John Mara Disappointment Thread

Weak leadership results in chaos and failure. You can see that nowadays in many factions of society.

The Giants are a chaotic failure due to weak leadership. Today's decision to continue to employ Joe Judge will do nothing more than continue this cycle of nothingness.

It is very unlikely that our actions can affect your bottom line.

We are about to try as hard we possibly can.

In comment 15542713 State Your Name said:

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Grow a pair.

Of all the things to be pissed off about, you are pissed that DG isn’t getting publicly shamed on his way out? I hope you are never in a managerial position.

in the national media. And they are not simply being mocked for losing, they are being mocked for the classlessness of the coach. The Giants name is now being tarnished.

Please don't tell us you are upset by losing. You clearly aren't. If I was making tens of millions off the Giants I would probably not be as upset as I am now. But the Giants are an escape for many, and right now that escape is a depressing bore.

It's your franchise and you can run it however you like. But don't be surprised when the next generation of football fan in the New York area are increasingly choosing to root for the Cowboys.

next week I will turn 66 years old. I have been a loyal, die hard fan since I was in diapers. You now have me seriously doubting my allegiance. You are a clueless, arrogant bonehead and your incompetence is now becoming legendary. Please find a large mirror and stare at it, what you see is all that is wrong with this once proud organization. Thank you for ruining football for me.
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Is football savvy…..where is George Young when you need him? We all saw that this same thing occur in the 70s.

i never thought I would say it, but fuck him.

I may be done with this team if they promote abrams and keep judge.

this team needs a fresh GM and coach with a fresh mindset

that was way worse than leaving the next GM to decide on Judge and you weren't all acting like this.

act with your feet and wallets. Don't go to Giants games. Don't spend a dime on anything Giants. You folks living in the NYC metro area have a choice. Become Jets fans. They look like they're on the rise. If a restaurant served crappy food would you go back? If a car breaks down often, would you buy that model or manufacturer's product again? Mara will make a business decision first so fans should too.

Organization

Mara: Are you on board with Abrams as GM?

Judge: Yup!

Mara: Are you on board with signing Barkley to a 2nd
contract?

Judge: Yup!

Mara: Are you on board with exercising Jones's 5th year option?

Judge: Yup!

Mara: Great, keep up the good work!

In comment 15542844 V.I.G. said:

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that was way worse than leaving the next GM to decide on Judge and you weren't all acting like this.

Fans have hit their breaking point and Judge has proven to be utterly incompetent.

There will not be another time where we can gut it completely like we can now. Now is the time to finally do what should have been done in the past.

Being a Giant fan is like being awarded first prize in a shit eating contest.

were apoplectic when Gettleman was kept on after Shurmur got fired. Was clear Gettleman blamed Shurmur to save his own hide when problems were deeper than just coaching/leadership.

You’re losing a generation of fans. My sons are turning 12, they have no memory of the Giants as anything but a bad team. They come to me to check in asking if we’re winning, and for 10 years the answer is almost always no. You have a team that hasn’t had a winning record ever under the current GM.

You can blame bad injury luck for a season here or there, but a decade? It’s one thing to believe in The Giants Way if there is one. But, it has to adapt to the current times. Even the great George Young was too slow to adapt to free agency. You’ve been to slow bringing the team into modern offensive football. You must be frustrated paying and overpaying unproductive players and coaches. Think hard about this next GM pick. It’s going to make or break you with a lot of fans. Not current ones, future fans.

Good Luck.
Daniel

Mara.

There have been no measures. The same clowns have been running the show for at least a decade now. Sure, they changed the coach, but there have been no real changes.

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worst owner in all of sports. The fact he still hasn't made a definitive decision on Judge shows how inept is and he is not fit to be in charge of running the organization .

I'll keep it simple. IF Judge is back i am not spending a cent on this team nor wasting my time watching games next season watching this shitty product

Is letting yourself be talked into things because you are too timid to make a stink.

I'm the president of a medium sized medical practice, and most docs are that way, which is why most of my partners would be terrible as president of the group, which is why I'm stuck doing it. :-(

I used to care deeply about a sports team and dictate my Fall around it. Now, I simply don't care that much anymore and haven't for several years. I've gained an extra 17 fall days to spend time doing other things. I owe this all to John Mara's incompetency. Really who else can give you the gift of time?

Time to dust him off for yet another disastrous hire.

When pitchers and catchers report. Forgot the lockout. Guess I’m going back to building birdhouses till next year. At least we have the USFL in the spring and college football in the fall

First, you are losing a generation of potential fans who have seen nothing but incompetence, humiliation, and losing. There are alternatives to watching Giants football.

Second, you are losing fans like myself. I really don't have the heart to relive the 1970s, this time without any hope of a Pete Rozelle intervention. The current state of the Giants can be rightly labeled "hopeless".

You must hire, from the outside, a director of all football operations. All of the Mara family members must resign from positions within football operations. If they want to do marketing, PR, finance, et cetera, then okay. But family in football operations is improper.

