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Corral vs Pickett?

yankeeslover : 1/10/2022 4:31 pm
I don’t watch any college football to be in the know how. Nor am I suggesting that we draft a QB in this draft, but I see these two names thrown around as the top two QBs of this draft. Gun to head, which one you choosing if you had to choose one?
The only reason I’m asking this is I’m wondering if a new GM is going to want to draft his own QB and will use one of our top picks for one.
Not sure what people think of hand size  
CMicks3110 : 1/10/2022 4:31 pm : link
But Pickett apparently has baby hands. 8 inches.
Pickett>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
adamg : 1/10/2022 4:33 pm : link
Picket looks amazing this year. Question is if it's a fluke or not.
whichever is available  
bluefin : 1/10/2022 4:33 pm : link
in rd 2
Don't even  
Beef Wellington : 1/10/2022 4:33 pm : link
go there, two best OL candidates and ride it out with Jones next year. Target one on 2023.
RE: Not sure what people think of hand size  
yankeeslover : 1/10/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15543505 CMicks3110 said:
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But Pickett apparently has baby hands. 8 inches.


Yeah, no thanks, one ghost fumble from Fromm yesterday was enough for me…
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Man In The Box : 1/10/2022 4:34 pm : link
Neither

I wouldn't take either of them in the top 10 or even top 20. I would prefer a veteran stopgap QB or let DJ play out the final year of his contract.
Leaning  
Spider43 : 1/10/2022 4:34 pm : link
Towards Pickett. But I'll put my faith in the new GM to figure it out. I really do think we need to use Chicago's pick on the guy we decide to lead our franchise going forward.
I hope they are hot commodities  
George from PA : 1/10/2022 4:34 pm : link
....but not for Giants
It truly doesn't matter, the Giants will not draft a qb any higher  
Jack Stroud : 1/10/2022 4:34 pm : link
than perhaps the 4th round, there are way too many holes to fill. If they can some how swing a trade that gives then a 1st round pick next year they may give consideration to a qb, but for now they are set a qb.
RE: It truly doesn't matter, the Giants will not draft a qb any higher  
j_rud : 1/10/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15543532 Jack Stroud said:
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than perhaps the 4th round, there are way too many holes to fill. If they can some how swing a trade that gives then a 1st round pick next year they may give consideration to a qb, but for now they are set a qb.


Too many holes to fill? The QB spot is a gaping crater.
Neither  
dpinzow : 1/10/2022 4:37 pm : link
Veteran stopgap for 2022 and draft a QB in 2023
Corral  
cjac : 1/10/2022 4:39 pm : link
is too frail for me, not sure he's going to last in the NFL with his style of play
RE: Not sure what people think of hand size  
Everyone Relax : 1/10/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15543505 CMicks3110 said:
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But Pickett apparently has baby hands. 8 inches.

I do find this concerning as well. Gloves help but in snowing/rainy conditions they don’t. Certainly not interested with one of our top 2 picks. Rebuild the lines!
RE: Corral  
dpinzow : 1/10/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15543555 cjac said:
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is too frail for me, not sure he's going to last in the NFL with his style of play


Yup. If we're going to criticize Bryce Young, a far superior QB prospect in 2023 for lack of size, Corral is in the same boat, and plays far more recklessly than Bryce Young
Pickett was pretty much an average college QB until this year  
dpinzow : 1/10/2022 4:43 pm : link
I don't see him as a substantial upgrade over Jones, and that's what we want. a substantial upgrade, not a small one
Ridder isn't NFL ready based on that Alabama game  
dpinzow : 1/10/2022 4:45 pm : link
I see Ridder as a poor man's Justin Fields...

Malik Willis might be the answer but you still need a veteran stopgap for 2022 if you draft him because he's a project
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Go Terps : 1/10/2022 4:47 pm : link
The hand size doesn't seem to impact how Pickett throws the ball. He gets plenty of power from different platforms, and lots of RPMs.

