would have to clear a physical to be cut. If they are jettisoned, it would likely be with an injury settlement and I have no idea how those settlement numbers affect or are even charged against the cap.
Understand that we all want a much better product on the field but if you “get rid of everyone” then it will be at least another two years. Remember no one thought we had the money to sign who we did last year and we signed a lot, granted it didn’t work out. In no way do I want to cut Blake, gates, if healthy, etc. you can not make decisions when emotional and all of us fans are too emotional because we care and want “them” to succeed
would have to clear a physical to be cut. If they are jettisoned, it would likely be with an injury settlement and I have no idea how those settlement numbers affect or are even charged against the cap.
But I don’t think you get better by cutting all those guys
Booker? Wasn’t the argument that he beer than Barkley?
Barkley? No team would like him at 7m after he has healed from knee surgery?
Bradberry? He didn’t have an all pro season, but if motivated, he’s a solid #1 CB
Martinez? Injury status will dictate - but if healthy he a plus player both physically and mentally
For an legit starting OL
Is that unrealistic ?
I will
Go on record that he will be a top 5 RB on another team.
When he is fully healed and has a good OL
is not a problem at all. 2022 is a mess. But it's one year of cap pain unless they start pushing contracts out into 2023 and 2024. I hope they do not. Take the pain in 2022.
There are things that a smart GM can do in 2022 to free up some money. That would be a refreshing change.
Bradberry's cap number is 21M next year. If he's cut they save 5 million net on the cap but it's a lot of dead money (8M). He is a free agent after 2022 and the Giants would have a 1M cap hit. Maybe a smart GM can get a draft pick for him in April. Then he'd be 8M in dead money and a draft pick. I think he's in decline but I'd rather have him play at a 21M cap hit than restructure him again and push his money and cap hit into 2023.
Trading Barkley for a draft pick would free up 7M with zero dead money. But I doubt that happens.
Blake Martinez has a 14M cap hit next year. The Giants would save 3M net on the cap by cutting him.
Sterling Sheppard has a 12.5M cap hit in 2022. The Giants would save 4.5M net by cutting him. But I don't know how an injury settlement would affect that.
Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap hit the Giants would save 2.5M net on the cap if they cut him.
That's not a lot of maneuverability but it is some.
There are some contracts that hopefully won't be touched in 2022.
Leonard Williams - zero guaranteed after 2022. Adoree Jackson – zero guaranteed after 2022. Same with Golladay and Logan Ryan. All of those players are easy cuts after 2022 right now it they play on their current contract in 2022. Golladay would be a 15M net cap savings by himself. Williams 10M, Jackson 8M, Ryan 6M in 2023.
The Giants only have 6M total in guaranteed money after 2022 on the books right now. So while 2022 is a mess right now, it’s a one year mess and really shouldn’t impact their GM search much unless a candidate wants to use it as an excuse. On the other hand a new GM could, if they wanted to, use the one year lack of flexibility to rationalize keeping Judge and Jones in 2022 and seeing how things play out before making drastic changes.
Understand that we all want a much better product on the field but if you “get rid of everyone” then it will be at least another two years. Remember no one thought we had the money to sign who we did last year and we signed a lot, granted it didn’t work out. In no way do I want to cut Blake, gates, if healthy, etc. you can not make decisions when emotional and all of us fans are too emotional because we care and want “them” to succeed
It would be a miracle if this only takes 2 years. This roster is going to have to be completely turned over in the next 2 years.
is not a problem at all. 2022 is a mess. But it's one year of cap pain unless they start pushing contracts out into 2023 and 2024. I hope they do not. Take the pain in 2022.
There are things that a smart GM can do in 2022 to free up some money. That would be a refreshing change.
Bradberry's cap number is 21M next year. If he's cut they save 5 million net on the cap but it's a lot of dead money (8M). He is a free agent after 2022 and the Giants would have a 1M cap hit. Maybe a smart GM can get a draft pick for him in April. Then he'd be 8M in dead money and a draft pick. I think he's in decline but I'd rather have him play at a 21M cap hit than restructure him again and push his money and cap hit into 2023.
Trading Barkley for a draft pick would free up 7M with zero dead money. But I doubt that happens.
Blake Martinez has a 14M cap hit next year. The Giants would save 3M net on the cap by cutting him.
Sterling Sheppard has a 12.5M cap hit in 2022. The Giants would save 4.5M net by cutting him. But I don't know how an injury settlement would affect that.
Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap hit the Giants would save 2.5M net on the cap if they cut him.
That's not a lot of maneuverability but it is some.
There are some contracts that hopefully won't be touched in 2022.
Leonard Williams - zero guaranteed after 2022. Adoree Jackson – zero guaranteed after 2022. Same with Golladay and Logan Ryan. All of those players are easy cuts after 2022 right now it they play on their current contract in 2022. Golladay would be a 15M net cap savings by himself. Williams 10M, Jackson 8M, Ryan 6M in 2023.
The Giants only have 6M total in guaranteed money after 2022 on the books right now. So while 2022 is a mess right now, it’s a one year mess and really shouldn’t impact their GM search much unless a candidate wants to use it as an excuse. On the other hand a new GM could, if they wanted to, use the one year lack of flexibility to rationalize keeping Judge and Jones in 2022 and seeing how things play out before making drastic changes.
Where are you getting your numbers
Overthecap says you save 12 mill by cutting Bradberry with a 9.7 mill dead cap hit.