You must do this now, the sooner the better.

Face it. The Giants are a laughingstock. You can change that, by stepping back, now.

As was pointed out by another fan, the 17 weeks of losing are a problem, yes. But the real problem is the other 348 days a year of mind-blowing ineptitude.

You are not part of the solution. Step away.

John Mara is 67, Chris Mara is going to turn 64 in a couple of months.

I assume they love the Giants and neither one wants to play golf or go to the track 5 days a week, but why do they put themselves through all the attacks and pressure? They should step away, do owner things, work on league business, impress young women with their seats in the owner's box, whatever.

I'm almost 89 and have been watching the Giants since the 1940s. Before you were even a gleam in Wellington's eye. You have made your father's reign of incompetence(1964-1980) pale in comparison to your failures. You have reached a nadir in Giant history and you're unable, mentally, to comprehend what is happening. Please, wake up, open your eyes and see what your lack of ability has caused. You are losing the future. Do the right thing. For the Giants, for history and for the FANS!

In comment 15542844 V.I.G. said:

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that was way worse than leaving the next GM to decide on Judge and you weren't all acting like this.

People were angry then, but we've gotten even worse in the 2 years since.

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but I feel like you owe us an lengthy explanation and breakdown of the process that led you to this decision. You appear to lack the acumen as well as the disposition for the demands of your position. The insight and humility necessary to recognize this also seems beyond your capabilities. You have alienated your fans and are destroying your family legacy.

For the first time in my life I am embarrassed to be a Giants fan. Embarrassed. I don't know if you're ashamed but goddammit you oughta be.

making this Giants lifer and his dad, a season ticket holder since 1958 not give a shit any longer.

You've destroyed this franchise.

I think that's a fair ask at this point in the game.

But instead we get players treading water trying to answer questions they have no business answering.

"Waste of my time, fucking waste of my time!"

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Any of it. And I subscribe to DirecTV just because it has Sunday Ticket. That's money I flushed down the drain this year - but I'm going to make sure I don't next year. There's no reason for me to be hopeful about the future of the Giants.

I wish the Mara’s would sell the team. The Maras are incompetent and the organization is rife with nepotism. And the Tischs are clearly dumb to allow their investment to be so totally mismanaged.

And here’s one directly for John Mara: Now that Dolan and Cohen have their teams on track, you are clearly the worst owner in NY and the worst owner in the NFL.

for returning me to my youth.

I’m 65 and have been a diehard fan since 1963. These past few years have been just like the late 60s and 70s with and JJ reminding me of Robustelli and Webster.... and I’m not talking about their playing days.

Seriously John ... this is bad ... JJ and his merry band of minions and college cronies are not going to get it done. Start over, and this time get it right.

Congrats. Every single person sees that a full year down is needed and you sit here and retain a lame duck head coach because you don’t want to be viewed as a revolving door? News flash pal, you’re going to be in the same spot next year and will fire him once you see everything drop from ticket sales to merchandise sales. One more year will still make your franchise a revolving door. This team is pathetic and it’s because of the leadership of you and your inability to know talent whether it be front office, staff, or players. Sell the team please if you actually care about this franchise.

Watching games on the Game Mix channel from DTV.

I was once a huge NYG fan with an entire room dedicated to them in my house.

Now it’s full of Yankee and Georgia Bulldog stuff with very few Giants stuff mixed in.

6 straight years of lousy football will do that. I used to freak out before kickoff with excitement, now I see it as 3 hours of misery and a find myself laughing at what was once a proud NYG team.

Especially after the 2 Victory formation called on our own 4 yard line. Only a cowardly franchise would call such plays. I then turned off the game mix and watched bits and pieces of the other games never going back to the NYG game.

looks you right in the eye and says:

SIR, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MEDIUM PEPSI DRINKING MIND.

After 20 years of stressful sundays worrying about the giants, I became so miserable I actually started tuning into other teams, other sports, and other activities. I won my fantasy league (with zero giants), engaged with my family more, had some great days and saved about $1000 on giants merch and tickets. Thank you Mr. Mara for all you did for me. Your team is absolute garbage.

in football. He’s also pretty much never accomplished a never had to face any type of consequences for anything.


Loser. Which is obvious. Being disappointed by this club is on the fabs. I don’t watch anymore. This is where I come and see the wreckage. He’s pathetic

McCaskey’s considered to be a joke.
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I don't think Mara should fire Judge. I think he should leave that decision up to the new GM. Let a football guy make that decision.

truly retained it's just another half-measure that'll delay the inevitable yet again. Biggest disappointment.

Because if there is one thing we know for sure about Joe Judge is that he's a grade-A, top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art, expert and professional bullshitter. He will convince you through straight lying and his pompous, undeserved arrogance that this organization is headed in the right direction. He will serve you shit and call it chocolate mousse. He will show you a hunk of glass and convince you it's a diamond. He will sell you that lemon of a car off his lot and it will break down before even leaving the dealership. And John Mara will buy it. Hook. Line. Sinker. That's the power of a good bullshitter. It's a true gift.



