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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2022 10:43 am
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Game Review: Washington Football Team 22 – New York Giants 7 - ( New Window )
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RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15545546 Victor in CT said:
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.



or incorrectly drafted, possibly misused? doesn't seem like this staff puts guys in the best position to succeed.


No matter what gap/role/position you are on DL, you need to be a factor in run defense. He gets pushed around far too much for a man his size who is supposed to be an impact player, and that was supposed to be his major selling point.

They drafted him on potential because they thought they could coach pass rush into him.

Sy'56  
M.S. : 1/11/2022 11:23 am : link

Much thanks for your weekly reviews! That probably wasn't the easiest thing to do, nor much fun.

Can't wait for your player draft evaluations!
RE: RE: great stuff as always. your conclusion is spot on.  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15545556 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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it's funny, in all the hubbub about the 2 QB plunges I forgot about that ridiculous jet sweep on 4th down LOL. Not that it mattered in the end, but still just a ridiculous call in that spot with that lineup.

Thanks again for doing this through another awful season. I'll look forward to your draft previews as always. They are the best around.



While watching the Rams-Niners game, I saw the Rams run almost the exact same play with Cooper Kupp in a big spot with no one blocking the edge rusher. Yet for them, it worked. Maybe it’s because the Rams use so much of that type of motion that it wasn’t like a flashing light pre-snap. Who knows?


the answer to me is that it's Cooper Kupp, running it, not Alex Bachman :-)
Sy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/11/2022 11:29 am : link
Thanks for your effort with these all year. Probably difficult since you seem as someone who appreciates good line play on both sides.

Interesting on Jamin. I believe Dave said the Giants were going to take him had WFT not selected him just prior.
As always, great job Sy,  
Section331 : 1/11/2022 11:29 am : link
thanks for doing these. You should get combat pay for this year! I didn't like the Golladay signing, not only the money, but I had concerns about his durability and effort (Lions coaches weren't exactly shy in questioning his availability). That said, I had no idea he would be this bad. Sure, it's not easy for a WR to perform given the revolving door at QB, but his output is simply awful, and his effort yesterday was a downright embarrassment.

Outside of AT, there is no one on the OL worth keeping, even as a reserve. That alone is a damning indictment of the personnel staff, which includes Judge.
Thank you Sy!  
US1 Giants : 1/11/2022 11:37 am : link
Doing these game reviews must have been an unpleasant chore this year. You are greatly appreciated.
Great summary Sy’  
beatrixkiddo : 1/11/2022 11:38 am : link
Really hope Thomas stays healthy and has a long career here. Can we please not have another promising players career end before it starts? He and McKinney I view as the two cornerstones to build around. This team is a long way from being competitive but hopefully they can start hitting on their draft picks with a new regime coming to town. Even if next year is Jones and Barkley’s last seasons, I hope the FO learns from the mistakes they have made over the past decade. No more half fixes, do the rebuild the right way, you have to go into the draft and take the BPA at every round or else you find yourselves in the situation we are now stuck in. Which is Cap hell with a bunch of overpriced FA who aren’t worth the $.
Thanks Sy. I am also interested on your take on the Galloday  
Dinger : 1/11/2022 11:46 am : link
alligator arms incompletion. And really, so disappointing the lack of 1st round hits in the DG era. QBs are tricky, RBs are a mistake, but was hoping Dex would be a hit. More and more looks like we can move on from him. And honestly, Toney is a head scratcher. Why him why then? A lot of work to do on the player evaluation side.
Many Thanks, Sy  
Bob in Vt : 1/11/2022 11:53 am : link
Really appreciate the time and effort, not to mention your valuable insights.
Love what ya do Sy  
darktimes : 1/11/2022 12:02 pm : link
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Both Crowder and McKinney  
Giants73 : 1/11/2022 12:06 pm : link
Are flat footed defenders who wait for the ball carrier to get to them. Both are bad tacklers. If you look at the stat sheet they may come across as having good games but their play is weak. McKinney is the Equivilent of Trevon Diggs at safety. Watching footage of Lawrence he got good push throughout the game and when he was in the sideline you could see both Johnson and Shelton being man handled.

