How happy are we with either option? It would make sense since both are in KC/Buffalo, and the rumors are that the Giants contacted both Poles and Schoen.
but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
While it needs to be looked into, it was roughly 20 years ago. I would hope he has changed and is now a man who could be trusted as a Coach, Father and Husband.
But, if his past is too scary I get it. If there are any doubts then yes, he should be removed from consideration.
The concern is both have been so fortunate to construct an offense around great, great QBs. Such a luxury when Mahomes and Allen can go off-script. I have no idea how to gauge if either could develop a young QB if we go that direction.
don’t see it with Bienemy. Either the background is terrible or he stinks I’m interviews, possibly both. Very odd that even an endorsement from Reid can’t seal the deal for him.
I don’t want to take a chance with the next young coordinator
In comment 15544059 UConn4523 said:
[quote] don’t see it with Bienemy. Either the background is terrible or he stinks I’m interviews, possibly both. Very odd that even an endorsement from Reid can’t seal the deal for him. [/quote
Bienemy has pretty well chronicled issues during his time at Colorado. And I think he had a drinking issue recently at KC, too.
but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
a HC in training. As stated previously, we need someone with HC experience. Between Mcadoo, Shurmur and Judge, experimements with 1st time HC's all failed.
a HC in training. As stated previously, we need someone with HC experience. Between Mcadoo, Shurmur and Judge, experimements with 1st time HC's all failed.
a HC in training. As stated previously, we need someone with HC experience. Between Mcadoo, Shurmur and Judge, experimements with 1st time HC's all failed.
So we say no to Daboll if Schoen wants to replace Judge with him?
His background is defense and he went to Boston College. He inherited a real turd from Gase in Miami, cleaned out the prima donnas and got them 2 winning back to back seasons for the first time in 20 years. He was fired because of friction with Tua and the GM.
We need to sign this guy before someone else does.
His background is defense and he went to Boston College. He inherited a real turd from Gase in Miami, cleaned out the prima donnas and got them 2 winning back to back seasons for the first time in 20 years. He was fired because of friction with Tua and the GM.
We need to sign this guy before someone else does.
I like Flores but I prefer an offensive guru with a system.
He’s never gotten a HC job. There is something that turns teams off in the interviews.I’m not even sure he’s still considered a candidate for a HC job at this point
it feels like every single year the media clamors for Bieniemy to get a head coaching job just in the hopes to tear him down for his past the moment he gets whichever job
RE: RE: I honestly don't know much about either GM
but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
I am probably ok with either but it doesn't much matter where Reid ends and Bieniemy begins. Can he install a system successfully? Can he recognize talent? Those are the two key questions.
I'm leaning Poles but would much rather he come with Flores or Daboll.
What Flores was able to do with Miami is amazing. Their roster ishonestly not much better than ours, both probably 7-8 win teams talent-wise. Whereas Judge managed to lose us 3-4 games we shouldve won all by himself, Flores ended up with 3-4 or wins than would have been expected. He also let Graham come here and didn't miss a beat. Their defense improved. Not a case where he's riding his co-ordinators.
RE: RE: RE: I honestly don't know much about either GM
but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
Why do teams keep hiring New England assistants for the HC position. After all New England is all about Little Bill but his assistants keep getting HC gigs. That's because you hope when you hire Little Bill assistants that they will bring with them some of that New England know how, they are capable and knows how to build a team and be successful. And that's the reason you hire Leftwich, Bieniemy or Daboll.
has something to do with the color of his skin. And the apparent fact that many rich white men who own football teams are uncomfortable hiring people of color as head coaches.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Cesario wanted Flores given the NE connection.
Watson wanted Flores.
Watson will be suspended for x# of games if the legal stuff gets resolved the next 6 months.
If Flores can live with DW then he might be Texans bound.
has something to do with the color of his skin. And the apparent fact that many rich white men who own football teams are uncomfortable hiring people of color as head coaches.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Well there are other minority HCs so yeah, kinda dumb to pull the race card. And in this age of information your skin color isn’t going to hide a past infractions - countless examples across all of sports to refute that claim.
