Jeff Darlington
@JeffDarlington
While I realize many are assuming Flores’ departure is tied to Harbaugh’s potential availability, I can assure you that is not the case. The Dolphins are not targeting Jim Harbaugh, per sources. The decision to fire Flores is entirely independent.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
His relationship with a noodle armed future backup was bad???? Awww… poor baby.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
I think it is hard for outsiders to really say how much relationships deteriorate to the point where the coach needing to be fired is the answer. I don't think anyone on here can answer that.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
I think the sucking comment was TTH's
Well then I apologize Darlington, and move my comments to TTH. How can you conclude Flores sucks, lol?
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
His relationship with Tua has been odd since the start. It does not seem as if he ever was comfortable committing to getting him playing time. As coach, if the franchise commits to a QB of the future, that's on you to make that relationship work or not.
likely answer. These Pats guys are nearly all gigantic a**holes who nobody likes working with. Judge actually seems more personable and likable than most of them, if not I think he'd be a definite goner. No way we hire Flores to replace Judge.
Go 19-14 in your first two years with a QB who can't stay healthy. Get fired. I'd be happy ake him as a HC for sure.
Stunning. He had a lot of success, including finishing 9 - 8 this season. He also won his last eight of nine games this year, including yesterday against NE. His only loss during that span was a blowout loss to the Titans, the #1 seed in the AFC.
Year one It was implied that the team was tanking, and Flores had them playing above their weight class..year 2, 10-6…and year 3 they start off horrible but win 8 of the last 9 and sweep the pats……and he’s available but judge is still here?
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
I'm not sure why not getting along with Grier means he's a shitty HC. I'm sure Tua's issues had to do with Flores benching him periodically for poor play. I can see the argument for letting a young QB work through his issues, but Flores was trying to get a playoff spot.
He's shown himself to be a good coach. The roster his first year was brutally bad, especially after Minkah was traded, but he had them playing well down the stretch. Many analysts speculated whether Miami would win a game, and they went 5-4 down the stretch. I'd have zero issue with a new GM bringing him on board.
to take similar job for Judge gives you an idea I think that Flores may just be a difficult guy.
Flores LET HIM take the DC job
Yes, but he wanted out after only one year. If you put together a coaching staff and guys are bailing to take the same position with another team after only one year, it reflects poorly IMO.
Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
I'm not sure why not getting along with Grier means he's a shitty HC. I'm sure Tua's issues had to do with Flores benching him periodically for poor play. I can see the argument for letting a young QB work through his issues, but Flores was trying to get a playoff spot.
He's shown himself to be a good coach. The roster his first year was brutally bad, especially after Minkah was traded, but he had them playing well down the stretch. Many analysts speculated whether Miami would win a game, and they went 5-4 down the stretch. I'd have zero issue with a new GM bringing him on board.
He might be a good coach. That is enough for coordinators and position coaches. Managing relationships and people is part of the job description for head coach. You can argue that it's the most important thing, given the responsibilities of a head coach. Every single coach off the Belichick tree seems to really struggle with the personality aspect of the job. They are all smart people from intellectual backgrounds who compose themselves well and can do chalkboard talk all day, but don't do well as directors and managers of people.
To play devil's advocate, Grier has hired and fired 3 head coaches now. That's worth a look as a problem too.
The goal is a coach who can lead a team to the Super Bowl. If there is no suitable coach available, waiting another year is better than another multiyear commitment to the wrong person.
Flores is gone after 2 straight winning seasons and we think it's a good idea to keep Judge after 2 straight double digit losing seasons. I would take Flores over Judge.
shit right there.
not sure if true, but something like that makes sense IMO.
@JeffDarlington
While I realize many are assuming Flores’ departure is tied to Harbaugh’s potential availability, I can assure you that is not the case. The Dolphins are not targeting Jim Harbaugh, per sources. The decision to fire Flores is entirely independent.
Live in Dolphins country. And that is what they think. Ross is a Michigan guy. Fans are perplexed about it.
Went 10-6 in year 2.
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JonC has a good point about the BB tree, but I thought Flores did a good job there.
A bad job the first 8 games, but then they stormed back.
Mixed results.
maybe so, but 19-16 the last 2 years and 99% of the time 10-6 gets you a playoff spot. And we see why he let Graham go every week.
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
Apparently a power struggle with the GM (who is Black) sooooo probably not race related.
The Watson angle makes sense as does Harbaugh.
Stop with the Nagy nonsense. No need to spread that stupidity to two different threads.
But I'd jump all over Flores.
Noticing a trend with Pats coaches in their jobs?
Weis, Mangini, McDaniels, Patricia, Flores, Judge.