Looking at the snap counts, the amount of time 99/97 are on the field this year probably dwindled their production with this horrid bend don’t break defense. Would like to see the number of actual snaps these two big men took this year.

Someone out there running passing play counts, would be curious to see the amount of opportunities the GIANTS actually had for sacks and their percentage of sacks per pass play.

There are players on this team but the overall offense and defense detracts from their ability to put the stats up they would on a real team.
Great effort, Sy...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2022 12:06 pm : link
and my condolences for having to suffer through such a horrible year and watch and re-watch this disaster. ;)

on 2022 QBs:  
widmerseyebrow : 1/11/2022 12:14 pm : link
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I will say this to get it all started: I don’t see a QB worth pursuing in the top 10. I think it will be an interesting idea on Day 2.


Seems to reflect the mainstream view.
As someone who didn't watch on Sunday  
JB_in_DC : 1/11/2022 12:18 pm : link
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Price allowed 2.5 sacks


Good god!!

When is the soonest we can get out of Golladay's contract? Need guys who get separation.
great job Sy!  
Producer : 1/11/2022 12:26 pm : link
Thanks for all the hard work and the benefit of your insight.

I think if we have a new GM and HC, then the writing is on the wall at QB too. I'd expect them to reset the position in 2022.
Sy needs hazard pay  
ZogZerg : 1/11/2022 12:27 pm : link
Don't know how he could watch that trash more than once.
Thanks, Sy!  
TC : 1/11/2022 12:28 pm : link
Great review!

In reading your review of IOL, I notice you didn't mention Gates and Lemieux. I realize that Gates' injury was horrific, and Seubert's resurrection the exception rather than the rule, but I was really fond of his aggressive demeanor and play in general. Lemieux. was starting to look to have potential as a solid starter. I don't think either player should stop the Giants from acquiring IOL talent, but do you see the potential for either going forward, provided each can rehab adequately?
Thanks Sy...Great job and sorry that you had to watch  
George from PA : 1/11/2022 12:36 pm : link
my feeling....the smart move for any GM is to keep Judge.

It appeases the owners, Judge is not their guy...so he is in a no lose position...

Judge wins...everyone wins

Judge loses....gives GM a free year to get his people in place....a new QB too...as Jones will start making big $$$.

as it is, he is late this year as coaching staff is being assembled as we speak....
Thanks Sy  
kevken60 : 1/11/2022 12:38 pm : link
Your reviews and Eric’s previews became more interesting than the games themselves late in the season.
RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
Payasdaddy : 1/11/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.


Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
I'll add . . . .  
TC : 1/11/2022 12:50 pm : link
I agree 100% concerning Judge. There's just no upside in keeping him. If he doesn't get fired during next season he's almost certainly gone at the end of it. In exchange for a faux year of "stability" it will set the whole program back at least two years, and more likely at least three as coordinators and position coaches have to be change, players have to learn yet another new system, while the GM and coach need to learn about each other.

Other than as simply retribution for his crappy coaching, a decision to retain him next year damages prospects for building a solid teams for years.
Thanks Sy  
Tony in Tampa : 1/11/2022 12:55 pm : link
I look forward to reading your reviews each week. Lose or lose. :)
RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/11/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.


...and the Giants need to make a decision this year on his 5th year option, a somewhat overlooked personnel decision by many here.

OverTheCap projects his 5th year at over $10 million. Not worth it, IMO.

RE: on 2022 QBs:  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/11/2022 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15545747 widmerseyebrow said:
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I will say this to get it all started: I don’t see a QB worth pursuing in the top 10. I think it will be an interesting idea on Day 2.



