Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
what is the difference? As long as we get rid of him, what does it matter?
The difference is that if you can't even come up with one example of an owner not firing his HC at the end of the season and passing that decision on to the incoming GM, then it's not what smart organizations do.
they haven’t announced anything whereas other teams have has me accepting that Judge and Abrahams are going to be retained. I don’t think I’m going to watch the Giants next year if that is the case. Reports are coming out that the players want Joe gone. It’ll be even more of a dumpster fire than this season has been.
Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
what is the difference? As long as we get rid of him, what does it matter?
The difference is that if you can't even come up with one example of an owner not firing his HC at the end of the season and passing that decision on to the incoming GM, then it's not what smart organizations do.
I am not really looking for process, I know Mara stinks, I am looking for substance and the substance is to get Judge out and the right people in here. So, I will live with the fact they did it in a dopey way as long as they get him out
to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
Hopefully they've been working on GM candidates in the back channels as it's not unheard of. But, they sure do tend to get more wrong than right at the Timex Center.
but the Giants have not even announced the inevitable retirement of their GM, which should be an easy no brainer.
And they just drag out whatever they're going to do with Judge, which sure as hell seems like they want to do anything to keep this clown.
to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
But you don't want to hire a coach until you have the GM lined up, so I don't see the downside to leaving it up to the new GM. Just hire the new GM quickly and they should be way ahead of the game on that because they have known for a while they will need one.
I think that JonC has the take as Mara is a pusillanimous man and will let the new GM fire Judge so Mara can stay "above it"
There’s not one single football metric that’s gotten better with Judge as the coach. The Giants are worse this year than they were last year. The offense has been historically bad. The defense has been historically bad. Judge is historically bad. It’s nearly impossible that Judge is a good coach based on all objective data. If Mara keeps Judge it’s for no better reason than that he likes the cut of his jib.
Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
Colts, although I don't know if that's a smart organization given the owners antics and the Wentz trade. But when they signed Ballard, he kept Pagano for a year even though both Pagano and Griegson were on the hot seat. Ballard used that year to reshape the roster, amass draft and cap capital before moving on to Reich (after the McDaniels affair).
to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
Bears and Vikings both fired both today and waited. Were they not concerned?
I think this is basically how it works.
I seriously don’t think I could stand another year of this......
There’s not one single football metric that’s gotten better with Judge as the coach. The Giants are worse this year than they were last year. The offense has been historically bad. The defense has been historically bad. Judge is historically bad. It’s nearly impossible that Judge is a good coach based on all objective data. If Mara keeps Judge it’s for no better reason than that he likes the cut of his jib.
Mara is a study in bad judgment, but there is no logical reason to keep Judge. This is all optics and letting Jawn salve his wounded pride: "gee, I really think we need stability, he's got a promising future, we need to be patient, but we can't be patient in today's environment, we had to carefully consider" blah blah blah. In the end, Judge will be let go: there are too many voices saying he needs to go, including the locker room.
I’m not sure I agree. I think Judge and Jones would be Dead Men Walking in their absolute final year. If it doesn’t work, then the GM gets to do whatever he wants. I’m not even sure there would be any connection between Judge and Jones returning. They’re not picking up that option.
But I don’t even want to let the idea of Judge staying enter my thoughts.
In comment 15541703 bigbluescot said: Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
It's obvious John Mara does NOT want to fire Judge, and he DOES want to promote Abrams. My guess was that he was hoping for a last couple of wins as justification. Even now, he's probably talking to people to figure out how to sell this to the fans (he'll probably use Judge's talking points).
That would explain why he hasn't fired Judge (who should have been shown the door after his rant), and retained Gettleman up to the last second. The man cannot make a decision without checking the polls.
John Mara is showing why he's the worst owner in the NFL right now; he cannot make a decision on his own, he has to have someone to blame if it goes bad. Judge WILL be fired, either this year, or early next year, since there is no way to make this a competitive team in 2022 with the lousy cap management. Mara will let the new GM do it.
the kool aide flavor was so indescribably delicious that day I had visions that this man ( a Bozo) could be our own Bill Belichek Jr, and some day Joe might emulate his mentor and become GM too.
LOL, I must have been loaded that day. Pete Townsend says it best, We Won't Get Fooled Again, NO NO NO....
GM must be willing to work with Judge. And Jones.
