Backup RT getting toasted play after play by Maxx Crosby. OL was being abused. Pressure everytime he dropped back. Took numerous big hits. Receivers dropping balls. Ineffective run game.
Yet, with all those offensive woes, he put team on his shoulders and almost won a game where they were clearly outplayed by their opponents.
QB is the most important position in sports and a great one can cover up a lot of offensive deficiencies / inferior talent.
Sorry DJ apologists, if Herbert was on the Giants, his superior talent would still jump off the screen and be obvious to all.
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when Herbert was a rookie he had the highest QBR in the NFL under pressure. So he can handle adversity and doesn't need everything to be pristine.
How great was he last night on 4th down??
He's brilliant and only 23.
When I watch Herbert and Allen play and my envy soars.
What impressed me was his composure. That's what all the great QBs have.
He has that in spades. Some of those throws last night with the game down to the last play - about 10X - were extraordinary. Fitting the ball into tight windows with serious pace and accuracy.
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I am not responding to this as a Jones apologist, though I will likely be labeled as such and summarily dismissed because of what I am going to say.
Herbert's talent is self evident. However, I think DJ is closer than you likely think. Biggest difference to my eye was decisiveness. In my opinion, that comes from coaching and confidence. If anyone is criticized on ball security and coached continuously on ball security, they will become tentative.
I can't remember the quote but I do remember Parcels on sideline saying he wanted Simms to take chances even if he throws a pick. My impression based on my observation of the results is that Jones is getting the opposite feedback, to his detriment.
Jones doesn't compare to Herbert in many regards. Pocket awareness and presence. Decision-making. Progressions. Movement. But the biggest difference is arm talent. You see that right? Herbert throws lasers on 30 yard outs. The best way to put it is, the way Jones throws 10 yard passes, Herbert throws 30 yard passes. Herbert throws 45 yard passes the way most QBs throw 20 yard passes. His arm talent is unreal, and is an incredible advantage.
Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
It's not an exaggeration. I'm not saying it is three times better. It is vastly superior. I have watched most of his throws in the NFL throws. I suggest you watch more clips. He throws 50 yard lasers with much less air than any other QB in the league. And he is doing that all over the field. His 30 yard passes look so easy and effortless it is astonishing, and literally looks like a Jones 10 to 15 yard pass.
This team will sick even if they get a QB by some miracle until they find a GM who knows is shit and they let him do his job without interference
Sadly they get FA wrong even more than the draft. Brady and Mahomes would lose here as stands
Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
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Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
I think Herbert has the best arm in the league, better than Allen. Possibly the best arm ever. I think the zip on intermediate and long throws is stunning.
I am not a DG fan for obvious reasons. But the reports were indicating that he really liked Herbert after his Junior year. Herbert opted to return to Oregon for his senior season.
The question here is who really picked Jones? Did DG like Jones or did the Mara influence come in and push to pick the next Eli, Cutcliffe ties, etc.?
It’s also possible DG wanted Herbert, could draft him in 2019 and panic picked Jones to fit a QB need. We’ll never know.
I think Herbert has the best arm in the league, better than Allen. Possibly the best arm ever. I think the zip on intermediate and long throws is stunning.
He's in the conversation. That throw against us on that 60+ yard TD was, IMV, the throw of the year.
Allen doesn't throw as pretty of a ball as Herbert. But his pace is right there with Elway, who had the strongest arm I've seen.
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Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
Whatever, if it makes you feel better. There is nothing wrong (or more believable) if you simply say his arm is better.
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I think Herbert has the best arm in the league, better than Allen. Possibly the best arm ever. I think the zip on intermediate and long throws is stunning.
He's in the conversation. That throw against us on that 60+ yard TD was, IMV, the throw of the year.
Allen doesn't throw as pretty of a ball as Herbert. But his pace is right there with Elway, who had the strongest arm I've seen.
That TD at the end of the first half against us was a helluva throw but I think the throw vs Dallas is the throw of the year. It's 50 yards but it is across the field so it is at least 60 yds and there is little arc and he still is able to drop it in between two defenders. I think this is an astonishing throw. Link below. And Jones certainly can't make it, and I'm not sure Mahomes or Rodgers could, I guess they might, but they probably wouldn't attempt it.
