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Per Art: Abrams will not be interviewed for GM

BeckShepEli : 1/10/2022 6:19 pm
He is not a candidate for the job per Art
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It seems like Mara is doing damage control  
AdamBrag : 1/10/2022 6:28 pm : link
Your 2022 Giants - "At Least We Didn't Hire Abrams!"
Timely throwing the masses a  
Brandon Walsh : 1/10/2022 6:30 pm : link
Bone since Judge is somehow inexplicably still here.
RE: It seems like Mara is doing damage control  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2022 6:31 pm : link
In comment 15544015 AdamBrag said:
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Your 2022 Giants - "At Least We Didn't Hire Abrams!"


So every single thing will be damage control or a farce instead of actually learning from mistakes?
RE: I see Tisch’ paw print  
bw in dc : 1/10/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15544003 Dave on the UWS said:
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on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.


I want to buy this, but I think The Dove has shown too many times where he falls in line with Mara.

But if he finally had an epiphany, let's hope he really starts using his 50% say to chop down the Giants Way.
It feels like  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2022 6:33 pm : link
Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
Sure don't want him for GM, BUT  
David B. : 1/10/2022 6:34 pm : link
If I were Abrams, I'd be LEAVING.
RE: Abrams did not decide salaries  
Essex : 1/10/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15544012 Reale01 said:
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He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.


If that is all he has done that’s fine, the issue really is we want a voice from outside the building to take over because whatever they are smoking inside the building isn’t working and Abrams has been here 20 years . We need a new outlook
As it should be  
Breeze_94 : 1/10/2022 6:37 pm : link
This is promising and shows that ownership is not as incompetent as we thought.

Next step, and I’m feeling optimistic based on reports, is to let the next gm make the decision on Judge. That would be the best move.
RE: It feels like  
Essex : 1/10/2022 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15544032 nygiants16 said:
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Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate


As long as he has no say in the GM search, I would sign for that right now. No GM worth his salt is going to keep him unless they are friends.
Why are some of you insufferable  
Chris684 : 1/10/2022 6:39 pm : link
Even in the face of things happening the way people wanted and bitched about non-stop for a year?
Logical approach if true  
Jimmy Googs : 1/10/2022 6:41 pm : link
and noted earlier...
Judge  
giantBCP : 1/10/2022 6:44 pm : link
vetoed him.
RE: It feels like  
Sean : 1/10/2022 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15544032 nygiants16 said:
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Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate

Yep. Remember last year when the Eagles fired Pederson like a week later. Feels similar.
RE: Abrams did not decide salaries  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15544012 Reale01 said:
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He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.


then why hasn't he interviewed outside the Giants organization once? Any non-gm worth a damn gets interviewed for openings. You think the entire NFL is just sleeping on this guy? He is trash just like Joe Judge is trash. If they got fired today they wouldn't be getting another job with any other team.
RE: Abrams did not decide salaries  
bwitz : 1/10/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15544012 Reale01 said:
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He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.


If you want to play it like that, there also isn’t any evidence that doesn’t tie him to those decisions. Or at least nothing showing he was against it. He’s been in the organization for a very long time; never really recall his name at all when this season comes around, except when it pertains to the Giants. If he had qualms about the way things were run, he’d have moved on years ago. He didn’t. He’s comfortable. If he were promoted to GM, it would be completely obvious where the strings were actually being pulled.
RE: RE: Feels like  
Red Right Hand : 1/10/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15543998 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15543978 BigBlueJ said:


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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.



Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.

Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
^ THIS is what just happened.
RE: It feels like  
Red Right Hand : 1/10/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15544032 nygiants16 said:
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Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
it doesn't sound so much like they had a real meeting, does it> not really...

I'm starting to think they are realizing in real time they are done with him, maybe let the incoming GM do the deed, after they sweat his arrogant ass a bit.
RE: Abrams did not decide salaries  
Section331 : 1/10/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15544012 Reale01 said:
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He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.


They had to restructure contracts this year merely to fit small bonuses under the cap. That was literally his job. I don’t see how that mismanagement would earn him a promotion.
I think joe judge gave ownership a big FU yesterday,  
Red Right Hand : 1/10/2022 7:02 pm : link
and I'm not totally sure they aren't returning the favor.
Next year is likely to be not very good  
Blue Dream : 1/10/2022 7:10 pm : link
Except for draft picks no cap space to change very much. Might be best to let Judge coach a lame duck year then bring someone in who will be in a position to succeed.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2022 7:19 pm : link
Subjects I can't recall BBI being more on the same page: 1) Gettleman had to go, 2) Judge should be fired, & 3) Abrams can't be promoted.

Now just waiting on #2. #1 was inevitable, but #3 was in the mix for awhile.
RE: RE: RE: Feels like  
Costy16 : 1/10/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15544004 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15543998 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 15543978 BigBlueJ said:


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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.



Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.

Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.



If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.


Obviously there is more to come from this, but it seems like Mara is trending towards allowing the new GM decide what to do with Judge. Of course, that could all change tomorrow.
...  
BleedBlue : 1/10/2022 7:29 pm : link
lots of people in here might owe mara a little apology for the knee jerk reaction.

Maybe the guy is actually in touch and we end up with schoen and daboll or something similiar
RE: …  
GMen72 : 1/10/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15543991 ryanmkeane said:
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I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge


Why? It sends a terrible message to the team if you keep Judge...winning isn't important. The new GM needs to set a new tone that the past isn't acceptable.
RE: I see Tisch’ paw print  
81_Great_Dane : 1/10/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15544003 Dave on the UWS said:
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on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.
This is plausible.
THANK YOU THANK YOU  
5BowlsSoon : 1/10/2022 7:36 pm : link
Move forward, not sideways.
I just hope Mara doesn't think  
Bill in UT : 1/10/2022 7:40 pm : link
that sacrificing Abrams covers his butt. He still needs to get the family the hell out of personnel for a new GM
RE: RE: …  
Joe Beckwith : 1/10/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15544013 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 15543991 ryanmkeane said:


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I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge



Why would he keep Judge?


