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How do you guys feel about how today went?

simgiant : 1/10/2022 9:53 pm
1) Happy
2) Neutral ( Wait and see)
3) Disappointed?

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Disappointed  
Giantophile : 1/10/2022 10:01 pm : link
After seeing this entire season but particularly the last 6 weeks unfold there was really only one conclusion to draw.

Even though it remains in limbo this really should have been a decisive move. No leadership and no plan.
It could of been better  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/10/2022 10:03 pm : link
But it seems like the new GM will pick the coach, so that’s all we can ask for.
Neutral  
cjac : 1/10/2022 10:03 pm : link
Nothing really happened yet

The new GM will most likely fire Judge

That’s my gut feeling
Neutral. My feeling is now based on the thread title by Producer  
markky : 1/10/2022 10:04 pm : link
"Face It. We root for dummies". Until the FO proves otherwise, this is how I feel.

I think he nailed it.
It wasn't bad at all...  
EricJ : 1/10/2022 10:05 pm : link
lets put it all into perspective.

1. This is the first day after the last game of the season
2. We are done with Gettleman
3. It looks like we are interviewing a few interesting GM candidates
4. Mara has not committed to bringing Judge back yet. There simply has been no decision. This is not a bad thing at this point if he is allowing the new GM to weigh in.

So, the only way this is a bad day is if you for some reason NEEDED Judge to get fired TODAY.
Flores was fired  
5BowlsSoon : 1/10/2022 10:05 pm : link
But Judge wasn’t.

GO FIGURE….

2 QB SNEAKS….AND ONE 11 minute stupid rant….

Enough is enough….
Neutral  
Sean : 1/10/2022 10:06 pm : link
Best thing is Abrams is not reported to get the GM job and Gettleman is out of the building.
Concern that Giants "started" today on requesting interviews  
George from PA : 1/10/2022 10:07 pm : link
I hope that it just came out today and they started 2 weeks ago.

Judge should be a GM call. Not sure if having Judge might turn some GM off...but list looks decent, at least they are removing internal options and going to successful external choices.

I do not know enough....so will feel good when I see results.

Very pleased the 10 year curse has expired
Neutral  
US1 Giants : 1/10/2022 10:09 pm : link
Judge seems like he is on thin ice but not gone yet. I will also wait and see who they hire as GM and how much power he has.
I started at 3  
Joe Beckwith : 1/10/2022 10:10 pm : link
But the Abrams announcement got me to 2, since we don’t know if the GM will be a GM or just another ‘Ok Boss’ to what the clan want, and keep Judge.
Neutral  
JB_in_DC : 1/10/2022 10:11 pm : link
They need to nail the GM hire. If they build something real I can half-ignore a season of lame-duck. Time will tell.
fascinated  
bluefin : 1/10/2022 10:11 pm : link
this is a lot like 1978
For the people who wanted Judge fired today...  
EricJ : 1/10/2022 10:12 pm : link
you DONT want Mara making any of these decisions even if you would happen to agree with it.
Neutral  
Mike in NY : 1/10/2022 10:15 pm : link
Disappointed that we didn’t fire Joe Judge, but it looks like we are putting feelers out to the right people for the GM spot and not Ernie Accorsi’s Rolodex (which is down to Riddick, Pioli, and Dimitroff at this point)
Disappointed...  
bw in dc : 1/10/2022 10:18 pm : link
This stay of execution for Judge is preposterous. I'm really stunned this is possibly still being deliberated.

Neutral  
Devour the Day : 1/10/2022 10:19 pm : link
But cautiously hopeful.
Let’s see what transpired over the next month or so.
3)  
Trainmaster : 1/10/2022 10:21 pm : link
Judge is still employed.
Neutral  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2022 10:23 pm : link
I was disappointed until I saw all the GM candidates that the Giants want to interview which gave me some hope.
You've heard of the rope-a-dope?  
ghost718 : 1/10/2022 10:23 pm : link
That's what it could be.Not really buying the new GM has the power to fire Judge.Maybe in a few days when the smoke clears,they'll attempt to announce Judge is staying.

