Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
or incorrectly drafted, possibly misused? doesn't seem like this staff puts guys in the best position to succeed.
No matter what gap/role/position you are on DL, you need to be a factor in run defense. He gets pushed around far too much for a man his size who is supposed to be an impact player, and that was supposed to be his major selling point.
They drafted him on potential because they thought they could coach pass rush into him.
it's funny, in all the hubbub about the 2 QB plunges I forgot about that ridiculous jet sweep on 4th down LOL. Not that it mattered in the end, but still just a ridiculous call in that spot with that lineup.
Thanks again for doing this through another awful season. I'll look forward to your draft previews as always. They are the best around.
While watching the Rams-Niners game, I saw the Rams run almost the exact same play with Cooper Kupp in a big spot with no one blocking the edge rusher. Yet for them, it worked. Maybe it’s because the Rams use so much of that type of motion that it wasn’t like a flashing light pre-snap. Who knows?
the answer to me is that it's Cooper Kupp, running it, not Alex Bachman :-)
thanks for doing these. You should get combat pay for this year! I didn't like the Golladay signing, not only the money, but I had concerns about his durability and effort (Lions coaches weren't exactly shy in questioning his availability). That said, I had no idea he would be this bad. Sure, it's not easy for a WR to perform given the revolving door at QB, but his output is simply awful, and his effort yesterday was a downright embarrassment.
Outside of AT, there is no one on the OL worth keeping, even as a reserve. That alone is a damning indictment of the personnel staff, which includes Judge.
Really hope Thomas stays healthy and has a long career here. Can we please not have another promising players career end before it starts? He and McKinney I view as the two cornerstones to build around. This team is a long way from being competitive but hopefully they can start hitting on their draft picks with a new regime coming to town. Even if next year is Jones and Barkley’s last seasons, I hope the FO learns from the mistakes they have made over the past decade. No more half fixes, do the rebuild the right way, you have to go into the draft and take the BPA at every round or else you find yourselves in the situation we are now stuck in. Which is Cap hell with a bunch of overpriced FA who aren’t worth the $.
Thanks Sy. I am also interested on your take on the Galloday
alligator arms incompletion. And really, so disappointing the lack of 1st round hits in the DG era. QBs are tricky, RBs are a mistake, but was hoping Dex would be a hit. More and more looks like we can move on from him. And honestly, Toney is a head scratcher. Why him why then? A lot of work to do on the player evaluation side.
Are flat footed defenders who wait for the ball carrier to get to them. Both are bad tacklers. If you look at the stat sheet they may come across as having good games but their play is weak. McKinney is the Equivilent of Trevon Diggs at safety. Watching footage of Lawrence he got good push throughout the game and when he was in the sideline you could see both Johnson and Shelton being man handled.
Looking at the snap counts, the amount of time 99/97 are on the field this year probably dwindled their production with this horrid bend don’t break defense. Would like to see the number of actual snaps these two big men took this year.
Someone out there running passing play counts, would be curious to see the amount of opportunities the GIANTS actually had for sacks and their percentage of sacks per pass play.
There are players on this team but the overall offense and defense detracts from their ability to put the stats up they would on a real team.
In reading your review of IOL, I notice you didn't mention Gates and Lemieux. I realize that Gates' injury was horrific, and Seubert's resurrection the exception rather than the rule, but I was really fond of his aggressive demeanor and play in general. Lemieux. was starting to look to have potential as a solid starter. I don't think either player should stop the Giants from acquiring IOL talent, but do you see the potential for either going forward, provided each can rehab adequately?
Thanks Sy...Great job and sorry that you had to watch
Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
I agree 100% concerning Judge. There's just no upside in keeping him. If he doesn't get fired during next season he's almost certainly gone at the end of it. In exchange for a faux year of "stability" it will set the whole program back at least two years, and more likely at least three as coordinators and position coaches have to be change, players have to learn yet another new system, while the GM and coach need to learn about each other.
Other than as simply retribution for his crappy coaching, a decision to retain him next year damages prospects for building a solid teams for years.
Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
...and the Giants need to make a decision this year on his 5th year option, a somewhat overlooked personnel decision by many here.
OverTheCap projects his 5th year at over $10 million. Not worth it, IMO.
Agreed, but for 2022 he's a keep. Gives them time to address DT/WR, maybe QB in the 2023 draft where more talent might be for plucking. QB/DT very weak this year.
Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
that's what I was getting at in response to TTH. ANd it's the same with all the athletic press CBs they get and then play in soft zones.
Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
That’s two coaching staffs that haven’t been able to use him well. He and Williams would be a good DT duo in a 4-3.
It’s been a completely awful season, but I still always read these. Hopefully you’ll be back again next year and the Giants can give you a more interesting team to write about.
He makes very little impact on the game. He was a bad 1st round pick and no reason to keep him around to not make an impact.
As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.
Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.
Despite this dumpster fire of a season it's always good to read your analysis.
And, I was in Judge's corner after last season, but really soured on him as this season progressed. I agree. Let him go. He has shown that he doesn't have the ability to play to his team's strengths or help minimize their weaknesses. Instead, he coached scared.
