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BeckShepEli : 1/10/2022 9:19 am
presenting plan to fix this.
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RE: So Judge is in there presenting a plan...  
Reale01 : 1/10/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15540998 EricJ said:
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that he COULD have implemented before the season started.. but didn't?

The next issue I have with this is this...
The plan should be presented not only to Mara but to whoever the next GM is. THAT is the guy who should be deciding whether Joe stays or goes.


I agree that the new GM should make the call. The offense was the biggest issue and Judge may have been saddled with Garret's schemes. He made mistakes. Parcells made mistakes his first year and he learned from them. It is possible that Judge could learn from these past two seasons. To me if he comes in with excuses and praise for what he has done then I would not be impressed. If he comes in with a credible way forward then my mind would be more open. Either way I would let the new GM make the call.
If Giants  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2022 10:17 am : link
promote Abrams because of Judge's "plan", I'm checking out for a season.
I want nervous when I woke up, but I'm very nervous now  
Blue The Dog : 1/10/2022 10:18 am : link
This meeting shouldn't take an hour. This should be a fast firing. The longer this goes, the more likely he is to stay. The fact that they haven't officially announced what's happening with Gettleman is a good sign though. If they announce Gettleman and nothing on Judge, it's even more likely Judge stays
RE: If Giants  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15541248 Sammo85 said:
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promote Abrams because of Judge's "plan", I'm checking out for a season.


the damage will be done far past 1 season. This is the most important draft in recent giants history with two picks in the top 7. They have to get this right.

JJ and Abrams are no qualified to make these picks!
RE: RE: Ha ha  
GiantTuff1 : 1/10/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15540920 bigbluescot said:
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In comment 15540889 jvm52106 said:


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... but if I was a GM looking at the squad and the cap mess, I might like a year of Judge on the hot seat instead standing this time next year explaining why my new HC pick struggled while I was trying to put the pieces in place to move forward. Again, not the way I'd do it, but organisationally I can see some benefits as well as downside. Depends how big of a mess they think they're in.


This could make sense to them.
Everything has gotten worse with Judge this year.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/10/2022 10:20 am : link
No reason to keep him.
I personally think the plan to keep Abrams and fire JJ is still very  
PatersonPlank : 1/10/2022 10:20 am : link
live. Not sure how I feel about it. IMO Judge clearly has to go, he's lost the fans, media, and probably players too. Plus he sucks
What's the worst perception?  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:21 am : link
Having a revolving door at HC or keeping a fucking arrogant buffoon as a HC?

Easy answer from me
RE: RE: Love to be afly on  
GiantTuff1 : 1/10/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15540997 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 15540962 johnnyb said:


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the wall for that meeting.


The fly would be the smartest person in the room.


LOLLLL
RE: I personally think the plan to keep Abrams and fire JJ is still very  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15541263 PatersonPlank said:
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live. Not sure how I feel about it. IMO Judge clearly has to go, he's lost the fans, media, and probably players too. Plus he sucks


the giants couldn't field 53 guys because of abrams...fuck that guy
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ryanmkeane : 1/10/2022 10:23 am : link
this is some meeting
Not loving the sound of this....  
mittenedman : 1/10/2022 10:23 am : link
...as others have said, here comes the Used Car Salesman pitch that Mara was smittened by the first time.

The decision should already be made based on the low quality football.
News should leak out  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2022 10:23 am : link
before noon either way.
 
christian : 1/10/2022 10:26 am : link
Given the opportunity to make the right leadership decisions — Mara has been wrong virtually every time. Why will today be any different?

If true, and Judge got an opportunity to plead his case. The decision was already made to keep him.
wtf is taking so long  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 10:26 am : link
better coaches were fired already this morning...
RE: wtf is taking so long  
Scooter185 : 1/10/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15541284 mphbullet36 said:
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better coaches were fired already this morning...


Mara is probably zooming Tisch, explaining to Steve why he wants to give JJ another year
RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/10/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15541196 Reale01 said:
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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.


