Who do you take at 5 and 7 if the draft goes this way?

I'd go with Ickey and either Hamilton or Stingley

and Hamilton at 7. I’d also consider the Purdue edge at 7.

And Stingley.

Close third to Hamilton

Ekwonu might be the best lineman in the draft and also has more position flexibility than Cross and Neal

This is why it was imperative for this team to get inside the top 4. I think the talent drops off significantly when you get to 5. Typical. BPA probably lines up at the S, CB, and maybe WR?

In comment 15545381 Metnut said:

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and Hamilton at 7. I’d also consider the Purdue edge at 7.

This. Assuming he can play RT.

Ikem and Greek Freak. Both will help us re-establish control of the line of scrimmage

Ikem is going to be a dominant guard in the NFL and can play tackle too.

Karlaftis is a grown man that can get after the QB and stop the run equally well.

These would be two phenomenal picks. Karlaftis is compared to a Justin Smith type (Bengals a few years back) just a glass eating, wrecking ball on D.

He’ll pair up nicely with Ojulari

Linderbaum at 7

In comment 15545398 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Linderbaum at 7

Same

Stop acting like Gettleman and Reese, th eshiny objects look nice but games are won and lost on the trenches! Come on

Ekwonu is one of the few guys that would slot in as a Top-10 pick and talent at G to take.

I think they'd look at one of the defensive standouts at 7. Maybe Dean, Lloyd at LB?

to go Hamilton and then see how the OL stack up against Ojabo and Karlaftis.

To get more 2023 picks

would be comical and a remote thrower. Anyone watching modern day football understands you use high leverage draft capital to draft QB/OL/pass rushers or a defensive player that can effect all 3 downs (front 7).

RB/WR/DB's are luxury picks once you have a foundation set. It has nothing to do with BPA...and every thing to do with picking the biggest impact player at a valued position in todays NFL.

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to go Hamilton and then see how the OL stack up against Ojabo and Karlaftis.

Yeah, I think I could be talked out of Stingley but not Hamilton.

I'm curious to see how Karlaftis tests. If he proves he's a great athlete then he's in the conversation at 5, I just worry he's a bit too slow.

At 5- I'd take Cross or Karlaftis.

At 7 - I'd take Karlaftis or Ekwonu

I am taking Karlaftis whether it be 5 or 7.

Assuming that these three are close in value to the others.

#3 edge whoever falls
#3 OT whoever falls
Hamilton
Linderman (sp)

I would only take Hamilton if I thought the OL depth was good enough to get starters in rounds 2 and 3 (2 picks).

and multiple, but he's not the bursty athletic impact talent the Giants really need. So that's a significant decision if you're running a 3-4 base, he's more of a 4-man front fit. Ojulari is not likely that impact guy either, I think he's a sound #2.

Even if prices aren't fantastic, it wouldn't hurt this team to save a few bucks by moving down a handful of spots while adding one or more 2nd or 3rd round picks this year and next.

and just answering the question...

I think I'd go Hamilton and then Linderbaum. (in this case, giving Hamilton the nod over Stingley because I view them as similar in value, and I think it makes a lot of sense to let Peppers walk)

I'm a believer that interior OL should generally be avoided in the premium picks, but nothing can get better for this team until the OL does, and the cap simply isn't going to allow them do make big changes via FA.

I think he's an elite enough prospect at his position that it wouldn't be an egregious need pick.

this. I would have been tempted to select him at one of those picks. Ojabo will be an interesting prospect after the combine.

I'd consider Ojabo and Dean, but trading down would be ideal. The Pitt QB I'd give a long look at.

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and multiple, but he's not the bursty athletic impact talent the Giants really need. So that's a significant decision if you're running a 3-4 base, he's more of a 4-man front fit. Ojulari is not likely that impact guy either, I think he's a sound #2.

Yeah, it's hard to project front 7 guys because we don't know who the coach will be and what base D we'll be playing. Karlaftis looks like a great fit as a DE in a 4-3, but not as a 3-4 ER.

keep peppers and go with Oline and DE.

Maybe he'll be lucky and avoid an ACL or patella tendon level injury.

Garrett Wilson at 7.