That's with a college ball, though. He's got to silence that concern at the combine with an NFL ball.
Corral & Pickett  
stretch234 : 1/10/2022 4:48 pm : link
I don’t get how you look at Pickett and say he is going to be this NFL can’t miss QB. His 2 previous years of being a starter he had 23 TDs and 18 Ints

Corral is listed at college as 6’ or 6-1 and 205. Coming from college,that means he is smaller than that. Not touching either of these guys

Fix the OL and see if Jones can play behind it. If he can you move forward with him. If he can’t you replace him but have an OL foundation set
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dpinzow : 1/10/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15543597 Go Terps said:
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The hand size doesn't seem to impact how Pickett throws the ball. He gets plenty of power from different platforms, and lots of RPMs.

That's with a college ball, though. He's got to silence that concern at the combine with an NFL ball.


There are no Herbert or Allen-level QB prospects in this draft in terms of physical tools with the possible exception of Willis, and he needs a year on the bench before you play him
pickett  
richinpa : 1/10/2022 4:56 pm : link
of the 2 pickett.

makes plays and if you watch some of his play this year, he does all the right things.

I disagree that he is not going to be a good NFL QB. Every year the pundits claim great QB class, poor QB class. They are always wrong

I think this kid is going to be a winner from what i saw of his play this year. I think he is an upgrade to DJ.

But we aren't a QB away. We have a new rebuild process and shedding of again wasted Salaries on JAGS like Logan Ryand paying too much for guys like Bradberry and Williams

Start with the OL and Edge and build from there. talk to me in 2+ years
I think there are a bunch of QB's that I would jump at in Rd 2  
PatersonPlank : 1/10/2022 4:57 pm : link
Pickett, Corral, Strong, but I would touch them in the top 10 of Rd 1
Neither ... don’t fence me in ...  
Spider56 : 1/10/2022 5:16 pm : link
Just give me land, lots of land under starry skies above.
None  
uconngiant : 1/10/2022 5:18 pm : link
This is not what is needed. Offensive line needs a huge upgrade.
Need a pass rusher, a linebacker, Tight End, a wide out and a real back-up quarterback who can push Jones or whoever
Neither  
JonC : 1/10/2022 5:20 pm : link
get to work building the roster and adding the best talent possible, this isn't a quick fix situation.
If Corral...  
bw in dc : 1/10/2022 5:22 pm : link
didn't have his body type, I could put him in inside the top 15. He has plus arm, plus mobility and he's tough.

Pickett will be in my top 15 candidates if this hand size concern (and glove) can be fully vetted. He really has a nice blend of pocket and off-platform throwing ability with an underrated arm. He really looks the part in the pocket.
if we play our cards right we could have the #1 pick in 2023  
markky : 1/10/2022 5:24 pm : link
draft bpa this year. hopefully that means the trenches.

we are going to be worse next year than this year. the only risk is DJ recovers and leads us to 6 wins, which is what we were on track for before he got hurt. then we'll be screwed. we need to ride fromm/lewerke.
How about neither  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2022 5:35 pm : link
You can't change Corral's body type and I am just concerned that his playing style is not conducive to the type of punishment he would take in the NFL. If you take him you better be prepared with a back-up QB in name only because he better be starting caliber.

If you told me prior to this year that you even had a draftable Pickett I would have laughed at you. For FOUR YEARS he performed comparably to how Daniel Jones did at Duke. He has one great year and suddenly he is a Top 10 pick? I am concerned that the QB we saw this year was not the light suddenly turning on, but a QB who was so vastly more experienced than his competition being able to use that to his advantage. That advantage will cease when he enters the NFL.

Personally I think the QB with the most upside and potential to reach that upside is Desmond Ridder, but as Alabama tape showed he needs to redshirt this year wherever he goes.
RE: Neither  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15543737 JonC said:
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get to work building the roster and adding the best talent possible, this isn't a quick fix situation.