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Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
I think Herbert has the best arm in the league, better than Allen. Possibly the best arm ever. I think the zip on intermediate and long throws is stunning.
I like Herbert, but let’s pump the brakes a bit. “Possibly the best arm ever.” He’s played two seasons. Let’s see a little more of this guy before we start anointing him as a legend.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
Whatever, if it makes you feel better. There is nothing wrong (or more believable) if you simply say his arm is better.
I'll let it go because this is so subjective, but Herbert's arm talent is elite. It's fun to watch him at his craft.
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Herbert is far better than Jones in every aspect. But please, don't exaggerate the arm strength. Yes it is better, it is not 3 times better.
The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
I think Herbert has the best arm in the league, better than Allen. Possibly the best arm ever. I think the zip on intermediate and long throws is stunning.
I like Herbert, but let’s pump the brakes a bit. “Possibly the best arm ever.” He’s played two seasons. Let’s see a little more of this guy before we start anointing him as a legend.
He's a legend already. He has physical gifts that are unlikely to wane for at least 15 years. You have Romo, Aikman, Warner, Young, literally gushing. He's there dude. Just appreciate it.
Focus efforts on the 2023 draft when our new GM will be picking his next QB. A QB who will have his blindside protected by the guy we drafted in 2020, Andrew Thomas (assumes the QB of the future is right handed lol).
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
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The arm talent overall is probably 3X.
Whatever, if it makes you feel better. There is nothing wrong (or more believable) if you simply say his arm is better.
I'll let it go because this is so subjective, but Herbert's arm talent is elite. It's fun to watch him at his craft.
You'll let it go? WTF does that mean. Is he as good as Rodgers?
Too bad he went back to Oregon to get no where a CFP.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
He could do it. He has thrown 62 yards flat-footed.
I'll let it go because this is so subjective, but Herbert's arm talent is elite. It's fun to watch him at his craft.
You'll let it go? WTF does that mean. Is he as good as Rodgers?
Too bad he went back to Oregon to get no where a CFP.
Yes, Herbert has arm talent on par with Rodgers. Not as good of a QB (yet), but the sky is the limit.
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
He could do it. He has thrown 62 yards flat-footed.
Are you Herbert’s Dad lol? He can do it. Come on Justin! Show Jim how far you can throw a football! I love you son!
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
He could do it. He has thrown 62 yards flat-footed.
I've seen that video, and that's a very creative definition of flat-footed.
He can't. And you're ignoring plenty of eye-popping frozen ropes Allen has made, and not just because he plays in Buffalo.
Again out of every prospect in the combine from 2008-2020 who tested for throw velocity, Allen had the biggest arm, throwing 62 mph. The 2nd best was 60 mph, and Herbert came in at 55 mph.
Herbert has a big arm, it's definitely a top 5 arm in the NFL. Allen has clearly the biggest arm in the NFL. You're in denial.
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
He could do it. He has thrown 62 yards flat-footed.
Are you Herbert’s Dad lol? He can do it. Come on Justin! Show Jim how far you can throw a football! I love you son!
LMAO
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Herbert's talent is self evident. However, I think DJ is closer than you likely think. Biggest difference to my eye was decisiveness. In my opinion, that comes from coaching and confidence. If anyone is criticized on ball security and coached continuously on ball security, they will become tentative.
I can't remember the quote but I do remember Parcels on sideline saying he wanted Simms to take chances even if he throws a pick. My impression based on my observation of the results is that Jones is getting the opposite feedback, to his detriment.
I disagree that Jones has anywhere near Herbert's ability.
The critical difference is that under pressure, when the play is falling apart, elite quarterbacks make the right decision and find an an open receiver, scramble and throw on the run or throw it away. Its like time slows down for them. With DJ, it seem like time speeds up, he panics and makes a mistake.
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I am not responding to this as a Jones apologist, though I will likely be labeled as such and summarily dismissed because of what I am going to say.