Agree 100%. Nightmare scenario.
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Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
what is the difference? As long as we get rid of him, what does it matter?
The difference is that if you can't even come up with one example of an owner not firing his HC at the end of the season and passing that decision on to the incoming GM, then it's not what smart organizations do.
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Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
what is the difference? As long as we get rid of him, what does it matter?
The difference is that if you can't even come up with one example of an owner not firing his HC at the end of the season and passing that decision on to the incoming GM, then it's not what smart organizations do.
I am not really looking for process, I know Mara stinks, I am looking for substance and the substance is to get Judge out and the right people in here. So, I will live with the fact they did it in a dopey way as long as they get him out
I'm fucking done with this team if Judge is back.
i will never support them again.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
Not a medium Pepsi tho!
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to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
Hopefully they've been working on GM candidates in the back channels as it's not unheard of. But, they sure do tend to get more wrong than right at the Timex Center.
And they just drag out whatever they're going to do with Judge, which sure as hell seems like they want to do anything to keep this clown.
Typical Mara's thinking they always know best....
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to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Right. Which, alas, kills that notion.
It depends on philosophy though, right?
Who's calling the shots, the HC or the GM?
If it's going to be the GM, you have to hire a GM first and let him decide on his HC.
And a new GM usually has a HC he's already targeting....
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to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
But you don't want to hire a coach until you have the GM lined up, so I don't see the downside to leaving it up to the new GM. Just hire the new GM quickly and they should be way ahead of the game on that because they have known for a while they will need one.
I think that JonC has the take as Mara is a pusillanimous man and will let the new GM fire Judge so Mara can stay "above it"
GM must be willing to work with Judge. And Jones.
And Abrams.
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Literally doing nothing is all he has to do on this issue.
Get a GM, then step away and wait for the phone to ring.
Exactly just tell Judge that we are hiring a new GM and he will decide. you can make your case to him, but I am. not going to force his hand either way. Done. That is how a smart organization does it
Can you think of eve one "smart organization" that has actually let an incoming GM decide whehter he wants to keep the HC?
Colts, although I don't know if that's a smart organization given the owners antics and the Wentz trade. But when they signed Ballard, he kept Pagano for a year even though both Pagano and Griegson were on the hot seat. Ballard used that year to reshape the roster, amass draft and cap capital before moving on to Reich (after the McDaniels affair).
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to the new GM, but that would be considerable lost time in finding a new HC.
Which why not canning Gettleman weeks ago was such a stupid idea. Hell, even have him put out a statement via Hanlon three or four weeks ago saying 'yadda yadda Health reasons' and have a bunch of GM interviews lined up or completed by now.
I fear we end up in a review situation, with some business consultancy or, god forbid, Ernie, and are left with the dregs of the GM and HC packs.
Bears and Vikings both fired both today and waited. Were they not concerned?
I think this is basically how it works.
Then the stories will come out
Getting that feeling too. Now just promote Abrams and I will opt out this fall watching or even supporting this team.
GM must be willing to work with Judge. And Jones.
I’m not sure I agree. I think Judge and Jones would be Dead Men Walking in their absolute final year. If it doesn’t work, then the GM gets to do whatever he wants. I’m not even sure there would be any connection between Judge and Jones returning. They’re not picking up that option.
But I don’t even want to let the idea of Judge staying enter my thoughts.
JJ should be let go, but I'm not worried about missing out on a HC.
GM is most important to me, IMO, and that GM probably has a few guys in mind anyway that he's close to.
It's obvious John Mara does NOT want to fire Judge, and he DOES want to promote Abrams. My guess was that he was hoping for a last couple of wins as justification. Even now, he's probably talking to people to figure out how to sell this to the fans (he'll probably use Judge's talking points).
That would explain why he hasn't fired Judge (who should have been shown the door after his rant), and retained Gettleman up to the last second. The man cannot make a decision without checking the polls.
John Mara is showing why he's the worst owner in the NFL right now; he cannot make a decision on his own, he has to have someone to blame if it goes bad. Judge WILL be fired, either this year, or early next year, since there is no way to make this a competitive team in 2022 with the lousy cap management. Mara will let the new GM do it.
LOL, I must have been loaded that day. Pete Townsend says it best, We Won't Get Fooled Again, NO NO NO....