+1.
There’s NO part of any qualified GM that would want Judge. And if proposed all he’d have to say is ‘Judge damaged your image, and the fans remember’.
Tisch intervention  
Les in TO : 1/10/2022 7:56 pm : link
Seems likely.
With Abrams  
Giant John : 1/10/2022 7:58 pm : link
It would have been same old, same old. We don’t need more of complete failure,
Wow  
cosmicj : 1/10/2022 8:28 pm : link
I literally can’t believe this.
I think this means more than ever  
montanagiant : 1/10/2022 8:38 pm : link
That they are keeping Judge as HC
This is probably the most important news  
dpinzow : 1/10/2022 8:38 pm : link
A GM with full control here could be like the 2020s version of George Young
RE: I think this means more than ever  
GFAN52 : 1/10/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15544418 montanagiant said:
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That they are keeping Judge as HC


Why, please explain?
Would be a real LOLGIANTS  
NoGainDayne : 1/10/2022 8:52 pm : link
if he got the job without the interview
Said weeks ago  
UberAlias : 1/10/2022 9:15 pm : link
I was told he was not in running.
No need to interview him, he's been around long enough  
jgambrosio : 1/10/2022 9:41 pm : link
they'll just give him the job.

:)
RE: RE: I think this means more than ever  
montanagiant : 1/10/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15544450 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 15544418 montanagiant said:


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That they are keeping Judge as HC



Why, please explain?

Because there is no way on Earth that they would keep Judge AND promote Abrams. The fall-out from that would be horrific for them. By declaring they are going outside gives them cover to keep Judge one more year while giving the GM the ability to fire him after a season of evaluation.

The Maras have no desire to be paying for 3 HC's at one time so Abrams becomes the cast-off. And Abrams really is in a great spot as is making really good money without the heat of a GM
Breer:  
Sean : 1/10/2022 10:00 pm : link
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Sources: Giants assistant GM Kevin Abrams is not a candidate for the team’s open general manager job, and will not interview for it.
RE: Breer:  
christian : 1/10/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15544638 Sean said:
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Sources: Giants assistant GM Kevin Abrams is not a candidate for the team’s open general manager job, and will not interview for it.



I’m completely shocked. This is the biggest revelation for this team in 10 years.

This will be the first time in nearly 40 years the Giants will hire a GM who doesn’t have senior management experience as a Giant.
Judge's meltdown over the past few weeks  
Jerry in_DC : 1/10/2022 10:39 pm : link
may have saved the franchise
if Judge was/is campaigning for Abrams  
mphbullet36 : 1/10/2022 10:52 pm : link
This has to be a good sign that Judge is likely out.
RE: Why are some of you insufferable  
joeinpa : 1/11/2022 1:50 am : link
In comment 15544050 Chris684 said:
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Even in the face of things happening the way people wanted and bitched about non-stop for a year?


Was kind of wondering the same thing Chris.

Gettleman gone, no promotion of Abrams, looking outside for GM, who might or might not keep Judge.

Are the happy or pissed about how wrong they seem to have been about what Mara would do?
RE: Keep as the cap guy....  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2022 5:50 am : link
In comment 15543994 George from PA said:
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Why?

Serious question, what makes you think he has done a good job with the cap?
Or...Mayne this is more bs  
Matt M. : 1/11/2022 6:38 am : link
First of all, these guys are writing stuff like, "my unserstanding..." Where are the sources.

Second of all, if true, it could simply mean nothing more than Mara understands the optics at this point of keeping Judge, while promoting Abrams. So, maybe, not promoting Abrams, in his mind, justifies anything else he does to the fan base. He could not interview Abrams and still have a GM he considers a lackey depending on what they actually flist on that person behind closed doors in their interviews and meetings.

This is why the organization is a clown show. Literally anything and everything being thrown out there doesn't seem so crazy for this team.
RE: Or...Mayne this is more bs  
Peppers : 1/11/2022 7:05 am : link
In comment 15545003 Matt M. said:
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First of all, these guys are writing stuff like, "my unserstanding..." Where are the sources.



It's good to be cautious with these beat reporters but I heard this as well, actually mentioned it weeks ago.. These guys are just finally catching up.
RE: RE: Why are some of you insufferable  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 7:36 am : link
In comment 15544955 joeinpa said:
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Are the happy or pissed about how wrong they seem to have been about what Mara would do?



If they follow through, sure. Results first.
I wouldn't be surprised  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/11/2022 7:41 am : link
if Abrams told them he didn't want to interview for the position. He is a very smart guy - spare the owner the issue of disappointing the inside guy. Anyone in that spot could read the tea leaves.
This is where things logically were heading over the last month  
Jimmy Googs : 1/11/2022 8:05 am : link
or so as the wheels really started falling off. Just made sense so no sure why the surprise; or as mentioned, why anybody should be upset. These are good things...

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Gettleman gone, no promotion of Abrams, looking outside for GM, who might or might not keep Judge.
RE: RE: Or...Mayne this is more bs  
Matt M. : 1/11/2022 8:17 am : link
In comment 15545014 Peppers said:
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In comment 15545003 Matt M. said:


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First of all, these guys are writing stuff like, "my unserstanding..." Where are the sources.





It's good to be cautious with these beat reporters but I heard this as well, actually mentioned it weeks ago.. These guys are just finally catching up.
Heard it from whom?
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