Herbert's talent is self evident. However, I think DJ is closer than you likely think. Biggest difference to my eye was decisiveness. In my opinion, that comes from coaching and confidence. If anyone is criticized on ball security and coached continuously on ball security, they will become tentative.
I can't remember the quote but I do remember Parcels on sideline saying he wanted Simms to take chances even if he throws a pick. My impression based on my observation of the results is that Jones is getting the opposite feedback, to his detriment.
I disagree that Jones has anywhere near Herbert's ability.
The critical difference is that under pressure, when the play is falling apart, elite quarterbacks make the right decision and find an an open receiver, scramble and throw on the run or throw it away. Its like time slows down for them. With DJ, it seem like time speeds up, he panics and makes a mistake.
yes, Daniel does make a lot of mistakes under pressure, as if the game is going fast for him.
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That is an uninformed opinion.
Allen set a record at the combine with a 62 mph throw. He also threw a football more than 66 mph at the Senior Bowl.
Some believe Allen can throw it 90, even 100 yards in the air.
Allen has the biggest arm in the NFL. Herbert is very good, but it would be between he and Mahomes for 2nd biggest arm in the NFL, nobody's touching Allen's shoulder cannon.
I respect Allen's arm but Herbert is better in every regard. I don't care what happened in the combine. Herbert can throw further with lower arc than Allen. And what I especially like about Herbert's arm is that it has a late action that enables him to drop a laser into the pocket. Allen can't do that. I forget who was talking about Herbert's release (Aikman or Romo) but he has a torque to his release like a pitcher and he can make his balls dip with more action than most QBs.
No he cannot. You are literally making that up. Show me the film where Herbert can unvork an 80 yarder. You can't. But I can show you Allen throwing it 80 yards in the air.
I"m a fan of Herbert, but he's a tick or two behind Allen in terms if arm strength. I'm not saying he's a better or worse QB, but Herbert simply isn't on Allen's level in arm strength, and I don't think anyone is.
He could do it. He has thrown 62 yards flat-footed.
I've seen that video, and that's a very creative definition of flat-footed.
He can't. And you're ignoring plenty of eye-popping frozen ropes Allen has made, and not just because he plays in Buffalo.
Again out of every prospect in the combine from 2008-2020 who tested for throw velocity, Allen had the biggest arm, throwing 62 mph. The 2nd best was 60 mph, and Herbert came in at 55 mph.
Herbert has a big arm, it's definitely a top 5 arm in the NFL. Allen has clearly the biggest arm in the NFL. You're in denial.
it's much better than top-5. But you are entitled to your opinion. Oh it was Cosell that talked about Herbert's release. And the extra torque he has on the ball. He says Herbert's throws sound different than everybody else's. Look for the action on his throws, on video or next season.
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Yeah, that's what it is.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
I have no idea how you leave Allen off this list.
Chargers need to work on their OL, get another weapon or two on offense to help Ekeler and Allen, and improve their run defense. It's also a young team learning how to win big games in the NFL, and they stumbled down the stretch. Staley needs to calm himself down too with the gambles on 4th down, ffs.
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not counting rookies.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
I have no idea how you leave Allen off this list.
Because he’s not at that level.
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How can anyone actually come to the conclusion that THIS is the difference between Herbert and Jones, and actually believe this?????? It's mind blowing
Its amazing the mental gymnastics undertaken to justify Jones. He is nowhere near the quality talent of Herbert, or Allen, for that matter. Jones is a bottom 5 NFL starting qb, if not a backup. The Giants would be significantly better offense with Herbert or Allen under center. Nothing more than a classic example of BBIers who don't watch football outside of the Giants.
The only fanbase in the NFL where you will hear Herbert and Jones mentioned in the same sentence is BBI Giants world. Maybe you'll hear it organically mentioned when Jones is a backup to Herbert at some point in the future.
Peolple are never like - Yeah Justin Jefferson is good but if you put Darius Slayton in that environment, he wouldn't be far behind.
The Chargers aren't even our rivals in any way. Herbert is great and awesome to watch. Id recommend just trying to enjoy sports. Don't get yourselves bent out of shape because the Giants have a scrub who plays the same position.