And the GM is safe? Kind of ridiculous, if you ask me.
Go back to the Dolphins postgame thread. I thought the Dolphins weren’t any good either compared to the Giants… they were just a LOT better coached.
@schadjoe
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League source: Jim Harbaugh not lined up for Dolphins and not coming to Dolphins
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
His relationship with a noodle armed future backup was bad???? Awww… poor baby.
Played with Snee. Mara can bring them all into the mix. Poles as GM with Flores. I would be on board with this.
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
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Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
I think the sucking comment was TTH's
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Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
I think it is hard for outsiders to really say how much relationships deteriorate to the point where the coach needing to be fired is the answer. I don't think anyone on here can answer that.
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Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
I think the sucking comment was TTH's
Well then I apologize Darlington, and move my comments to TTH. How can you conclude Flores sucks, lol?
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Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
That's actually a really bad conclusion from Darlington. If this guy had a brain he'd see that Flores in year 2 doubled their wins and went to the playoffs with a rookie QB he didn't even want. Then in year 3 he has another winning record with said QB only this time he's hurt for much of the season and won a couple games with Brissett starting 1/3 of the season or so.
Flores is a good coach, Darlington is the one who sucks.
His relationship with Tua has been odd since the start. It does not seem as if he ever was comfortable committing to getting him playing time. As coach, if the franchise commits to a QB of the future, that's on you to make that relationship work or not.
And the GM is safe? Kind of ridiculous, if you ask me.
+1
Stunning. He had a lot of success, including finishing 9 - 8 this season. He also won his last eight of nine games this year, including yesterday against NE. His only loss during that span was a blowout loss to the Titans, the #1 seed in the AFC.
I'd at least interview him.
@TheDougRush
Brian Flores: 19-14. Ended the season winning 8 of his last 9.
Joe Judge: 10-23. Ended the season losing 7 of his last 8.
Yet, Flores got fired first today. #BlackMonday
Agree that the BB tree hasn't produced, but Flores still did a good job in Miami. He apparently lost a power struggle with the GM.
Flores LET HIM take the DC job
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
I'm not sure why not getting along with Grier means he's a shitty HC. I'm sure Tua's issues had to do with Flores benching him periodically for poor play. I can see the argument for letting a young QB work through his issues, but Flores was trying to get a playoff spot.
He's shown himself to be a good coach. The roster his first year was brutally bad, especially after Minkah was traded, but he had them playing well down the stretch. Many analysts speculated whether Miami would win a game, and they went 5-4 down the stretch. I'd have zero issue with a new GM bringing him on board.
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to take similar job for Judge gives you an idea I think that Flores may just be a difficult guy.
Flores LET HIM take the DC job
Yes, but he wanted out after only one year. If you put together a coaching staff and guys are bailing to take the same position with another team after only one year, it reflects poorly IMO.
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JonC has a good point about the BB tree, but I thought Flores did a good job there.
Agree that the BB tree hasn't produced, but Flores still did a good job in Miami. He apparently lost a power struggle with the GM.
I thought so too.
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Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington)
The decision to fire Flores can be summed up with one word: Relationships. His relationship with Grier and Tua had deteriorated to a pretty bad place. Along with constant staff changes, owner Steve Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami
These Belichick coaches all suck.
I'm not sure why not getting along with Grier means he's a shitty HC. I'm sure Tua's issues had to do with Flores benching him periodically for poor play. I can see the argument for letting a young QB work through his issues, but Flores was trying to get a playoff spot.
He's shown himself to be a good coach. The roster his first year was brutally bad, especially after Minkah was traded, but he had them playing well down the stretch. Many analysts speculated whether Miami would win a game, and they went 5-4 down the stretch. I'd have zero issue with a new GM bringing him on board.
He might be a good coach. That is enough for coordinators and position coaches. Managing relationships and people is part of the job description for head coach. You can argue that it's the most important thing, given the responsibilities of a head coach. Every single coach off the Belichick tree seems to really struggle with the personality aspect of the job. They are all smart people from intellectual backgrounds who compose themselves well and can do chalkboard talk all day, but don't do well as directors and managers of people.
To play devil's advocate, Grier has hired and fired 3 head coaches now. That's worth a look as a problem too.
9-8 kinda stinks?? Then I wish we could’ve stunk the last 5 years.
Plus he overachieved with that roster
The goal is a coach who can lead a team to the Super Bowl. If there is no suitable coach available, waiting another year is better than another multiyear commitment to the wrong person.
Joe Judge as their next H.C.
Absolutely ... +1 ... I love this guy ... but only if he agrees to NOT keep PG as his DC.