With Jets. 5 and 7 for 4 and 10. Thibideau and Linderbaum.

otherwise Hamilton is the pick at 5. Stingley would be in the conversation at 7 but we cant use 2 picks on the secondary.

Stay put Hamilton and Karlaftits
Trade 5 Karlaftits and Ekwonu
Trade 7 Hamilton and Green

Karlaftis and Ekwonu go a long way towards changing the way we play up front on O and D. Nasty and Physical.

1st and 2nd plus something next year to get to 5. Either for Hamilton or to beat Carolina to the QB.

Im looking at a new regime in Minnesota targeting a QB.

I doubt it would happen with us but Philly coming up for Hamilton is something to watch for.

At 5 and LB Devin Lloyd at 7.

as someone will be desperate for a QB around then. Hopefully not the Giants though.

Keep one of them and grab highest impact player you can (thinking Edge or OLB but will see how things shape up in next few months). And then trade down in Rd 1 with the other pick and hopefully one of the top OL are still in your highest tier. Use the picks you get in trade to fill in everywhere and anywhere, or help get a QB in 2023.

championship...

Would like to trade back and add more capital with the 7 pick. If not Karlaftis.

5. Hamilton, would make for perhaps the nastiest pairing of young dynamic Safeties in the league.

7. Ekwonu, excellent and versatile OL piece who is much needed and can fit anywhere on the 4 open positions along the OL.

I really like both Dean and Lloyd, and think both are going to be amazing players in the NFL, would love either of them but 7 seems a little high.

otherwise....will need to know who is the coach.....

OL system and front 7 Defense(edge) is my leanings.....but need to know what will team run....3-4, 4-3....zone or gap blocking

I think if Carolina wants a QB. Number 5 becomes a very tradable asset.

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But I’m slight trade downs to acquire more picks
Solidly the guard spots and pressure up the middle

Jarret Paterson in the third

Take TWO RBs!

In comment 15545716 Earl the goat said:

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But I’m slight trade downs to acquire more picks Solidly the guard spots and pressure up the middle Jarret Paterson in the third

Patterson not entering.


https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-jarrett-patterson-to-return-in-2022

Hamilton
Stingley

Get a chance to take elite players you take them. I'm a little concerned of Stingley's injuries but if he checks out at combine take him.

There should be good o-linemen available later
Nicholas Petit Frere Ohio State
Bernhard Raimann Central Michigan
Abraham Lucas Washington St
Darian Kinnard Kentucky
Sean Rhyan UCLA
Jaxson Kirkland Washington
Ed Ingram Louisiana State
Jamaree Salyer Georgia

Our two last Super Bowl seasons had

2011 - 31st ranked O-line by Pff

2007 - 3rd ranked O-line composed of draft picks of a
LT David Diehl: fifth round
LG Rich Seubert: undrafted free agent
C Shaun O'Hara: undrafted free agent
RG: Chris Snee: second round
RT Kareem McKenzie: Round 3

they were acquired via Free Agency. i.e. we paid market price for an established player -- their draft pedigree was no longer relevant at that time.

which ever player is best in the OL or ER.

Hamilton paired with McKinney would be a nightmare for opposing QBs. Both guys cover a lot of ground in a hurry back there.

In comment 15545398 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Linderbaum at 7

This s the correct answer.

I know is that they have to get two immediate starting quality players with those picks, whether it's 2 OL or an OL/Edge. WR, TE and RB all need to be considered later the draft. Shep's career as a Giant should pretty much be over, Engram needs to be gone, Barkley more than likely will not return to his 2018 production, Toney may be constantly injured and Golladay is looking like a bust of a FA signing. Slayton also is nothing. They're back to square one skill-player wise on offense.

In comment 15545780 gogiants said:

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Hamilton Stingley Get a chance to take elite players you take them. I'm a little concerned of Stingley's injuries but if he checks out at combine take him. There should be good o-linemen available later Nicholas Petit Frere Ohio State Bernhard Raimann Central Michigan Abraham Lucas Washington St Darian Kinnard Kentucky Sean Rhyan UCLA Jaxson Kirkland Washington Ed Ingram Louisiana State Jamaree Salyer Georgia Our two last Super Bowl seasons had 2011 - 31st ranked O-line by Pff 2007 - 3rd ranked O-line composed of draft picks of a LT David Diehl: fifth round LG Rich Seubert: undrafted free agent C Shaun O'Hara: undrafted free agent RG: Chris Snee: second round RT Kareem McKenzie: Round 3

SO what you're saying is that when the Giants have an experienced "Eli Manning," then there should be no problem with having to draft that many OL and draft them early, right?

