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Per Duggan: Judge currently meeting with Mara

BeckShepEli : 1/10/2022 9:19 am
presenting plan to fix this.
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This isn't good...  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 9:44 am : link
With Judge's ability to bullshit and John Mara's "maintain the status quo at all cost" attitude, I don't feel good about this.
RE: And Mara is going to buy it  
Mike from Ohio : 1/10/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15540887 TommytheElephant said:
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And Mara will see right through it.


I'm not sure John Mara can see through the "got your nose" gag.
RE: Mr Mara  
GiAnT4LYFE : 1/10/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15540912 JonC said:
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it is time to move on from Judge and his coaches, as well as DG, and the scouts.


Every bit of this. Blow the whole damn thing up and start over.
2 years is usually long enough  
djm : 1/10/2022 9:45 am : link
you simply don't see many instances or any where a HC failed to win games his first 2 seasons only to kick the winning % up dramatically in year 3. I can think of one time over the last 25 years where the HC lost big over his first 2 then won a lot in year 3 and that instance was Dick Vermeil and the Rams.

PArcells needed 1 year of losing. Coughlin the same. Fassel won in his first year then was average or so before the 12-4 2000 season.

Look around, you just don't see it that often. Not to mention it's actually gotten worse in year 2 under Judge, not even a hint of improvement in any facet of the team.

It's time to go.
Mara should be telling him the new GM will make that decision  
whispa : 1/10/2022 9:46 am : link
Not giving Judge another year. That will hurt our chances on getting GM candidates we want.
RE: The plan should be  
Joe Beckwith : 1/10/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15540881 jeff57 said:
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To fire himself.


With his rantings , he’s been TRYING to, but they’re to stubborn to listen .
The whole staff has to go including Graham  
JFIB : 1/10/2022 9:47 am : link
How is a defense with Lawrence and Williams this bad at stopping the run? How to run that play on offense handing the ball off to a WR to run into an unblocked DE? The team is poorly coached at every facet of the game and the staff must change. Other teams seem to understand their blocking assignments, how do our players not know their responsibilities at this point?
I may be wrong but it seems very rare that coaches meet with the owner  
Stu11 : 1/10/2022 9:49 am : link
At 9am the morning after the last game NOT to get fired.
If he has to sell a plan to fix  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2022 9:49 am : link
the problem he's festered, he should be fired without conversation.

Guarantee he's going to blame injuries and don't put it past him to blame Daniel Jones and throw him under bus and ask for 2 years to get a new QB.

Even the defense got worse this season  
djm : 1/10/2022 9:50 am : link
Probably because the O went from bad to incredibly bad.
His plan  
AdamBrag : 1/10/2022 9:52 am : link
Is going to be:

We are a lot closer than our record indicates
Our defense is nearly elite, with a pass rusher, it'll be elite
I "fixed" the culture
We need to revamp the offense by bringing in a new offensive coordinator
I learned a lot this season, I need to be more mature in press conferences

This is a poor pitch, but it has a good chance of working.


Flores (!) is fired, and yet  
lawguy9801 : 1/10/2022 9:53 am : link
Mara is considering keeping this buffoon?

I seriously may just stop following the team after almost 40 years.
RE: I may be wrong but it seems very rare that coaches meet with the owner  
jeff57 : 1/10/2022 9:53 am : link
In comment 15541078 Stu11 said:
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At 9am the morning after the last game NOT to get fired.


That's my thinking as well.
John  
Biteymax22 : 1/10/2022 9:54 am : link
Hire a GM that knows what he's doing and let him make the decisions. Don't waste an hour this morning where you can be lining up interviews with GM candidates.
RE: RE: I may be wrong but it seems very rare that coaches meet with the owner  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/10/2022 9:54 am : link
In comment 15541102 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15541078 Stu11 said:


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At 9am the morning after the last game NOT to get fired.



That's my thinking as well.