You know what the Giants Way is? Cronyism. Cronyism at all cost. Maintaining the status quo even when everything burns around you. Trying to right the ship when it's six feet under. Holding the line when the enemy is already behind it. Fuck the fans. Fuck winning. Fuck the playoffs. Fuck everyone and everything, except the people in our inner circle. We will run this organization like a family business, which means we choose who we want and we couldn't give a flying fuck about the outside noise.

I think you believe that a few winning seasons somewhere down the road, in a few years, will make everything go back to the way it used to be with you and your fan base.

John Mara you could not be more wrong. Once the bond is broken it never fully exists again. You are losing the core fans that made your franchise. The only reason I still care, the only reason I still watch, the reason the Giants are still important to me is because for the 3 hours the games are being played I get to visit with my father and uncles and all the wonderful memories in Yankee Stadium and Giants Stadium. How many 100's of thousands of Giant fans in the NYC metro area are not passing on the bond because of what you've turned this team into?

You are pretty much down to your last chance to fix this. It needs to be done right now. With people outside your family. People out of your circle. With people who are rising stars in other organizations. We're not fools, we know your brother and CEO in waiting nephew are going nowhere.

But everyone Gettleman brought in, everyone part of Tim's clique, every sycophant in personnel and scouting needs to report to the new GM and he needs to decide if he wants to keep them or hire his own people to succeed. No veto's for anyone named or related to a Mara when those decisions are made.

I think you must have lost your mind if you think you're ever going to win a Super Bowl with Joe Judge and Daniel Jones. We will all know if you make it a requirement of a new GM to retain them. The new GM should have a completely clean slate to make those calls. No veto's for anyone named or related to a Mara when those decisions are made.

I know you don't believe you are killing the golden goose, that it will keep laying golden eggs forever. But you're wrong. You have no concept of what real life is for your fan base in 2021. People are on edge, they're stressed to their limit trying to stay safe and feed their families. The Giants should be an escape from all that, entertainment and family legacy, not something to be embarrassed to be associated with.

You live in bubble where everyone you encounter treats you like you are the head of a royal football family. Everyone you deal with everyday tells you what you want to hear. They all want to be your friend or your employee and they know that like your father you don't handle the truth well. You ask for it but don't listen to it and ignore the few people who tell it to you.

Invite Carl Banks, Michael Strahan and Tiki Barber to lunch somewhere very private. Either separately or together. Ask them what needs to be done to fix this. Listen to their input as one source to make things better. They all still have contacts around the league and know what is going on in the 2021 NFL.

You need to start listening to the people who are telling you the truth. Those people are not in your organization or phone contacts. Pete Rozelle isn't walking through that door with George Young. This is your family business. You have been around the NFL your whole life. You don't know a single person not turning 80 that you can turn to privately who won't tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to hear, that you will listen to?

Also 2022 should be the year that Leonard Marshall gets inducted into the Giants Ring of Honor. It's way overdue. Bring back the 80's players and Bill Parcells for the ceremony. You don't have to go on the field that day. It reflects very poorly on the organization that a player as great as Leonard, a key player on 2 Super Bowl winning teams isn't represented where he belongs. Again it's part of the bond you are breaking. Fix it before it's too late.

describing the 3rd business generation very well:

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Impatience and a Sense of Entitlement Before Responsibility As a rule, many members of the third generation lack the single-minded drive of the first generation or the sense of historical responsibility that characterized the second generation. Its members feel that the family fortune has been built and preserved for them and that they are, unquestionably and without restriction, entitled to it. And, though they may not acknowledge it, these inheritors have usually had a comfortable youth and adolescence, so they are not as motivated as their predecessors to work harder than most of their peers for what they want. Part of the problem is that the newcomers view their predecessors through the prism of these generations’ lifestyles rather than recognizing the sense of purpose, hard work, and even sacrifice that made those lifestyles possible. Not surprisingly, third-generation members often become impatient to assume the privileges, if not always the responsibilities, that they perceive previous generations to have effortlessly enjoyed.

Pathetic half measures as usual

The whole building stinks from top to bottom

It is year 2 in the Judge era and he still was horrendous with knowing when to take timeouts. Your football people went into the season with Mike Glennon as your backup QB with a starter that has shown he gets hurt and misses games. Your GM missed out on drafting QB prospect Josh Allen when he could have backed up and learned from Eli when you should have known Eli was nearing the end of his career. Instead you drafted a running back. You let this GM have 2 more drafts. Your GM overpaid for washed up players and a receiver who is happy to collect his check in free agency. John you are out of your league and the Giants are being laughed at. Your fans aren't laughing and are steaming mad. Clean house!

And still remain head coach?

Wow.. so the offense will remain the same, the defense, and the rest of the shitty coaches in this organization????? Just wow.. Huge sign of weakness and no balls.. can’t say I didn’t expect it.. smh..