I would like to see Ekwonu and Linderbaum with our first two picks and hope that a guy Like LB Chris Harris is there for our pick in the 2nd. Edge and TE in the 3rd and WR in the 4th.

I can see 1 OL and a defensive player, if so I prefer Karlaftis. We need to add talent to both lines.

I would also come back in round 2 with Christian Harris Bama LB.

Round 3 I would look to add at least 1 IOL.

Drafting at least 3 OL with the 9 picks seems like a smart investment if the value lines up.

To skip over it blindly for two OL does not compute, especially in the top 7. You might get one OL up there, highly doubt you get two.

My impression from what I read about Karlaftis is that the production just isn't what you would expect given his size and strength. Is that accurate?

there are a few plus to very good OL in this first round, but it's looking like a better batch of top prospects on defense.

In comment 15546062 JonC said:

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there are a few plus to very good OL in this first round, but it's looking like a better batch of top prospects on defense.

Then trade out of the slot and accrue more picks to spend on OL, WR, maybe QB. The offense is a complete emergency on this team and beefing up the offense is the fastest route to respectability.

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It's unlikely you've plugged in a solution with a draft pick. More often, you've filled a check box on your to do list for a roster spot in the hopes they'll be able to step into the starting lineup. So, I'm in favor of the best talent according to my draft board, and suspect the OL at 5/7 may not measure up to the defensive prospects available.

it's a legit argument.

But I think sometimes the quantity argument makes sense, especially if it is 1st and 2nd rounders.

High draft picks whiff too, after all.

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Yep. The Giants need high end talent, period, at almost any position. You have maybe three guys who could potentially be among the top 5 at their positions - Thomas, McKinney, and Williams, and Williams. That's it. No position on the roster could be considered loaded with talent.

had 4.5 sacks this season. Unless he was getting doubled every play, that seems kinda light for a top 10 pick.

Hamilton and Stingley.

But the more I think about it my dream scenario is Hamilton.

Then trading down into the teens and getting a first rounder next year and take an OL.

In comment 15545884 giantstock said:

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SO what you're saying is that when the Giants have an experienced "Eli Manning," then there should be no problem with having to draft that many OL and draft them early, right?

A little confused by the question but I think that 2011 team shows that with a good quarterback and good skills positions (Manningham, Nicks, Cruz) - you can overcome a poor offensive line. This is what PFF had to say at the time

2011 Giant Offensive Line – Rank 31 (PFF)
Run Rank 24th, Pass Rank 32nd, Penalties Rank 7th
Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but they did so in spite of a line that sieved pressure throughout the year. Our lowest-ranked pass protecting line had problems all over, but nowhere as bad as at the tackle positions (especially once Will Beatty was lost for the year). It wasn’t just the tackles however, with every member of the Giants' line earning a negative grade. This explains the drop-off in the run game and makes the season that Eli Manning had all the more remarkable.

In comment 15546059 Greg from LI said:

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My impression from what I read about Karlaftis is that the production just isn't what you would expect given his size and strength. Is that accurate?

I agree, what I saw was not awe inspiring. Big guy, strong, not fast, but relentless. More of a 4-3 DE type, imv.

And make good selections. Need many players rather than a player here or there.

Stingley could be the best player in the draft if he plays like he did as a freshman but he hasn't quite hit that level again and has dealt with injuries.

Lotta folks want to go OL and obviously the need is there but some of the experts here don't seem to feel the value lines up. If we end up with a new coach it could very well be a QB and I'd be good rolling the dice with Pickett but less enthusiastic about Corral.

The only guy I really don't want is Karlaftis. I just don't see it there. Personally I don't feel like any of the top edge players match up to the top prospects in recent drafts, but especially Karlaftis.