We can hope.
RE: If he has to sell a plan to fix  
Mike from Ohio : 1/10/2022 9:55 am : link
In comment 15541081 Sammo85 said:
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the problem he's festered, he should be fired without conversation.

Guarantee he's going to blame injuries and don't put it past him to blame Daniel Jones and throw him under bus and ask for 2 years to get a new QB.


Throwing someone under the bus implies they are not part of the problem. Much of the offensive struggles are a direct result of Jones.
RE: RE: If he has to sell a plan to fix  
jeff57 : 1/10/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15541117 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15541081 Sammo85 said:


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the problem he's festered, he should be fired without conversation.

Guarantee he's going to blame injuries and don't put it past him to blame Daniel Jones and throw him under bus and ask for 2 years to get a new QB.




Throwing someone under the bus implies they are not part of the problem. Much of the offensive struggles are a direct result of Jones.


As we saw after he want down for the season, right?
If he's allowed  
Ron Johnson : 1/10/2022 9:58 am : link
to present a plan, he's staying. If he were going to be fired the decision would already have been made and meeting would take 2 minutes.
RE: Even the defense got worse this season  
rnargi : 1/10/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15541090 djm said:
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Probably because the O went from bad to incredibly bad.


Ludicrous Speed

RE: If he's allowed  
bleedgiantsblue : 1/10/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15541130 Ron Johnson said:
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to present a plan, he's staying. If he were going to be fired the decision would already have been made and meeting would take 2 minutes.


Judge providing a plan was Duggans guess.
Is it possible Judge is a Jedi  
Steve L : 1/10/2022 10:01 am : link
And uses the force to convince Mara he’s the best coach ever? It’s the only way I see this ending well for Judge.
"My lap dog  
Beef Wellington : 1/10/2022 10:02 am : link
will drop you off at the train station"
Mara is going to fall for this...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 10:02 am : link
Isn't he?
Longer  
Eli owns all : 1/10/2022 10:03 am : link
This shit takes. This idiot is going to stay here
RE: Mara is going to fall for this...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/10/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15541154 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Isn't he?


No. He can’t possibly be that stupid.
Let's bring in Marc Colombo to conduct the meeting  
ghost718 : 1/10/2022 10:05 am : link


 
christian : 1/10/2022 10:05 am : link
I will be floored if the outcome isn’t Judge + Abrams.
.  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:05 am : link
"Look, okay? All we need is an offensive coordinator, Mr. Mara? Alright? This team is an offensive coordinator away from being a contender. I wouldn't have to QB sneak the ball on 3rd and 9 if I had a great offensive coordinator."
RE: Longer  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15541157 Eli owns all said:
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This shit takes. This idiot is going to stay here


Maybe they're having breakup sex
RE: Mara is going to fall for this...  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/10/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15541154 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Isn't he?


He sure is... this is a guy who was swayed by late season wins vs teams that packed it in under the last few coaches...

He's going to go with the "show patience" "seen some improvements" tone-deaf crap
Based on previous long rants by Judge  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/10/2022 10:06 am : link
We may not get word until Wednesday or Thursday.
Latest from The Carpenter  
Chris684 : 1/10/2022 10:06 am : link
The Carpenter ™️
@ThyCarpenter
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The birdies that told me Judge was safe weeks back and told me his post game presser put him in warmer water last week have given me no new news today. Mara will hear nothing other than fire Judge takes and it could boil over, but gun to my head he survives.

Love, The Carpenter
Anyone Else Keep Refreshing the BBI Site...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/10/2022 10:06 am : link
Hoping to see "Judge Fired" pinned as a thread title?
RE: Based on previous long rants by Judge  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15541176 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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We may not get word until Wednesday or Thursday.