He makes very little impact on the game. He was a bad 1st round pick and no reason to keep him around to not make an impact.
As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.
Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.
Dex is already paid for and he is not a bad player. Just has not excelled. Maybe in a different scheme with a different set of coaches he plays better.
....Sy still has the humility to close with 'thank you for reading these'.
Other than the very few on-the-field performances that have provoked a smile, your review and draft content are one of the few pleasant experiences in being a fan of NYG the past several years. Thanks for the work and the heads-up, no BS stance on the subject matter.
This will likely be a very painful offseason for the Giants
The next GM will have decent draft capital to start rebuilding the team (5 in top 80), but no cap room to resign players and rookies. The team could be looking at full tear down and could cut the following players to make room on the cap for younger, cheaper players:
Williams, Golloday, Ryan and Jackson are cost prohibitive to dump. Jones is not going anywhere in 2022 b/c his cap hit is nominal for even mid-tier QB, but trading Barkley saves $7M on the cap. Given Saquon's lack of production this year it seems unlikely Giants can get back anything higher than 3rd round pick for him, but the cost savings on the cap and relatively low value for RBs in the modern NFL may make even a 7th round pick better than keeping him in 2022.
This is not going to be an easy process and fact that the Giants ownership is even contemplating keeping Judge shows how delusional they are about competing with the current roster. It is the same type of half-assed short sighted thinking that has lead to the Giants Way becoming synonymous with sustained incompetence. Parting ways with Judge gives the next GM space to build the team right and clear out the mistakes from the past regime with a new HC that is aligned with the vision of the GM and can accept the challenge of keeping the team moving forward when facing adversity during the season.
Appreciate your time all of these years to give us good intel on our rostered players, potential draft picks and everything else you provide for us fans in the mean time.
We all know it’s painful to write weekly on the helplessness of the team.
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?
It’s very difficult to watch and report on so many inadequacies as the painful season transpired. It is exciting though to consider where some help may come from in the draft analysis. Not expecting too much improvement next year but it can’t be as bad as it was. A new season always brings new hope. Thank you for your perseverance.
I just can’t revisit that game, but Sy, THANK YOU for another season of thoughtful, clear-eyed reviews. As an out-of-market fan who misses so many games, your reviews give me a connection to the team.
May next year’s team finally give you some fun football to write about.
I'm really looking forward to draft season! I always enjoy what you have to say. Thanks for doing these reviews for us. Despite the poor quality of play on (and off the field) from this team, you still brought your "A-game". Here's to a new start with the new GM, HC, and hopefully the rest of the front office sans the Maras.
We all know it’s painful to write weekly on the helplessness of the team.
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?
He had a Dalvin Tomlinson next to him last season and he was getting good reviews.
Honestly, I watch only a handful of minutes of Giants football this year. I valued my time and priorities in such a way that watching Giants football became a poor use of my time.
I largely relied on your reviews to get a better understanding of the Giants. And how bad they were this year.
Thank you for your insightful, professional reviews.
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
or incorrectly drafted, possibly misused? doesn't seem like this staff puts guys in the best position to succeed.
No matter what gap/role/position you are on DL, you need to be a factor in run defense. He gets pushed around far too much for a man his size who is supposed to be an impact player, and that was supposed to be his major selling point.
They drafted him on potential because they thought they could coach pass rush into him.
Much thanks for your weekly reviews! That probably wasn't the easiest thing to do, nor much fun.
Can't wait for your player draft evaluations!
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it's funny, in all the hubbub about the 2 QB plunges I forgot about that ridiculous jet sweep on 4th down LOL. Not that it mattered in the end, but still just a ridiculous call in that spot with that lineup.
Thanks again for doing this through another awful season. I'll look forward to your draft previews as always. They are the best around.
While watching the Rams-Niners game, I saw the Rams run almost the exact same play with Cooper Kupp in a big spot with no one blocking the edge rusher. Yet for them, it worked. Maybe it’s because the Rams use so much of that type of motion that it wasn’t like a flashing light pre-snap. Who knows?
the answer to me is that it's Cooper Kupp, running it, not Alex Bachman :-)
Interesting on Jamin. I believe Dave said the Giants were going to take him had WFT not selected him just prior.
Outside of AT, there is no one on the OL worth keeping, even as a reserve. That alone is a damning indictment of the personnel staff, which includes Judge.
Looking at the snap counts, the amount of time 99/97 are on the field this year probably dwindled their production with this horrid bend don’t break defense. Would like to see the number of actual snaps these two big men took this year.
Someone out there running passing play counts, would be curious to see the amount of opportunities the GIANTS actually had for sacks and their percentage of sacks per pass play.
There are players on this team but the overall offense and defense detracts from their ability to put the stats up they would on a real team.
Seems to reflect the mainstream view.
Good god!!
When is the soonest we can get out of Golladay's contract? Need guys who get separation.
I think if we have a new GM and HC, then the writing is on the wall at QB too. I'd expect them to reset the position in 2022.