This, the giants should spent this season building the offensive line and pass rush. Then target a QB in 2023. Unfortunately we both know that they will take Pickett out of need.
Neither  
JFIB : 1/10/2022 5:52 pm : link
Judge for one more year, trade back and acquire an extra one next year. Tank the 2022 season cause Judge is in charge and draft JD Stroud! I want that kid wearing Blue in the worst way!
Pickett  
BigBlueCane : 1/10/2022 5:55 pm : link
didn't play with a great supporting cast outside of an emergent WR.

Corral  
Vanzetti : 1/10/2022 5:57 pm : link
Is the same size as Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Joe Montana also was not much bigger.

If he were 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, he would be going at the top of the draft.
My buddy trains Qbs in SoCal  
Payasdaddy : 1/10/2022 6:00 pm : link
We were just talking about them the other day
He says corral has a real live arm and is so so on pickett
He was throwing to Olave the other day
On Pickett’s hand size  
alsoknownaskaz : 1/10/2022 6:19 pm : link
Everyone is so concerned about his hand size, but search “Pickett double jointed thumb” on google. He has a double jointed thumb on his throwing hand that negates a lot of the negatives that a small hand size brings.
Corral  
ajr2456 : 1/10/2022 6:32 pm : link
And it’s not close
RE: Corral  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15543894 Vanzetti said:
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Is the same size as Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Joe Montana also was not much bigger.

If he were 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, he would be going at the top of the draft.


And if my aunt had balls…
Brees and Wilson knew their size limitations and adjusted accordingly. Corral plays like he thinks he is Josh Allen.
RE: Corral  
GMen72 : 1/10/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15543894 Vanzetti said:
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Is the same size as Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Joe Montana also was not much bigger.

If he were 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier, he would be going at the top of the draft.


Corral played in a very QB friendly scheme (Lebby), which primarily revolves around passes at, or near, the line of scrimmage. Too small, too slow for his size, lacks bigtime arm strength, and sucked against Bama until they were down 35-0.

I predict Corral will be the QB that goes from 1st round hype to a big drop. He's not a 1st round talent.
Kinda depends  
Tyeson : 1/10/2022 7:42 pm : link
On DJ health. If he has serious neck injury concerns, then NYG probably consider QB sometime in 2022 draft…maybe earlier round out of necessity. if that’s the case then one of these two would be in play. My pref is Pickett….small hands & all !!!
I’ll see what is said  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/10/2022 8:00 pm : link
In the pre draft but I don’t see either as a high quality NFL QB talent. 2023.
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Go Terps : 1/10/2022 10:31 pm : link
I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.
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Producer : 1/10/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:
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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.


yea I'm not sure I see it yet with him, either. But a lot can change in a year.
1st time watching young  
yankeeslover : 1/10/2022 10:37 pm : link
I’m not too impressed. Granted it’s only one game that I’m watching
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bw in dc : 1/10/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:
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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.


It's pretty good, but not plus. He's not a big guy and is a true frosh. So it could improve.
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Go Terps : 1/10/2022 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15544736 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:


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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.



It's pretty good, but not plus. He's not a big guy and is a true frosh. So it could improve.


It's gonna have to get a lot better. People knock Corral for his frame, but Young is even smaller. And again, two different levels of thrower.
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bw in dc : 1/10/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15544760 Go Terps said:
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It's pretty good, but not plus. He's not a big guy and is a true frosh. So it could improve.



It's gonna have to get a lot better. People knock Corral for his frame, but Young is even smaller. And again, two different levels of thrower.


Agreed.

Young's most impressive features to me are his demeanor and how he stands tall in the pocket. Pretty good spine to hang in there.
that 40 yard ball  
Producer : 1/10/2022 10:56 pm : link
was a nice one.
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GMen72 : 1/10/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:
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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.


I'm glad you're not our GM, you have no clue about talent. Young will most likely be the 1st pick in the draft. He's playing without his two 1st round WRs against the best defense in the country. Go watch Corral against Bama, tell me how great he is. Young is 10X the QB prospect Corral is.
Here is an article  
DCPollaro : 1/10/2022 11:06 pm : link
On the double jointed thumb
Link - ( New Window )
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bw in dc : 1/10/2022 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15544787 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:


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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.



