Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
Will know more about Hutchinson after the combine and after Sy weighs in.
Thibodeaux scares me. In the games I watched with him he "almost" gets there. There's a big difference between almost getting there and getting there. Getting there means you got there with time to spare. Not getting there means you consistently need more time. That's my theory, but as always what do I know.
I only watched a couple of Karflalitis' games and didn't pay attention to him. Again, combine and Sy.
I watched all of Andrew Booth's games. He's great. And he played great in the bowl game this year. But if we take a CB he better be Prime Time. I would have loved to see him matched up on Jameson Williams for a full game.
Again, not a scout.
My thinking is we're going to stink for a while. We need to collect talent, the best players we can get. The guys most likely to stick and be pro bowlers and all pros. Anything else is by definition suboptimal.
I didn't comment on Stingley because I didn't pay attention to
If the Giants go defense with both the 5th and 7th picks I would hope it would be front 7 picks. Want players who pressure the qb and, if linebacker, have elite coverage skills and can offset a good pass catching te and rush the passer.
Shorten the time an opposing offense has to execute a play and allow our secondary to make a move.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
but this team is DISMAL on offense. much more the case to draft two impact offensive players. as being a clear improvement to the team. any pick other than lt will be an improvement over a current starter.
Within the framework of positional value. That makes it tough to take an OC, ILB, S, or non pass rush dominant DT.
Assuming Hutchinson and Kayvon are gone, the two defenders that interest me in the top 10 are Ojabo and Stingley. Not as big on Hamilton as others, personally.
Most underrated defender as of right now for me is USC DE/OLB Drake Jackson.
Trevor Penning and Bernhard Raimann are huge, powerful OTs that might also be 1st round picks.
I pray that Penning somehow drops to our 2nd rounder. I’m sure he won’t…but man I want that beast to be our RT for the next decade. He’s gonna be a stud, but coming into the league projected as a RT, so maybe we get lucky.
If not I’m hoping Darian Kinnard from Kentucky. He can be a good RT, but IMO he can be an elite RG… I’ll take Evan Neal at 5 and The Greek freak at 7, then Darian Kinnard with our 2nd rounder? That would be 6’7 360lbs (Neal) at RT and 6’5 340 lbs (Kinnard) at RG…. That’s one helluva Rightside…..and both are athletic as hell, not big plodders…
And I’m really warming to Karlaftis…. We need to regain control of the line of scrimmage before we do anything else. That means OL and DL/EDGE/LB heavy in this draft.. The thing about Karlaftis is he is a seasoned, well rounded player that is the top power rusher in this class and plays the run equally well. He has a toolbox full of pass rush moves and while not “bendy” and “twitchy”, he destroys the offense’s game plan every week. He’s Justin Smith from back in the day with the Bengals. Now that is New York Giants type of player we need to re-establish! Bash your head in and keep coming back to rinse and repeat.
There are so many good players in this draft… I’m stoked to see who we get…
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
I’m just tired of seeing our LBs not able to shed blocks and make tackles. I get what you’re saying about Deans size,( more his weight than height) but he’s fast and looks like a damn good player, and is a super smart man as well. I’ve seen him ranked in the 10-12 range so I don’t think liking him at 10 is out of line.
for us the year. Perfect year to get our lines fixed first and foremost. Must establish the foundation in a rebuild and make no mistake, thus is a rebuild.
I like the prospects on defense better than the OL prospects
Two things to consider with the OL and NYG : I doubt the Giants pick an OG or OC in the top 7 of this draft, given the talent available on defense, so that leaves the OTs. Neal is worth the pick, going to need to see more of Cross and figure out if Green or Ike can play OT in the NFL. If they cannot, it lowers their value for me.
So, it could be two very good OL prospects in the mix, but a few of the others dropping if projected to OG. I expect NYG to grab defense with at least one of their picks.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
I’m just tired of seeing our LBs not able to shed blocks and make tackles. I get what you’re saying about Deans size,( more his weight than height) but he’s fast and looks like a damn good player, and is a super smart man as well. I’ve seen him ranked in the 10-12 range so I don’t think liking him at 10 is out of line.
Eman11 has it right here with Dean. A little bit light isn't enough of a factor in his game which is great speed, range, recognition.
He can go sideline to sideline, cover with good range and bring pressure on QB in a split second. His defensive prowess has improved the most this season as he knows where the offense is going to attack and gets him and his teammates to that spot. Superb prospect and I think right there on the cusp of top 10...
but if the defensive prospects are looking like better NFL pro's, you pick them. UFA also happens before the draft. A bad football team shouldn't rush to spend valuable draft picks while locked onto specific positions if the talent doesn't match up.
RE: My last mock 4 round draft.. ill be doing this a lot
skills with him. Because this franchise and their prior GMs had no idea what they were doing with respect to Offensive Linemen (amongst other positions as well), college and pros.