Seems to reflect the mainstream view.


Hmmm, sounds like 2019 (smh)
Best review of the season Sy  
Stan in LA : 1/11/2022 1:06 pm : link
Unlike the Giants, you're in the playoffs.

Thanks.
Solid review  
Sammo85 : 1/11/2022 1:10 pm : link
Makes good point on the interior OL and TE position being urgent needs to address in draft/FA.

WR is a concern to me too, but not sure we can gamble investments at moment early in draft (can see a 3rd/4th rounder there though).

I think IOL, Edge, RT, TE, LB are going to be priorities in the draft process with our first 5-6 picks.

QB is the black hole conundrum that a new GM will really earn their bacon/future on in 2023 forward.
RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
Sammo85 : 1/11/2022 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15545872 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.



...and the Giants need to make a decision this year on his 5th year option, a somewhat overlooked personnel decision by many here.

OverTheCap projects his 5th year at over $10 million. Not worth it, IMO.


Agreed, but for 2022 he's a keep. Gives them time to address DT/WR, maybe QB in the 2023 draft where more talent might be for plucking. QB/DT very weak this year.
RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15545832 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.



Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center


that's what I was getting at in response to TTH. ANd it's the same with all the athletic press CBs they get and then play in soft zones.
Thanks Sy  
cosmicj : 1/11/2022 1:44 pm : link
Love your reviews.
Thanks Sy for all the reviews.  
Blue21 : 1/11/2022 1:59 pm : link
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RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
Angel Eyes : 1/11/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15545832 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.



Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center

That’s two coaching staffs that haven’t been able to use him well. He and Williams would be a good DT duo in a 4-3.
Great  
AcidTest : 1/11/2022 2:17 pm : link
review.

Thank goodness the season is over.

I would cut, release, or not resign Skura, Price, and Hernandez. I'd also cut Golladay if at all possible.
RE: RE: on 2022 QBs:  
widmerseyebrow : 1/11/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15545879 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15545747 widmerseyebrow said:


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I will say this to get it all started: I don’t see a QB worth pursuing in the top 10. I think it will be an interesting idea on Day 2.



Seems to reflect the mainstream view.



Hmmm, sounds like 2019 (smh)


Yep. We're going to make the same mistake aren't we?
RE: Dexter Lawrence can walk.  
BMac : 1/11/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15545509 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.

Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.


I'd like to see him at nose tackle before jumping to any more conclusions.
Just wanted to say thanks for working so hard on these all year  
Metnut : 1/11/2022 3:01 pm : link
It’s been a completely awful season, but I still always read these. Hopefully you’ll be back again next year and the Giants can give you a more interesting team to write about.
Dex is not a player to keep around  
Rudy5757 : 1/11/2022 3:19 pm : link
He makes very little impact on the game. He was a bad 1st round pick and no reason to keep him around to not make an impact.

As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.

Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.
Thanks for all you do Sy  
Gman11 : 1/11/2022 4:00 pm : link
Despite this dumpster fire of a season it's always good to read your analysis.

And, I was in Judge's corner after last season, but really soured on him as this season progressed. I agree. Let him go. He has shown that he doesn't have the ability to play to his team's strengths or help minimize their weaknesses. Instead, he coached scared.
RE: Dex is not a player to keep around  
section125 : 1/11/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15546175 Rudy5757 said:
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He makes very little impact on the game. He was a bad 1st round pick and no reason to keep him around to not make an impact.

As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.

Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.


Dex is already paid for and he is not a bad player. Just has not excelled. Maybe in a different scheme with a different set of coaches he plays better.
Despite all the work that gets put into these...  
Racer : 1/11/2022 5:10 pm : link
....Sy still has the humility to close with 'thank you for reading these'.