I'm glad you're not our GM, you have no clue about talent. Young will most likely be the 1st pick in the draft. He's playing without his two 1st round WRs against the best defense in the country. Go watch Corral against Bama, tell me how great he is. Young is 10X the QB prospect Corral is.


Corral was a 4-star recruit who was going to USC. I'm not sure what you are watching, but Corral could run this O'Brien offense just as well as effectively - IMV.
we got Jones  
xman : 1/10/2022 11:29 pm : link
are these guys any better?
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Jim in Forest Hills : 1/10/2022 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15544811 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15544720 Go Terps said:


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I'm watching Bryce Young right now - he doesn't throw the ball as well as Pickett and he damn sure doesn't throw it like Corral.



I'm glad you're not our GM, you have no clue about talent. Young will most likely be the 1st pick in the draft. He's playing without his two 1st round WRs against the best defense in the country. Go watch Corral against Bama, tell me how great he is. Young is 10X the QB prospect Corral is.



Corral was a 4-star recruit who was going to USC. I'm not sure what you are watching, but Corral could run this O'Brien offense just as well as effectively - IMV.


Corral had 57 tds his whole career, Young has 46 this year! Young was a 5 star recruit. You already making excuses for Corral?
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bw in dc : 1/10/2022 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15544852 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Corral had 57 tds his whole career, Young has 46 this year! Young was a 5 star recruit. You already making excuses for Corral?


No excuses. Alabama just has a material difference in talent versus Ole Miss. So, I'm quite comfortable saying Corral would be very productive with more talent.
Less talent is 100% an excuse  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2022 12:01 am : link
Wtf
RE: Less talent is 100% an excuse  
bw in dc : 1/11/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15544917 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Wtf


No, it's the truth.

Do you think Young has 46 TDs with Ole Miss?
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GMen72 : 1/11/2022 12:34 am : link
In comment 15544911 bw in dc said:
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Corral had 57 tds his whole career, Young has 46 this year! Young was a 5 star recruit. You already making excuses for Corral?



No excuses. Alabama just has a material difference in talent versus Ole Miss. So, I'm quite comfortable saying Corral would be very productive with more talent.


It's a completely different offense. Ole Miss this year was OCed by Lebby, from the Art Briles/Baylor (think RG3) offensive tree. It's a gimmicky offense that needs very few reads, most throws are predetermined before the snap. There's very few, to no, progressions.

Bama offense is much tougher to run because it actually requires progressions and is more pro-style.

I have nothing against Corral...he's just not a top 10 pick in terms of talent nor NFL preparedness. If he falls to the 2nd round, or if the Giants trade into the 20s, he's possibly worth the gamble. He's not better than the best OLine and DLine in this draft class. He's probably better than DJ...but he's still a big reach in the top 10.
RE: RE: Less talent is 100% an excuse  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15544920 bw in dc said:
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Wtf



No, it's the truth.

Do you think Young has 46 TDs with Ole Miss?


Why not? How do you know what he does there? Or should we say the same about Daniel Jones at Duke? Jones' stats are pretty similar to Corral's btw. And Corral beat what two ranked teams in his career? And one was INdiana?
Bryce Young is miles better than Corral  
dpinzow : 1/11/2022 9:42 am : link
in pretty much every metric you use to measure a QB. He's the only QB to light up a historically good Georgia defense (SEC championship). Even down his top two receivers, Bryce Young almost beat that same defense a second time
So is Stroud  
dpinzow : 1/11/2022 9:43 am : link
No QBs in this draft class compare to Young or Stroud
Corral when he played Alabama was down 35-0  
dpinzow : 1/11/2022 9:48 am : link
in the 3rd quarter. They pretty much chewed him up and spit him out, if you want to get the closest thing Corral's seen to an NFL defense
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