Barkley (trade)
Shepard
Rudolph
Bradberry
Dixon
Gates
Booker
Martinez
Barkley (trade)
Shepard
Rudolph
Bradberry
Dixon
Gates
Booker
Martinez
They don't have Solder on the list?
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They don't have Solder on the list?
Agreed. Solder needs to be on that list. I'd also add Golladay if possible.
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Isn’t Solder’s contract expiring?
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The key words is to save cap money. If you look at OTC, it looks like there is no cap savings for cutting Solder before June 1. Only dead cap space.
Gates as well I assume???
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They don't have Solder on the list?
The key words is to save cap money. If you look at OTC, it looks like there is no cap savings for cutting Solder before June 1. Only dead cap space.
This sucks. It looks like you don’t save cap space cutting Solder post June 01 too
What are you guys talking about?
even if you can't get value, there's some real benefit to shedding his salary in his final pre franchise tag year
Booker? Wasn’t the argument that he beer than Barkley?
Barkley? No team would like him at 7m after he has healed from knee surgery?
Bradberry? He didn’t have an all pro season, but if motivated, he’s a solid #1 CB
Martinez? Injury status will dictate - but if healthy he a plus player both physically and mentally
And replace them with ...?
Is that unrealistic ?
I will
Go on record that he will be a top 5 RB on another team.
When he is fully healed and has a good OL
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Barkley (trade)
Shepard
Rudolph
Bradberry
Dixon
Gates
Booker
Martinez
They don't have Solder on the list?
The key words is to save cap money. If you look at OTC, it looks like there is no cap savings for cutting Solder before June 1. Only dead cap space.
Solder is no longer a Giant. His contract restructure added a void year for next year.
Solder is no longer a Giant. His contract restructure added a void year for next year.
Correct the only money is the bonus money he already got that was split between this year and next year's voidable contract.
There are things that a smart GM can do in 2022 to free up some money. That would be a refreshing change.
Bradberry's cap number is 21M next year. If he's cut they save 5 million net on the cap but it's a lot of dead money (8M). He is a free agent after 2022 and the Giants would have a 1M cap hit. Maybe a smart GM can get a draft pick for him in April. Then he'd be 8M in dead money and a draft pick. I think he's in decline but I'd rather have him play at a 21M cap hit than restructure him again and push his money and cap hit into 2023.
Trading Barkley for a draft pick would free up 7M with zero dead money. But I doubt that happens.
Blake Martinez has a 14M cap hit next year. The Giants would save 3M net on the cap by cutting him.
Sterling Sheppard has a 12.5M cap hit in 2022. The Giants would save 4.5M net by cutting him. But I don't know how an injury settlement would affect that.
Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap hit the Giants would save 2.5M net on the cap if they cut him.
That's not a lot of maneuverability but it is some.
There are some contracts that hopefully won't be touched in 2022.
Leonard Williams - zero guaranteed after 2022. Adoree Jackson – zero guaranteed after 2022. Same with Golladay and Logan Ryan. All of those players are easy cuts after 2022 right now it they play on their current contract in 2022. Golladay would be a 15M net cap savings by himself. Williams 10M, Jackson 8M, Ryan 6M in 2023.
The Giants only have 6M total in guaranteed money after 2022 on the books right now. So while 2022 is a mess right now, it’s a one year mess and really shouldn’t impact their GM search much unless a candidate wants to use it as an excuse. On the other hand a new GM could, if they wanted to, use the one year lack of flexibility to rationalize keeping Judge and Jones in 2022 and seeing how things play out before making drastic changes.
It would be a miracle if this only takes 2 years. This roster is going to have to be completely turned over in the next 2 years.
There are things that a smart GM can do in 2022 to free up some money. That would be a refreshing change.
Bradberry's cap number is 21M next year. If he's cut they save 5 million net on the cap but it's a lot of dead money (8M). He is a free agent after 2022 and the Giants would have a 1M cap hit. Maybe a smart GM can get a draft pick for him in April. Then he'd be 8M in dead money and a draft pick. I think he's in decline but I'd rather have him play at a 21M cap hit than restructure him again and push his money and cap hit into 2023.
Trading Barkley for a draft pick would free up 7M with zero dead money. But I doubt that happens.
Blake Martinez has a 14M cap hit next year. The Giants would save 3M net on the cap by cutting him.
Sterling Sheppard has a 12.5M cap hit in 2022. The Giants would save 4.5M net by cutting him. But I don't know how an injury settlement would affect that.
Kyle Rudolph has a 7.5M cap hit the Giants would save 2.5M net on the cap if they cut him.
That's not a lot of maneuverability but it is some.
There are some contracts that hopefully won't be touched in 2022.
Leonard Williams - zero guaranteed after 2022. Adoree Jackson – zero guaranteed after 2022. Same with Golladay and Logan Ryan. All of those players are easy cuts after 2022 right now it they play on their current contract in 2022. Golladay would be a 15M net cap savings by himself. Williams 10M, Jackson 8M, Ryan 6M in 2023.
The Giants only have 6M total in guaranteed money after 2022 on the books right now. So while 2022 is a mess right now, it’s a one year mess and really shouldn’t impact their GM search much unless a candidate wants to use it as an excuse. On the other hand a new GM could, if they wanted to, use the one year lack of flexibility to rationalize keeping Judge and Jones in 2022 and seeing how things play out before making drastic changes.
Where are you getting your numbers
Overthecap says you save 12 mill by cutting Bradberry with a 9.7 mill dead cap hit.