When you see a decision this easy met with hesitancy,it might not be a good sign.
RE: It wasn't bad at all...  
simgiant : 1/10/2022 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15544647 EricJ said:
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lets put it all into perspective.

1. This is the first day after the last game of the season
2. We are done with Gettleman
3. It looks like we are interviewing a few interesting GM candidates
4. Mara has not committed to bringing Judge back yet. There simply has been no decision. This is not a bad thing at this point if he is allowing the new GM to weigh in.

So, the only way this is a bad day is if you for some reason NEEDED Judge to get fired TODAY.


Yeah I agree although disappointed that it does not seem they have a clear plan. Maybe they do and the media coverage makes it look like they don't.
Could have been better but could have been worse  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/10/2022 10:26 pm : link
I would have liked Judge to be fired but reports have come out saying it will be up to the GM and I also like some of the names being discussed for the Giants GM job. Especially the news of Abrams not being a candidate. As of today there is some optimism.
Well I like the fact  
moespree : 1/10/2022 10:26 pm : link
That Accorsi won't be involved this time. I don't need anymore would be GMs having to present Ernie with history lessons on the 1972 Baltimore Colts and why their backup left guard was underrated.
Neutral  
larryflower37 : 1/10/2022 10:34 pm : link
It's a start but they need to make good decisions going forward.
Can't let them off the hook they need to follow through and revamp the organization.
Hire a solid GM, revamp the personal department, move on from Judge, draft well, clean up the cap. hire a competent coaching staff.
A lot of work and a ton of checkpoints, not a lot of room for mistakes or back peddling.
Happy  
cosmicj : 1/10/2022 10:37 pm : link
Everything I heard was positive.

Cautiously optimistic. Let’s nail this GM hire. They have a real list of candidates with a bunch of real professionals included. Not a single one induced a snigger.
Been waiting for the post Gettleman era for three years  
V.I.G. : 1/10/2022 10:42 pm : link
Nothing can ruin this day for me
Wary of being set up  
JonC : 1/10/2022 10:43 pm : link
but on paper a good start.
Disillusioned Apathy  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/10/2022 11:06 pm : link
.
I am cautiously pleased about the afternoon/ evening  
Jerry in_DC : 1/10/2022 11:10 pm : link
The front office is more important than the Judge decision. Judge will get fired eventually and we're not contending next year. My priorities are

1 - Get a real GM who seems smart and effective
2 - Remove Chris, Tim and the other dead weight
3 - Fire Judge

If we do 1 and 2, I will be very happy
The Judge stuff makes me uncomfortable  
NoGainDayne : 1/10/2022 11:16 pm : link
I wish they'd have brought in someone from the Browns, Ravens and Colts as well (although we did hear Dodds would be unwilling)

I'd really like to see them at least talk to Harbaugh as he's the guy who I think could turn around this whole thing the fastest.
Wait and see  
Bill in UT : 1/10/2022 11:21 pm : link
Despite some comments today that could mean something or nothing, there is no hard proof that the Mara family and cronies are removing themselves from personnel/scouting and football operations, which is necessary for the team to make real progress.
Horrible. This organization is a mess  
blueblood : 1/10/2022 11:26 pm : link
and I have ZERO confidence in it.
Wait  
darren in pdx : 1/10/2022 11:31 pm : link
and see at the moment. The report of Judge being retained gave me hopelessness, but was happy when it turned out to not be the case. Abrahams being confirmed as not a potential hire is good news. The list of GM candidates are all the ones most seemed to hope for. The fact that nothing has been said officially in regards to Judge makes me think Mara is going to allow the GM to decide whether or not to move on from him, which I think is the right thing to do (the obvious concern is that Mara will choose whichever says they'll give Judge another year, which will be a red flag for the GM to me).
Disappointed...  
Bill E : 1/10/2022 11:48 pm : link
...Judge has done nothing to earn this stay of execution, so not sure how he still has a job.
Leaving him in place tells the next GM that Mara wants him to stay.
The next GM should not be forced to make a decision that his new boss might not support.