Exactly. Let the new GM, whoever it is, make the call, and Mara must make that clear to any potential GM candidate he interviews that the HC is that person's call
This is taking too long.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/10/2022 10:27 am : link
I’m getting nervous!
Judge will be GM and head coach  
Silver Spoon : 1/10/2022 10:27 am : link
after this meeting.
Can you imagine the bill of goods  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/10/2022 10:29 am : link
He’s selling Mara
RE: If he's allowed  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/10/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15541130 Ron Johnson said:
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to present a plan, he's staying. If he were going to be fired the decision would already have been made and meeting would take 2 minutes.


Thats ridiculous. Judge's plan is to promote Abrams to GM. Mara knows he cannot do that. The fan base would totally revolt and the media would destroy him
Shouldn’t they give a new GM that pitch?  
Simms11 : 1/10/2022 10:29 am : link
Mara is totally clueless if he allows this joke to continue!
It always takes longer - the meeting could be over but other things  
PatersonPlank : 1/10/2022 10:30 am : link
are happening. Maybe they are talking with PR about messaging, or letting key players and management know. A 9am meeting on Monday is a bad sign for Judge
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 10:30 am : link
The longer this goes, the more I fear Mara falls for JJ nonsense. Lord help us.
There were coaches who kicked Joe Judge's ass this season  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/10/2022 10:30 am : link
that have already been fired today.

John Mara is brainless. Let's keep the worst coach in the league.
Gun to my head says Judge survives this  
Chris684 : 1/10/2022 10:31 am : link
I wouldn't do it if I were Mara, but let's face it. By having this meeting it pretty much means you WANT to be convinced.
Mara should be working on getting Harbaugh on his calendar  
Chris684 : 1/10/2022 10:32 am : link
this morning.
Maybe Mara wants to keep Judge as ST coach  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:32 am : link
"We'll hire Brian Flores as HC and keep Patrick Graham as DC. You can be the ST coach alongside Tom Quinn. How does that sound?"
Dave.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 10:32 am : link
Mara is an incompetent clown. We know this.
RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
GiantTuff1 : 1/10/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15541196 Reale01 said:
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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.


This too...
I don't have  
Photoguy : 1/10/2022 10:34 am : link
the boiling, festering hate that everyone else has. For me, the feeling is disappointment.....that Judge has turned out to be the coach who didn't live up to his introductory message. I had really hoped that he'd be the one to lead this franchise back to respectability. I kept reading that things were on the upturn behind the scenes, and every Sunday the same old crap showed up. There was a stretch where I thought his game management improved, but what do I know.
Mara waffling here then keeping Judge  
AcesUp : 1/10/2022 10:34 am : link
Judge picking his QB at 5, failing next year and then getting fired to saddle a new coach with a 2nd year QB he didn't choose is so perfectly Giants at every level.
Did anyone say  
Bill in UT : 1/10/2022 10:35 am : link
which Mara he's meeting with?
Judge  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2022 10:35 am : link
should be terrified of an outside GM coming here.

You can take what happened to Flores today and paste it here for January 2023.

Judge is so out of his league being a HC.

RE: RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15541337 GiantTuff1 said:
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In comment 15541196 Reale01 said:


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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.



This too...


No, Judge lost that right with his actions the last half of the season. He deserves to be fired outright.
Judge is still probably talking  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/10/2022 10:36 am : link
He's at slide 2 of 40 right now. Each slide is 1 hour plus.
RE: Judge is still probably talking  
Costy16 : 1/10/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15541347 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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He's at slide 2 of 40 right now. Each slide is 1 hour plus.


LMAO good one
RE: I don't have  
Chris684 : 1/10/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15541338 Photoguy said:
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the boiling, festering hate that everyone else has. For me, the feeling is disappointment.....that Judge has turned out to be the coach who didn't live up to his introductory message. I had really hoped that he'd be the one to lead this franchise back to respectability. I kept reading that things were on the upturn behind the scenes, and every Sunday the same old crap showed up. There was a stretch where I thought his game management improved, but what do I know.