Not amazing. Not a memorable play. But he beat the pass rush without thinking and gained about 10 yards. Knew what he was doing the whole time. If a lesser QB is in that situation he might get sacked or flustered by the rush. And everyone would say "see he's under pressure. He has no chance". And you've got a drive killer and a punt. "Nobody open. OL sucks. Nobody can succeed here."
But Herbert made a routine play for him. Avoided a negative play. Kept the drive moving. That kind of small, forgettable play - over and over again - is what creates value. That's how you move the ball, that's how he racks up yards and points.
Argument over, this definitely proves Daniel Jones is in the same stratosphere as Herbert and Allen. Hell, hes better.
Danny Dimes has thrown and run for 50 td's in 3 years and half of those came his rookie year.
Name of the game is to score td's. No risk it; no biscuit. With Danny Dimes, there definitely ain't no biscuit.
The Giants may be unwatchable but the game itself is still great.
Herbert would've been the opposite. It's that simple, and it's not focused on the lack of talent around Jones. Jones is part of the talent lacking.
Herbert would've been the opposite. It's that simple, and it's not focused on the lack of talent around Jones. Jones is part of the talent lacking.
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not counting rookies.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
I have no idea how you leave Allen off this list.
Allen
Stafford
Wilson
Dak
Watson
are also in the elite group, or near elite.
The point is not that the Giants should have drafted Herbert (if they had, it would have been a radical but genius move) but rath that after watching Herbert's star performance under severe pressure its so obvious that Giants need to stop making excuses and move on from DJ.
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He wasn't talky on the table for us. We had Jones off a decent rookie year. Herbert is irrelevant.
The point is not that the Giants should have drafted Herbert (if they had, it would have been a radical but genius move) but rath that after watching Herbert's star performance under severe pressure its so obvious that Giants need to stop making excuses and move on from DJ.
... and they should have drafted Herbert even though they had Jones in the fold. Not drafting him simply because they still had to evaluate Jones, was a horrific decision.
Herbert is extremely relevant in evaluating Jones against his peers, and there's absolutely no comparing the two.
Daniel Jones is never going to be THAT guy. He's just a guy, and that's not even a knock. Playing QB at a high level in the NFL is extremely difficult, if we're being generous, there are maybe 10-12 people in the entire world who are capable of it. Daniel Jones is not one of those 10-12 people.
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Excepting Watson, they are in my group just below.
Herbert was being chased out of the pocket all night, several times the Raiders got a hand on him and he still made a throw, usually a decent throw. Josh Allen hasn't had to deal with that at Buffalo and I don't believe he would handle it as well as Herbert.
And regarding the post above that compares stats between Herbert and Allen, I'm sorry but you really have to look beyond stats and just watch them play.
No disprespect to Allen, good quarterback, but not in my opinion at the same level as my stated elite group.
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not counting rookies.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
I have no idea how you leave Allen off this list.
Allen
Stafford
Wilson
Dak
Watson
are also in the elite group, or near elite.
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Excepting Watson, they are in my group just below.
Herbert was being chased out of the pocket all night, several times the Raiders got a hand on him and he still made a throw, usually a decent throw. Josh Allen hasn't had to deal with that at Buffalo and I don't believe he would handle it as well as Herbert.
And regarding the post above that compares stats between Herbert and Allen, I'm sorry but you really have to look beyond stats and just watch them play.
No disprespect to Allen, good quarterback, but not in my opinion at the same level as my stated elite group.
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not counting rookies.
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow.
DeShaun Watson potentially is in this group, but his current situation excludes him from consideration.
There's about five more after this who are very good, who you would be more than happy to have in your team, but I just think they are just below the above group.
What's interesting is that ten years of drafting has produced so few elite or very good quarterbacks.
I have no idea how you leave Allen off this list.
Allen
Stafford
Wilson
Dak
Watson
are also in the elite group, or near elite.
Allen and Jackson are both better then Herbert and both have put their teams in the playoff their second year in the league, as did Burrow.Watson and Wilson are also better. Dak isn’t in that top group, Herbert is better than him.