Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
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My understanding on the Giants' search: Kevin Abrams is not a candidate to succeed Dave Gettleman as general manager with the Giants, per source.
Obviously things can change, but that's where things stand right now.
Paul Schwartz @NYPost_Schwartz
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Regarding the Giants general manager search:
Kevin Abrams is not considered to be a candidate. The VP of football operations and assistant GM is respected in the building and it remains to be seen if he has a role with the Giants moving forward.
"This clown picture that's circulating around the internet
on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.
on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.
the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.
Well, if the report that Judge was trying to get Abrams promoted is true, then it basically is. This is a great thing and lowers the chances of Judge coming back.
He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.
I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge
No, no way he keeps Judge. Man, some of you need to really look at the job, the opportunity like it was your own opportunity. You don't roll with the embedded stench of 10-23 as your head coach and just as bad a record with your QB. You come in and get your own people.
on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.
I want to buy this, but I think The Dove has shown too many times where he falls in line with Mara.
But if he finally had an epiphany, let's hope he really starts using his 50% say to chop down the Giants Way.
Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.
If that is all he has done that’s fine, the issue really is we want a voice from outside the building to take over because whatever they are smoking inside the building isn’t working and Abrams has been here 20 years . We need a new outlook
Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
As long as he has no say in the GM search, I would sign for that right now. No GM worth his salt is going to keep him unless they are friends.
Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
Yep. Remember last year when the Eagles fired Pederson like a week later. Feels similar.
He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.
then why hasn't he interviewed outside the Giants organization once? Any non-gm worth a damn gets interviewed for openings. You think the entire NFL is just sleeping on this guy? He is trash just like Joe Judge is trash. If they got fired today they wouldn't be getting another job with any other team.
He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.
If you want to play it like that, there also isn’t any evidence that doesn’t tie him to those decisions. Or at least nothing showing he was against it. He’s been in the organization for a very long time; never really recall his name at all when this season comes around, except when it pertains to the Giants. If he had qualms about the way things were run, he’d have moved on years ago. He didn’t. He’s comfortable. If he were promoted to GM, it would be completely obvious where the strings were actually being pulled.
Judge is just keeping his job for now, there has been no confirmation he is staying and metting with Mara and Tisch tells me they are basically telling judge for now you are coach but it will be the new GM deciding your fate
it doesn't sound so much like they had a real meeting, does it> not really...
I'm starting to think they are realizing in real time they are done with him, maybe let the incoming GM do the deed, after they sweat his arrogant ass a bit.
He was told to get guys and make it work with the cap - which he did. Not sure why some of you are all over him. He did his job. There is no evidence that I have seen tying him to the decisions that were made regarding who to pay.
They had to restructure contracts this year merely to fit small bonuses under the cap. That was literally his job. I don’t see how that mismanagement would earn him a promotion.
I think joe judge gave ownership a big FU yesterday,
Except for draft picks no cap space to change very much. Might be best to let Judge coach a lame duck year then bring someone in who will be in a position to succeed.
the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.
Obviously there is more to come from this, but it seems like Mara is trending towards allowing the new GM decide what to do with Judge. Of course, that could all change tomorrow.
I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge
Why? It sends a terrible message to the team if you keep Judge...winning isn't important. The new GM needs to set a new tone that the past isn't acceptable.
on that. He’s not a football guy but there is a report he hasn’t been happy about the organization for “sometime”. I have a guy feeling he’s throwing his weight around more this time around.
I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge
Why would he keep Judge?
+1.
There’s NO part of any qualified GM that would want Judge. And if proposed all he’d have to say is ‘Judge damaged your image, and the fans remember’.
Art - ( New Window )
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My understanding on the Giants' search: Kevin Abrams is not a candidate to succeed Dave Gettleman as general manager with the Giants, per source.
Obviously things can change, but that's where things stand right now.
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Regarding the Giants general manager search:
Kevin Abrams is not considered to be a candidate. The VP of football operations and assistant GM is respected in the building and it remains to be seen if he has a role with the Giants moving forward.
Let us hope this report is true.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.
I feel like this is more likely.
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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.
Well, if the report that Judge was trying to get Abrams promoted is true, then it basically is. This is a great thing and lowers the chances of Judge coming back.
Why would he keep Judge?
No, no way he keeps Judge. Man, some of you need to really look at the job, the opportunity like it was your own opportunity. You don't roll with the embedded stench of 10-23 as your head coach and just as bad a record with your QB. You come in and get your own people.
So every single thing will be damage control or a farce instead of actually learning from mistakes?
I want to buy this, but I think The Dove has shown too many times where he falls in line with Mara.
But if he finally had an epiphany, let's hope he really starts using his 50% say to chop down the Giants Way.
If that is all he has done that’s fine, the issue really is we want a voice from outside the building to take over because whatever they are smoking inside the building isn’t working and Abrams has been here 20 years . We need a new outlook
Next step, and I’m feeling optimistic based on reports, is to let the next gm make the decision on Judge. That would be the best move.
As long as he has no say in the GM search, I would sign for that right now. No GM worth his salt is going to keep him unless they are friends.
Yep. Remember last year when the Eagles fired Pederson like a week later. Feels similar.
then why hasn't he interviewed outside the Giants organization once? Any non-gm worth a damn gets interviewed for openings. You think the entire NFL is just sleeping on this guy? He is trash just like Joe Judge is trash. If they got fired today they wouldn't be getting another job with any other team.
If you want to play it like that, there also isn’t any evidence that doesn’t tie him to those decisions. Or at least nothing showing he was against it. He’s been in the organization for a very long time; never really recall his name at all when this season comes around, except when it pertains to the Giants. If he had qualms about the way things were run, he’d have moved on years ago. He didn’t. He’s comfortable. If he were promoted to GM, it would be completely obvious where the strings were actually being pulled.
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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
I'm starting to think they are realizing in real time they are done with him, maybe let the incoming GM do the deed, after they sweat his arrogant ass a bit.
They had to restructure contracts this year merely to fit small bonuses under the cap. That was literally his job. I don’t see how that mismanagement would earn him a promotion.
Now just waiting on #2. #1 was inevitable, but #3 was in the mix for awhile.
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the narrative is starting to build. I feel like I can see the scenario where Abrams and Joe is gone as per the new GM.
Judge told Mara he'd like Abrams to be his GM, and Mara basically told him to go fuck himself.
Credit to Mara for the first time in ages. Gotta give credit where it's due. I'm so happy.
If this were the narrative, Mara would simply fire Judge now.
Obviously there is more to come from this, but it seems like Mara is trending towards allowing the new GM decide what to do with Judge. Of course, that could all change tomorrow.
Maybe the guy is actually in touch and we end up with schoen and daboll or something similiar
Why? It sends a terrible message to the team if you keep Judge...winning isn't important. The new GM needs to set a new tone that the past isn't acceptable.
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I’m starting to think it will be Poles, and he’ll overhaul the entire front office and scouting department but he’ll keep Judge
Why would he keep Judge?
+1.
There’s NO part of any qualified GM that would want Judge. And if proposed all he’d have to say is ‘Judge damaged your image, and the fans remember’.