I'm in agreement with you. The problem is Judge made himself toxic over this last month. Had he just stayed the course and said very little, you could probably see a way forward without Gettleman and a new OC and/or QB.

There's not going to be any going back now on Judge with the fans and it's hard to blame any fan for that at this point. That said, I don't know how you're going to sell NYG fans on any first time hire, and even if fans like the name selected, that person isn't going to have long before it's going to be firing time for him too.
RE: RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
Reale01 : 1/10/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15541230 Justlurking said:
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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.



totally disagree. They need to burn it down. Every last piece. Start over for real. Judge is the worst HC i have ever seen.


You may be right. If I were the new GM I would want the Giants to hang onto all there "assets" including coaches. I would then sort out what is part of the future. I don't want the owner doing anything.
RE: Mara waffling here then keeping Judge  
Go Terps : 1/10/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15541339 AcesUp said:
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Judge picking his QB at 5, failing next year and then getting fired to saddle a new coach with a 2nd year QB he didn't choose is so perfectly Giants at every level.


That's the fear. If you're keeping Judge, it can't be to fire him next year.

Do it now, start fresh at all three key areas together: GM, head coach, QB.
If the new GM wants to keep anyone on this coaching staff,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/10/2022 10:40 am : link
you know you probably hired the wrong guy right off the bat.
Let's just look at this in a vacuum  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:42 am : link
10-23
Insulted other coaches and other teams
Got blown out by crappy teams
Lost by double-digits in what? 6 or 7 games?
Completely bullshitted and fabricated during a press conference, which could've cost the Giants draft picks or fines for tampering



I mean what the hell is John Mara clinging on to here?
RE: If Giants  
bw in dc : 1/10/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15541248 Sammo85 said:
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promote Abrams because of Judge's "plan", I'm checking out for a season.


Toss in Jones back at QB and it's hard not to join you.
But if Mara keeps Judge you damn well know the new GM is going  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/10/2022 10:43 am : link
to come in under the condition that he keeps Judge and Jones. Unacceptable.
RE: RE: RE: The new GM needs to make the call  
PatersonPlank : 1/10/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15541362 Reale01 said:
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In comment 15541196 Reale01 said:


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There is no need to fire Judge today. Get the input from him. Hire a new GM. You HAVE to get that right. Let the GM run the show. He or she may decide to keep Judge or some of his coaches.



totally disagree. They need to burn it down. Every last piece. Start over for real. Judge is the worst HC i have ever seen.



You may be right. If I were the new GM I would want the Giants to hang onto all there "assets" including coaches. I would then sort out what is part of the future. I don't want the owner doing anything.


If someone is qualified to be our GM, then he likely already has an opinion on Judge (and probably very negative as it sounds like the league thinks he's a buffoon).
RE: RE: If Giants  
christian : 1/10/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15541379 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15541248 Sammo85 said:


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promote Abrams because of Judge's "plan", I'm checking out for a season.



Toss in Jones back at QB and it's hard not to join you.


All the signals are there this is the outcome. The patience talk, the taking caring Danny’s long term health and return talk.
Mara  
AcidTest : 1/10/2022 10:43 am : link
wants to keep Judge, if only to avoid firing a third coach after just two years. He wants to hear would Judge would do to correct this mess. That is a mistake IMO. Judge is a main reason we are in this position. He should be fired now.

First coach in Giants history to lose 13 games in a season, and six consecutive games by double digits.
Scored seven TDs since the bye, including three that were clearly in "garbage time."
10 - 23 overall record.
Terrible in game coach, including his awful clock management and use of TOs, along with his persistent refuse to try and convert on fourth down on the plus side of the field.
Insulting other teams and former coaches.
...  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 10:45 am : link
RE: GiantsFan42 is probably lighting  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/10/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15541228 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Candles at church for JJ.

He's probably meeting with John Mara right now.
It's been proven during his ownership  
Anakim : 1/10/2022 10:46 am : link
John Mara wants to maintain the status quo at all cost. It's only as a very last resort that he'll make a change. The leash is incredibly long.
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