In reading your review of IOL, I notice you didn't mention Gates and Lemieux. I realize that Gates' injury was horrific, and Seubert's resurrection the exception rather than the rule, but I was really fond of his aggressive demeanor and play in general. Lemieux. was starting to look to have potential as a solid starter. I don't think either player should stop the Giants from acquiring IOL talent, but do you see the potential for either going forward, provided each can rehab adequately?
It appeases the owners, Judge is not their guy...so he is in a no lose position...
Judge wins...everyone wins
Judge loses....gives GM a free year to get his people in place....a new QB too...as Jones will start making big $$$.
as it is, he is late this year as coaching staff is being assembled as we speak....
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
Other than as simply retribution for his crappy coaching, a decision to retain him next year damages prospects for building a solid teams for years.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
...and the Giants need to make a decision this year on his 5th year option, a somewhat overlooked personnel decision by many here.
OverTheCap projects his 5th year at over $10 million. Not worth it, IMO.
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I will say this to get it all started: I don’t see a QB worth pursuing in the top 10. I think it will be an interesting idea on Day 2.
Seems to reflect the mainstream view.
Hmmm, sounds like 2019 (smh)
Thanks.
WR is a concern to me too, but not sure we can gamble investments at moment early in draft (can see a 3rd/4th rounder there though).
I think IOL, Edge, RT, TE, LB are going to be priorities in the draft process with our first 5-6 picks.
QB is the black hole conundrum that a new GM will really earn their bacon/future on in 2023 forward.
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
...and the Giants need to make a decision this year on his 5th year option, a somewhat overlooked personnel decision by many here.
OverTheCap projects his 5th year at over $10 million. Not worth it, IMO.
Agreed, but for 2022 he's a keep. Gives them time to address DT/WR, maybe QB in the 2023 draft where more talent might be for plucking. QB/DT very weak this year.
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
that's what I was getting at in response to TTH. ANd it's the same with all the athletic press CBs they get and then play in soft zones.
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Another theoretically good player with little to point to to back it up.
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
Dexter should be a 4-3 DT Is he great? No
But I think he can be a solid contributor in correct scheme
I don’t get why he plays out towards edge more than center
That’s two coaching staffs that haven’t been able to use him well. He and Williams would be a good DT duo in a 4-3.
Thank goodness the season is over.
I would cut, release, or not resign Skura, Price, and Hernandez. I'd also cut Golladay if at all possible.
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I will say this to get it all started: I don’t see a QB worth pursuing in the top 10. I think it will be an interesting idea on Day 2.
Seems to reflect the mainstream view.
Hmmm, sounds like 2019 (smh)
Yep. We're going to make the same mistake aren't we?
Not blaming the player. Overdrafted.
I'd like to see him at nose tackle before jumping to any more conclusions.
As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.
Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.
And, I was in Judge's corner after last season, but really soured on him as this season progressed. I agree. Let him go. He has shown that he doesn't have the ability to play to his team's strengths or help minimize their weaknesses. Instead, he coached scared.
As for Judge, I wanted to bring him back but would have been OK if a new GM wanted to replace him. After seeing him run the 2 QB sneaks with absolutely nothing to lose I want him gone. That was downright shameful. Its not even like we were at the 1 yard line, we were at the 2. I was so disgusted at that play.
Whether we bring in an O or a D guy, this team needs a good solid OC with some creativity. I know we were lacking in talent but this offense should not have been as bad as it was. No creativity for Barkley, nothing to get the skill guys going. It was such a basic vanilla product.
Dex is already paid for and he is not a bad player. Just has not excelled. Maybe in a different scheme with a different set of coaches he plays better.
Other than the very few on-the-field performances that have provoked a smile, your review and draft content are one of the few pleasant experiences in being a fan of NYG the past several years. Thanks for the work and the heads-up, no BS stance on the subject matter.
Bradberry - saves $12M
Martinez - saves $8.5M
Rudolph - saves $5M
Shepherd - saves $4.5M
Booker - saves $2M
Dixon -saves $2.8M
Gates - saves $2.5M
Love - saves $2.5M
Williams, Golloday, Ryan and Jackson are cost prohibitive to dump. Jones is not going anywhere in 2022 b/c his cap hit is nominal for even mid-tier QB, but trading Barkley saves $7M on the cap. Given Saquon's lack of production this year it seems unlikely Giants can get back anything higher than 3rd round pick for him, but the cost savings on the cap and relatively low value for RBs in the modern NFL may make even a 7th round pick better than keeping him in 2022.
This is not going to be an easy process and fact that the Giants ownership is even contemplating keeping Judge shows how delusional they are about competing with the current roster. It is the same type of half-assed short sighted thinking that has lead to the Giants Way becoming synonymous with sustained incompetence. Parting ways with Judge gives the next GM space to build the team right and clear out the mistakes from the past regime with a new HC that is aligned with the vision of the GM and can accept the challenge of keeping the team moving forward when facing adversity during the season.
Till April, cheers!
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?
May next year’s team finally give you some fun football to write about.
Dexter Lawrence: if he had a Leal next to him, do you think he’d be more noticeable in a positive way and productive?
He had a Dalvin Tomlinson next to him last season and he was getting good reviews.
I largely relied on your reviews to get a better understanding of the Giants. And how bad they were this year.
Thank you for your insightful, professional reviews.