The OL requires investment, and more specifically draft investment because of the cap situation. With that said, a crappy roster means you pick the best players, or navigate the board appropriately to match up your picks with highest value.
Plenty of opportunities in this draft to get better quickly...
Determination of who is BPA to be made by a new GM, coach, and scouts, with NO INTERFERENCE from the Maras.
this is how and why Reese was selecting DBs and WRs too early
You can never pick BPA too early unless it's a completely undervalued position like RB.
Reese was selecting DB's and WR's too early, because he thought he was drafting BPA, but got it wrong.
Getting pick wrong when drafting BPA, doesn't mean you shouldn't draft BPA again. It means you should look at the people and processes in the building making the decisions to determine BPA.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
The future of this coaching staff is tenuous, at best. It’s not smart to focus too much on schemes when evaluating the draft. Pick the best players
Some of the positions you feel may need to be addressed may happen during that time period. We all know that we have basically 4 OL positions to fill for next year. 1 or 2 may be filled from players coming back from injury but if we do not fix the OL during FA then 2 of our 1st 3 picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds must be used to OL.
Some of the positions you feel may need to be addressed may happen during that time period. We all know that we have basically 4 OL positions to fill for next year. 1 or 2 may be filled from players coming back from injury but if we do not fix the OL during FA then 2 of our 1st 3 picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds must be used to OL.
#5: BPA.
#7: BPA.
Determination of who is BPA to be made by a new GM, coach, and scouts, with NO INTERFERENCE from the Maras.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
But, let the new GM handle that. Hopefully whomever has a plan to rebuild the team and not plug holes.
David Ojabo, Edge, Michigan
Nakobe Dean, LB, Georgia
What do you think Kansas City would do to these defenses?
Where do you put Georgia's QB on the All_-Time Greatest QB List?
I guess when you lose your two top WR's like Alabama has, that might change things, don't you think?
Will know more about Hutchinson after the combine and after Sy weighs in.
Thibodeaux scares me. In the games I watched with him he "almost" gets there. There's a big difference between almost getting there and getting there. Getting there means you got there with time to spare. Not getting there means you consistently need more time. That's my theory, but as always what do I know.
I only watched a couple of Karflalitis' games and didn't pay attention to him. Again, combine and Sy.
I watched all of Andrew Booth's games. He's great. And he played great in the bowl game this year. But if we take a CB he better be Prime Time. I would have loved to see him matched up on Jameson Williams for a full game.
Again, not a scout.
My thinking is we're going to stink for a while. We need to collect talent, the best players we can get. The guys most likely to stick and be pro bowlers and all pros. Anything else is by definition suboptimal.
I should have mentioned Lloyd. He really jumped off the screen.
Kenyon Green. OG
Ikem Okwanu OG
With three second round picks
Trayvon Walker
Jermaine Johnson
Trey McBride
With two third round picks
Jarrett Paterson Center
Brian Robinson RB
Shorten the time an opposing offense has to execute a play and allow our secondary to make a move.
#5: BPA.
#7: BPA.
Determination of who is BPA to be made by a new GM, coach, and scouts, with NO INTERFERENCE from the Maras.
this is how and why Reese was selecting DBs and WRs too early
Kenyon Green. OG
Ikem Okwanu OG
With three second round picks
Trayvon Walker
Jermaine Johnson
Trey McBride
With two third round picks
Jarrett Paterson Center
Brian Robinson RB
Patterson is returning to ND
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
Assuming Hutchinson and Kayvon are gone, the two defenders that interest me in the top 10 are Ojabo and Stingley. Not as big on Hamilton as others, personally.
Most underrated defender as of right now for me is USC DE/OLB Drake Jackson.
But, let the new GM handle that. Hopefully whomever has a plan to rebuild the team and not plug holes.
Neither of those guys are at GA or AL though. Seems like there's some first round talent tonight.
I pray that Penning somehow drops to our 2nd rounder. I’m sure he won’t…but man I want that beast to be our RT for the next decade. He’s gonna be a stud, but coming into the league projected as a RT, so maybe we get lucky.
If not I’m hoping Darian Kinnard from Kentucky. He can be a good RT, but IMO he can be an elite RG… I’ll take Evan Neal at 5 and The Greek freak at 7, then Darian Kinnard with our 2nd rounder? That would be 6’7 360lbs (Neal) at RT and 6’5 340 lbs (Kinnard) at RG…. That’s one helluva Rightside…..and both are athletic as hell, not big plodders…
And I’m really warming to Karlaftis…. We need to regain control of the line of scrimmage before we do anything else. That means OL and DL/EDGE/LB heavy in this draft.. The thing about Karlaftis is he is a seasoned, well rounded player that is the top power rusher in this class and plays the run equally well. He has a toolbox full of pass rush moves and while not “bendy” and “twitchy”, he destroys the offense’s game plan every week. He’s Justin Smith from back in the day with the Bengals. Now that is New York Giants type of player we need to re-establish! Bash your head in and keep coming back to rinse and repeat.