Or the guy is a really bad interview, why isn’t that a possibility for you?
has something to do with the color of his skin. And the apparent fact that many rich white men who own football teams are uncomfortable hiring people of color as head coaches.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Oh please, just stop. These teams would love nothing more to be the face of diversity and inclusion. It helps with player relations, and public relations.
He hasnt been hired because the guy is a glorified position coach with a history of being drunk and or unstable. No one minds if you have a few beers, but if you end up getting arrested that signals bad judgement and/or poor impulse control. Two red flags when hiring a top executive.
has something to do with the color of his skin. And the apparent fact that many rich white men who own football teams are uncomfortable hiring people of color as head coaches.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Oh for fucks sake. Take your bullshit somewhere else
In the AFC the last four years. They’re doing something right over there.
Poles is a former Olineman and they just rebuilt their entire line in 1 offseason using minimum-moderate resources. Have to believe he was a big part of that.
Bienemy’s real problem are those rape allegations related
To U Colorado recruiting. There’s no way he would pass muster with most team’s owners. I myself would have a big problem with him if the Giants hired him.
Is the fact that Bienemy keeps being short listed and rejected because NFL teams only do thorough background checks after initial interviews?
RE: RE: KC has been either the number 1 or number 2 seed
In the AFC the last four years. They’re doing something right over there.
Poles is a former Olineman and they just rebuilt their entire line in 1 offseason using minimum-moderate resources. Have to believe he was a big part of that.
I know there are several reasons to be interested in Poles but one of them may be an attempt to fix our long-standing problem with OL scouting.
Am I being delirious or are the owners starting to act like intelligent managers? Maybe I’m high or something.
RE: Bienemy’s real problem are those rape allegations related
To U Colorado recruiting. There’s no way he would pass muster with most team’s owners. I myself would have a big problem with him if the Giants hired him.
Is the fact that Bienemy keeps being short listed and rejected because NFL teams only do thorough background checks after initial interviews?
Rooney Rule gets him interviews, but seeing as that is Reid’s O and Reid calling plays they want to see that he is more than Nagy and he isn’t.
a HC in training. As stated previously, we need someone with HC experience. Between Mcadoo, Shurmur and Judge, experimements with 1st time HC's all failed.
I get what you're saying but many from the Shanahan tree has been successful recently, many of the top coaches are offensive guru's. If we can grab one of them, it won't be a bad idea.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
While it needs to be looked into, it was roughly 20 years ago. I would hope he has changed and is now a man who could be trusted as a Coach, Father and Husband.
But, if his past is too scary I get it. If there are any doubts then yes, he should be removed from consideration.
The concern is both have been so fortunate to construct an offense around great, great QBs. Such a luxury when Mahomes and Allen can go off-script. I have no idea how to gauge if either could develop a young QB if we go that direction.
[quote] don’t see it with Bienemy. Either the background is terrible or he stinks I’m interviews, possibly both. Very odd that even an endorsement from Reid can’t seal the deal for him. [/quote
Bienemy has pretty well chronicled issues during his time at Colorado. And I think he had a drinking issue recently at KC, too.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
Shurmur wasn't a first time head coach.
So we say no to Daboll if Schoen wants to replace Judge with him?
We need to sign this guy before someone else does.
We need to sign this guy before someone else does.
I like Flores but I prefer an offensive guru with a system.
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but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
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but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
I am probably ok with either but it doesn't much matter where Reid ends and Bieniemy begins. Can he install a system successfully? Can he recognize talent? Those are the two key questions.
In this day, it’s one thing to keep your job with this on your sheet. It’s another to get a new one as the head guy.
That said, Reid isn’t one to carry dead weight. And the offensive coincidentally or not, talent or not, has done really well with him as the OC.
