horrible Logan Ryan signing and he gets 12M??? for a JAG?

And just seeing Leo get 25-27M! What a nice parting gift from DG

Abrams shouldn't even sniff a GM job with this type of cap situation.

Too big a dead cap hit.

If Martinez wants to stay, he'll have to agree to restructure.

and they might not be popular, but given how tight it projects and how bad the team is ... eg, they might have to consider Bradberry, Golladay, Rudolph. Martinez figures to stay, have to see how Shep heals up as you can't cut an injured player.

In comment 15540807 jeff57 said:

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Too big a dead cap hit. If Martinez wants to stay, he'll have to agree to restructure.

12 mill savings vs a 9 mill in dead cap. Savings outweighs the hit. He could definitely be cut.