Other than the very few on-the-field performances that have provoked a smile, your review and draft content are one of the few pleasant experiences in being a fan of NYG the past several years. Thanks for the work and the heads-up, no BS stance on the subject matter.
This will likely be a very painful offseason for the Giants  
kdog77 : 1/11/2022 5:28 pm : link
The next GM will have decent draft capital to start rebuilding the team (5 in top 80), but no cap room to resign players and rookies. The team could be looking at full tear down and could cut the following players to make room on the cap for younger, cheaper players:

Bradberry - saves $12M
Martinez - saves $8.5M
Rudolph - saves $5M
Shepherd - saves $4.5M
Booker - saves $2M
Dixon -saves $2.8M
Gates - saves $2.5M
Love - saves $2.5M

Williams, Golloday, Ryan and Jackson are cost prohibitive to dump. Jones is not going anywhere in 2022 b/c his cap hit is nominal for even mid-tier QB, but trading Barkley saves $7M on the cap. Given Saquon's lack of production this year it seems unlikely Giants can get back anything higher than 3rd round pick for him, but the cost savings on the cap and relatively low value for RBs in the modern NFL may make even a 7th round pick better than keeping him in 2022.

This is not going to be an easy process and fact that the Giants ownership is even contemplating keeping Judge shows how delusional they are about competing with the current roster. It is the same type of half-assed short sighted thinking that has lead to the Giants Way becoming synonymous with sustained incompetence. Parting ways with Judge gives the next GM space to build the team right and clear out the mistakes from the past regime with a new HC that is aligned with the vision of the GM and can accept the challenge of keeping the team moving forward when facing adversity during the season.
Thanks, Sy!  
Jersey Heel : 1/11/2022 5:48 pm : link
Great job!
Thx Sy  
Kev in Cali : 1/11/2022 5:48 pm : link
Appreciate your time all of these years to give us good intel on our rostered players, potential draft picks and everything else you provide for us fans in the mean time.

Till April, cheers!

Thank you Sy’56.  
Joe Beckwith : 1/11/2022 6:58 pm : link
We all know it’s painful to write weekly on the helplessness of the team.
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?
I second the painful point.  
Giant John : 1/12/2022 3:53 am : link
It’s very difficult to watch and report on so many inadequacies as the painful season transpired. It is exciting though to consider where some help may come from in the draft analysis. Not expecting too much improvement next year but it can’t be as bad as it was. A new season always brings new hope. Thank you for your perseverance.
Sy  
OBJRoyal : 1/12/2022 6:35 am : link
Thank you for all you do for BBI!! To do these game reviews in a season such as this, greatly appreciated
I won’t actually read the review  
exiled : 1/12/2022 7:32 am : link
I just can’t revisit that game, but Sy, THANK YOU for another season of thoughtful, clear-eyed reviews. As an out-of-market fan who misses so many games, your reviews give me a connection to the team.

May next year’s team finally give you some fun football to write about.
Thank You Sy  
Boatie Warrant : 1/12/2022 7:58 am : link
Can't imagine how hard it is to have to rewatch this product. I hope this is the bottom of the barrel and we can start ascending from here
Thank you Sy  
Optimus-NY : 1/12/2022 8:15 am : link
I'm really looking forward to draft season! I always enjoy what you have to say. Thanks for doing these reviews for us. Despite the poor quality of play on (and off the field) from this team, you still brought your "A-game". Here's to a new start with the new GM, HC, and hopefully the rest of the front office sans the Maras.
RE: Thank you Sy’56.  
Gruber : 1/12/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15547153 Joe Beckwith said:
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We all know it’s painful to write weekly on the helplessness of the team.
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?


He had a Dalvin Tomlinson next to him last season and he was getting good reviews.
Thank you Sy  
ij_reilly : 1/12/2022 10:18 am : link
Honestly, I watch only a handful of minutes of Giants football this year. I valued my time and priorities in such a way that watching Giants football became a poor use of my time.

I largely relied on your reviews to get a better understanding of the Giants. And how bad they were this year.

Thank you for your insightful, professional reviews.
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