What Flores was able to do with Miami is amazing. Their roster ishonestly not much better than ours, both probably 7-8 win teams talent-wise. Whereas Judge managed to lose us 3-4 games we shouldve won all by himself, Flores ended up with 3-4 or wins than would have been expected. He also let Graham come here and didn't miss a beat. Their defense improved. Not a case where he's riding his co-ordinators.
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but I want no part of Bieniemy. It's Reid's offense and they are absolutely loaded with talent. He might be good in the executive role, but his resume does nothing to support that notion.
With Daboll at least you're getting an offensive mind who really maximized a high ceiling, low floor QB.
So because he's worked for Reid, he's not a good HC candidate? Does EB need to leave KC to work for someone other than Andy to be able to show he's worthy of a HC gig? Hell Andy actually has a decent coaching tree, yet the other candidates are hired and EB not so much.
For working for Reid? No. But typically coordinators are looked at for Head jobs because the side of the ball they are responsible for excelled as a result of their coaching and preparedness. If you're fan of Bieniemy, where does Reid's influence and scheme end and Bieniemy's begin? If they got a new offensive coordinator, would that guy struggle with how to deploy Mahommes, Hill, Kelce etc.? Likewise for Tampa: is Byron Leftwich the secret to their offensive success, or is Bruce Arians, Brady, Evans, Gronk, etc.
There are more intriguing candidates. Daboll is one of them as that offense is all his and you can argue he has drastically improved their best player.
Why do teams keep hiring New England assistants for the HC position. After all New England is all about Little Bill but his assistants keep getting HC gigs. That's because you hope when you hire Little Bill assistants that they will bring with them some of that New England know how, they are capable and knows how to build a team and be successful. And that's the reason you hire Leftwich, Bieniemy or Daboll.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Watson wanted Flores.
Watson will be suspended for x# of games if the legal stuff gets resolved the next 6 months.
If Flores can live with DW then he might be Texans bound.
Musical chairs fun time.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Well there are other minority HCs so yeah, kinda dumb to pull the race card. And in this age of information your skin color isn’t going to hide a past infractions - countless examples across all of sports to refute that claim.
Or the guy is a really bad interview, why isn’t that a possibility for you?
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Oh please, just stop. These teams would love nothing more to be the face of diversity and inclusion. It helps with player relations, and public relations.
He hasnt been hired because the guy is a glorified position coach with a history of being drunk and or unstable. No one minds if you have a few beers, but if you end up getting arrested that signals bad judgement and/or poor impulse control. Two red flags when hiring a top executive.
As for problems his past or rumors of recent drinking, do you really believe that all of the young white college coaches in their young 30s who are being hired as pro-football head coaches have been choirboys all of their lives.
Oh for fucks sake. Take your bullshit somewhere else
Poles is a former Olineman and they just rebuilt their entire line in 1 offseason using minimum-moderate resources. Have to believe he was a big part of that.
Is the fact that Bienemy keeps being short listed and rejected because NFL teams only do thorough background checks after initial interviews?
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In the AFC the last four years. They’re doing something right over there.
Poles is a former Olineman and they just rebuilt their entire line in 1 offseason using minimum-moderate resources. Have to believe he was a big part of that.
I know there are several reasons to be interested in Poles but one of them may be an attempt to fix our long-standing problem with OL scouting.
Am I being delirious or are the owners starting to act like intelligent managers? Maybe I’m high or something.
Is the fact that Bienemy keeps being short listed and rejected because NFL teams only do thorough background checks after initial interviews?
Rooney Rule gets him interviews, but seeing as that is Reid’s O and Reid calling plays they want to see that he is more than Nagy and he isn’t.
I get what you're saying but many from the Shanahan tree has been successful recently, many of the top coaches are offensive guru's. If we can grab one of them, it won't be a bad idea.
In this day, it’s one thing to keep your job with this on your sheet. It’s another to get a new one as the head guy.
That said, Reid isn’t one to carry dead weight. And the offensive coincidentally or not, talent or not, has done really well with him as the OC.
How is this different from Gase and the Broncos?