There are so many good players in this draft… I’m stoked to see who we get…
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Hamilton if he’s there at 5.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
I’m just tired of seeing our LBs not able to shed blocks and make tackles. I get what you’re saying about Deans size,( more his weight than height) but he’s fast and looks like a damn good player, and is a super smart man as well. I’ve seen him ranked in the 10-12 range so I don’t think liking him at 10 is out of line.
I'd take that kid next year too even over a QB.
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that Anderson can't enter the draft.
I'd take that kid next year too even over a QB.
He’s special fo sho
5.Evan Neal
OT Alabama
NYG
Traded down to 12 picked up 48 and 120
Tyler Linderbaum
OC Iowa
NYG
36.Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State
NYG
48.
Christian Harris
LB Alabama
NYG
67.Desmond Ridder
QB Cincinnati
NYG
81.Wan'Dale Robinson
WR Kentucky
oL
oL
oL
oL
oL
oL......
And OL
It might take patience or we might get lucky and it happens faster than 3-4 years .... but, the game is won in the trenches.
So, it could be two very good OL prospects in the mix, but a few of the others dropping if projected to OG. I expect NYG to grab defense with at least one of their picks.
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Hamilton if he’s there at 5.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
I’m just tired of seeing our LBs not able to shed blocks and make tackles. I get what you’re saying about Deans size,( more his weight than height) but he’s fast and looks like a damn good player, and is a super smart man as well. I’ve seen him ranked in the 10-12 range so I don’t think liking him at 10 is out of line.
Eman11 has it right here with Dean. A little bit light isn't enough of a factor in his game which is great speed, range, recognition.
He can go sideline to sideline, cover with good range and bring pressure on QB in a split second. His defensive prowess has improved the most this season as he knows where the offense is going to attack and gets him and his teammates to that spot. Superb prospect and I think right there on the cusp of top 10...
"I know we desperately need OL help but..."
5.Evan Neal
OT Alabama
NYG
Traded down to 12 picked up 48 and 120
Tyler Linderbaum
OC Iowa
NYG
36.Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State
NYG
48.
Christian Harris
LB Alabama
NYG
67.Desmond Ridder
QB Cincinnati
NYG
81.Wan'Dale Robinson
WR Kentucky
where do i sign?
The OL requires investment, and more specifically draft investment because of the cap situation. With that said, a crappy roster means you pick the best players, or navigate the board appropriately to match up your picks with highest value.
Plenty of opportunities in this draft to get better quickly...
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choices:
#5: BPA.
#7: BPA.
Determination of who is BPA to be made by a new GM, coach, and scouts, with NO INTERFERENCE from the Maras.
this is how and why Reese was selecting DBs and WRs too early
You can never pick BPA too early unless it's a completely undervalued position like RB.
Reese was selecting DB's and WR's too early, because he thought he was drafting BPA, but got it wrong.
Getting pick wrong when drafting BPA, doesn't mean you shouldn't draft BPA again. It means you should look at the people and processes in the building making the decisions to determine BPA.
Giants need football player, and plentiful.
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Hamilton if he’s there at 5.
Wouldn’t mind Dean or Lloyd with the 7 either but might be a bit high for both. If we traded back to 10ish, Id be happy with one of them no question.
I know we desperately need OL help but I don’t want to reach if the value isn’t there and end up with another Flowers deal.
Hoping we make an OL signing in FA, and then use some of the next three picks there. With five in the top 79, we should be able to get blue chippers early and really good players on day 2. Hopefully adding up to five starters drafted plus the FA.
You do realize Nakobe Dean is 6’0 220 lbs right? And that’s with shoes on and soaking wet. I swear, people see a name and just cough it up. No offense bro… Georgia runs a 4-3 scheme…. He’s a 4-3 Will backer all day. But you’re gonna throw him him in our 3-4 D? Where does he play? And he’s a late 1st rounder bro… Devin Lloyd is also made for 4-3 defenses, but he is a helluva athlete and leader, so he may have the ability to mold into a more versatile fit scheme-wise. Even then, he’s going off most boards at 20 or so…. You want to use the 5th on a safety (albeit a special talent, but he won’t block for our QB) and the 7th over-all pick on a midget LB or a tweener LB (for our current scheme)with the 10th? Wait…. Is this Dave Getts? Bro, go play golf and smoke cigars in the sunset. Enjoy retirement!
The future of this coaching staff is tenuous, at best. It’s not smart to focus too much on schemes when evaluating the draft. Pick the best players
There isn’t much we can do in FA money-wise.