Leaving Judge in place is not the clean slate the organization needs.
Happy  
giantstock : 1/11/2022 12:35 am : link
1---- DG is gone. I hated him and his pompas attitude but more importantly I thought he was a moron too blind to see the game passed him by. I think he is the worst GM the Giants ever had. Put that on your resume Dave!!!!

2--- Looks like Abrams is out for GM which means more than likely Judge is out when new GM is hired.
RE: Flores was fired  
GMen72 : 1/11/2022 12:39 am : link
In comment 15544649 5BowlsSoon said:
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But Judge wasn’t.

GO FIGURE….

2 QB SNEAKS….AND ONE 11 minute stupid rant….

Enough is enough….


This! One organization is committed to winning and getting better, another isn't. The Giants brass are so scared to start a season with a clean slate, even with a 10-23, embarrassing HC.

It may workout, but keeping JJ in the picture was more of the same for this organization.

RE: Disappointed...  
Dennis : 1/11/2022 1:22 am : link
In comment 15544680 bw in dc said:
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This stay of execution for Judge is preposterous. I'm really stunned this is possibly still being deliberated.


+1. Exactly how I feel. Very disappointed. Very concerned they're going to keep Judge.
RE: Concern that Giants  
OC2.0 : 1/11/2022 2:48 am : link
In comment 15544653 George from PA said:
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I hope that it just came out today and they started 2 weeks ago.

Judge should be a GM call. Not sure if having Judge might turn some GM off...but list looks decent, at least they are removing internal options and going to successful external choices.

I do not know enough....so will feel good when I see results.

Very pleased the 10 year curse has expired

How do you know they didn't?
I just can't see  
madeinstars : 1/11/2022 4:20 am : link
How it's anything other than a disappointment so far.

Consensus the last few weeks has generally been that all of these people need to go:

1. Gettleman
2. Judge
3. Chris Mara
4. O'Donnell
5. Pettit
6. Abrams

Out of all these guys, only Gettleman is gone. There's not a single reason to give the Mara's any benefit of the doubt when it comes to getting rid of the rest of that club.

Every single minute they keep Judge is going to muddy the waters further when it comes to the GM search. Judge is obviously going to push heavily to hire the guy most likely to keep him around. There is not a single GM worth having who is going to want Judge to be the HC next year. Just get rid of him already and let the GM pick a new HC.

If they get rid of Judge tomorrow, I'd turn from dissapointed to neutral, but every single day they keep Judge the chance the Mara's are going to fuck this up all over again is waaaaay higher then the chance they will get it right.
Neutral  
Les in TO : 1/11/2022 5:43 am : link
On the positive side, they are doing a real GM search and seemingly willing to give that person powers unprecedented for the Giants. Maybe the Maras are learning to stick to horse racing and Westchester croquet leagues. And Gettleman is retired.

On the negative side, they should have made a quick and clean break with Judge. Which muddies my optimism that they are truly committed to delegating to a football pro.
I am thoroughly disappointed  
Mayo2JZ : 1/11/2022 5:59 am : link
Has there been another team who vacillates about the head coach while at the same time trying to hire the next GM? Add that JJ wants input on the search? Are you kidding me?!! His future is on shaky ground as it is. What owner would allow this to go on? Oh yea, Mara!
Oops, one more thing....  
Mayo2JZ : 1/11/2022 6:03 am : link
John Mara decides to punt the decision to retain JJ and let "the other guy" do it. Yes, ultimately I guess that's what we all want but it just seems like a half measure. Rip the bandaid off and send a clear message to the fans that you finally got it!
My heart is filled  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/11/2022 6:06 am : link
with neutrality
RE: Oops, one more thing....  
Mike in NY : 1/11/2022 6:16 am : link
In comment 15544992 Mayo2JZ said:
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John Mara decides to punt the decision to retain JJ and let "the other guy" do it. Yes, ultimately I guess that's what we all want but it just seems like a half measure. Rip the bandaid off and send a clear message to the fans that you finally got it!