Hahaha
FWIW  
jeff57 : 1/10/2022 10:09 am : link
The feeling in the building is that it’s not looking good for Judge. Mara wasn’t crazy about that rant, but the product on the field the last six weeks could be his ultimate demise. I’m hearing 70/30 in favor of letting Judge go.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Anyone Else Keep Refreshing the BBI Site...  
terz22 : 1/10/2022 10:09 am : link
In comment 15541180 Jim in Tampa said:
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Hoping to see "Judge Fired" pinned as a thread title?


YES! On pins and needles lol
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2022 10:09 am : link
well, Judge sort of does have 1 thing going for him, in that the draft picks started getting better the second he got here
RE: Mara is going to fall for this...  
Justlurking : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15541154 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Isn't he?


yup.
 
christian : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
My guess is Judge is safe and we see a deluge of press and threads today with the rationale being one more year, and with all the other openings, it’s a bad year to be in the market for a coach.
The new GM needs to make the call  
Reale01 : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.
RE: FWIW  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15541190 jeff57 said:
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The feeling in the building is that it’s not looking good for Judge. Mara wasn’t crazy about that rant, but the product on the field the last six weeks could be his ultimate demise. I’m hearing 70/30 in favor of letting Judge go. Link - ( New Window )


'Excellent...excellent.'-Newman.
RE: FWIW  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15541190 jeff57 said:
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The feeling in the building is that it’s not looking good for Judge. Mara wasn’t crazy about that rant, but the product on the field the last six weeks could be his ultimate demise. I’m hearing 70/30 in favor of letting Judge go. Link - ( New Window )


What the fuck is the “30” based on????
RE: FWIW  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15541190 jeff57 said:
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The feeling in the building is that it’s not looking good for Judge. Mara wasn’t crazy about that rant, but the product on the field the last six weeks could be his ultimate demise. I’m hearing 70/30 in favor of letting Judge go. Link - ( New Window )


That fucker blocked me on Twitter
Normally I'd agree that Judge meeting Mara  
Matt in SGS : 1/10/2022 10:11 am : link
would mean he's fired. But technically if you go by the book organizationally, Gettleman "retired" this morning. So Judge's direct boss is gone, so now it goes up a level to ownership.

My guess is that Mara is talking to him to see if Judge throws up on himself and basically fires himself this morning. If Judge says enough for a stay of execution, Mara will keep him and say the new GM will decide his fate.
Yep  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:11 am : link
Doug Rush
@TheDougRush
Brian Flores: 19-14. Ended the season winning 8 of his last 9.

Joe Judge: 10-23. Ended the season losing 7 of his last 8.

Yet, Flores got fired first today. #BlackMonday
RE: Anyone Else Keep Refreshing the BBI Site...  
bigbluehoya : 1/10/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15541180 Jim in Tampa said:
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Hoping to see "Judge Fired" pinned as a thread title?


well, I do keep refreshing, but I honestly don't know what I hope to see.

I'm having a harder time than I ever have being optimistic about this team's near future.

Looking at the contracts on the books, it's a pretty substantial mess for the short term. I think they have 2 seasons of sleeping in the proverbial bed that they've made themselves.
GiantsFan42 is probably lighting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 10:13 am : link
Candles at church for JJ.
RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
Justlurking : 1/10/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15541196 Reale01 said:
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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.


totally disagree. They need to burn it down. Every last piece. Start over for real. Judge is the worst HC i have ever seen.
This meeting should be very short or  
Ike#88 : 1/10/2022 10:15 am : link
it is bad news for us. I wonder if JJ has his bottle of gatorade as a security blanket.
If Judge is retained  
AdamBrag : 1/10/2022 10:16 am : link
The Giants are going to be the laughingstock of the league all off season.

Mara knows this and this is his biggest fear. All Mara cares about is how he is viewed.

I think the only way Judge keeps his job is if he says he has Dan Mullen, or someone equally as big, lined up to be the OC. Or that the Giants should go all in on trading for Russell Wilson. He knows the narrative will need to completely change for him to not be viewed poorly.
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