Looking at the names so far, Schoen and probably Peters look like the best names although that is with the caveat that I do not know how they are thought of in personnel circles which is a clear weakness. If your best candidate said he wants to give Judge the 2022 season for whatever reason (such as actually believing Judge has potential as a Head Coach or looking at cap space doesn’t think this collection of crud is what their preferred option can win with and better to get roster in place to be able to make splash in 2023) it makes no sense to fire Judge before then. The legitimate breadth of the search for GM if Mara will give everyone a legitimate shot is why I am neutral. If this is an interview everyone and give to Abrams or Chris Mara because they don’t see anyone better then I will be beyond pissed.
I hear you Mike  
Mayo2JZ : 1/11/2022 6:25 am : link
I know nothing of these candidates except who they currently work for. How do we know that Accorsi isn't involved? Have any of the GM candidates accepted the interview? Someone said they could have been working on this the last two weeks. Again we don't know but strictly from appearances keeping JJ around just shows how dysfunctional this organization is and how it looks to the rest of the league. Flores of all people gets fired but JJ is still here. We are in bizzaro world and we already have a George.
Neutral  
Toth029 : 1/11/2022 6:26 am : link
But happy they aren't going with Abrams.

Would love to get Shoen tbh.
Bad. Any day with Judge as coach is bad  
Matt M. : 1/11/2022 6:40 am : link
I'll believe the new GM will fire Judge when it actually gets announced. Until then, every possible theory seems possible with this team.
RE: I hear you Mike  
Mike in NY : 1/11/2022 6:50 am : link
In comment 15545000 Mayo2JZ said:
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I know nothing of these candidates except who they currently work for. How do we know that Accorsi isn't involved? Have any of the GM candidates accepted the interview? Someone said they could have been working on this the last two weeks. Again we don't know but strictly from appearances keeping JJ around just shows how dysfunctional this organization is and how it looks to the rest of the league. Flores of all people gets fired but JJ is still here. We are in bizzaro world and we already have a George.


And Matt Rhule still has a job in Carolina
RE: Neutral  
joeinpa : 1/11/2022 7:53 am : link
In comment 15544644 cjac said:
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Nothing really happened yet

The new GM will most likely fire Judge

That’s my gut feeling


That s. not really true. For a long time many were concerned the status quo would be kept. .......

Now:

Gettleman gone, Abrams not his replacement, GM will come from outside and pick the coach

At the very least 3 or 4 things this board wanted have already happened.
RE: RE: Oops, one more thing....  
madeinstars : 1/11/2022 8:02 am : link
In comment 15544997 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15544992 Mayo2JZ said:


Quote:


John Mara decides to punt the decision to retain JJ and let "the other guy" do it. Yes, ultimately I guess that's what we all want but it just seems like a half measure. Rip the bandaid off and send a clear message to the fans that you finally got it!



Looking at the names so far, Schoen and probably Peters look like the best names although that is with the caveat that I do not know how they are thought of in personnel circles which is a clear weakness. If your best candidate said he wants to give Judge the 2022 season for whatever reason (such as actually believing Judge has potential as a Head Coach or looking at cap space doesn’t think this collection of crud is what their preferred option can win with and better to get roster in place to be able to make splash in 2023) it makes no sense to fire Judge before then. The legitimate breadth of the search for GM if Mara will give everyone a legitimate shot is why I am neutral. If this is an interview everyone and give to Abrams or Chris Mara because they don’t see anyone better then I will be beyond pissed.


I don't buy this one minute. Do you think there is ANY possible GM candidate who is not going to take the job, because he doesn't get to work with Judge?

I think it's far more likely that the continued employment of Judge causes complications in the GM search than a pre-emptive firing would.
RE: Disappointed...  
HomerJones45 : 1/11/2022 8:03 am : link
In comment 15544680 bw in dc said:
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This stay of execution for Judge is preposterous. I'm really stunned this is possibly still being deliberated.
This. The implication is that there is something to discuss with this guy. Jawn is not giving up on his bad bet.
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