Ralph V Tweets that Mara will make final decision on Judge

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In comment 15545636 Josh in the City said:

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nothing will change.

Exactly

same old story. I guess he won't oversee coaching then

but this would be no bueno

by drawing this out

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New GM: Yeah, I was hoping for Daboll
Mara: I will consider it

Six hours later: Judge is the coach

Now we have a GM who wanted a different coach with a coach he doesn't want. Unreal

Same old story,

At least a few more days and new GM will probably weigh in
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Not sweating this.

WTF is going on. Put whatever spin you want on every piece of information that's flushed out there.

In comment 15545649 NoGainDayne said:

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by drawing this out

Yep. Mara is going to hire the GM that tells him what he wants to hear regarding Judge, then send out messages via his lapdog beats that it was the GMs decision to keep Judge. It’s all so predictable

Surely he'll save us, no?

So, great, fire him now so the new GM can pick his coach.

Or, as many of us expect, the new GM will just be a passenger in the next HC search and Mara will swing the final gavel on that, too.

We are getting very close to this:

The more things change, the more they stay the Giants Way...

Mara needs to stick to the non football side of the business - charitable initiatives, ticket sales, corporate partnerships. Leave coaching decisions to the people who know what they’re doing!

In comment 15545668 Mad Mike said:

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Surely he'll save us, no?

Tisch soon to make his disappearing act.

replace Judge, either immediately, or at the worst after a year, is not someone we want here. And he has to be able to replace scouting and personnel dept, including family. It's really hard to be optimistic.

In comment 15545677 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 15545668 Mad Mike said: Quote: Surely he'll save us, no? Tisch soon to make his disappearing act.

I'm sure Hollywood cannot survive with him absent for more than a week.

where the owner is not involved in the hiring of the coach. In most cases, franchises try and have a decision that both the owner and GM support. But the notion that such a decision is completely outsourced to the GM is laughable. But no GM is bringing in a coach that the owner doesn't believe in. Unless they want to put their head on a platter.

But still fucking stupid.

In comment 15545664 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15545649 NoGainDayne said: Quote: by drawing this out Yep. Mara is going to hire the GM that tells him what he wants to hear regarding Judge, then send out messages via his lapdog beats that it was the GMs decision to keep Judge. It’s all so predictable

Yeah and the whole "it's the GMs decision thing" with the idea that you are doing the GM a favor by giving him the option to keep Judge is a crock of shit. Maybe, MAYBE that's true if you have a respected coach. But JJ is pretty much the biggest laughing stock I've ever seen keep their job. National laughing stock.

The idea that any GM would want this guy, especially when he got the job before proving anything is mind boggling.

You are correct, the real thing that happens is the person interviewing wants to get the job and they talk themselves into being able to handle Judge for a year in order to tell the owner what they want to get the job.

This is what happens when you have someone running a multi-billion organization that didn't earn their way there. They aren't even aware of how conflict of interest can taint objectivity.

A lot is made of if DG believed in Eli or not or if it was "forced" on him. But to me it's pretty clear that he'd never have gotten the job without validating a lot of what Mara wanted to hear. That's how you get any job. How Mara doesn't understand that this isn't serving him and he has to do something to change it is beyond me.

Saying "We're not mandating this, but we'd like to keep the coach" to a prospective GM is the same as mandating it to me.

...until the GM is in place. Then the GM should make the call.

In comment 15545707 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Saying "We're not mandating this, but we'd like to keep the coach" to a prospective GM is the same as mandating it to me.

100%. The Mara Mandate button has killed this franchise.

I would full expect ownership to be involved in the HC search, but to give themselves the final word is really problematic. Any genuine GM candidate is going to infer that means they will retain Judge. The top candidates are going to have a problem with that.

for GM. The more people you bring in the more likely you are to find one person willing to work with the worst coach in the league.

JJ.

mean Judge is gone?

1. Officially, DG “retired”. But truth is no secret
2. There is a big list of GM candidates
3. Every one of them will be asked their opinion of HC situation
4. Who is curiously missing from the GM list? For one, Abrams. And two, anyone from NE.

will make the decision, not Mara alone.

That isn't splitting hairs because, as has been discussed, a significant issue here is that firing Judge means committing to paying three HCs, past and current, at the same time.

And that money comes out of the Tisches pocket just as much as out of the Maras.

Even if Tisch harbors some desire for a change in organizational approach, the money issue may influence him as well as Mara to prefer to keep Judge.

Feels like some people are moving goal posts. All we heard all year is that Abrams was a lock for GM, or there would be no real search. Some people even thought Gettleman would be returned. I’m encouraged with the GM interview requests thus far.

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Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoSNY The Joe Judge Watch will likely go on for several more days, as I understand it. He will meet again with ownership, either today or tomorrow. Then the owners will likely let the GM candidates -- and their eventual new GM -- weigh in before making any decision on Judge's future.

In comment 15545733 UberAlias said:

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1. Officially, DG “retired”. But truth is no secret 2. There is a big list of GM candidates 3. Every one of them will be asked their opinion of HC situation 4. Who is curiously missing from the GM list? For one, Abrams. And two, anyone from NE.

Great point. Outside of Ossenfort, who has been a name for other jobs, not one other candidate has a tie to Judge.

In comment 15545668 Mad Mike said:

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Surely he'll save us, no?

You assume that Tisch hasn't already made his voice heard, which is why Judge's status is currently up in the air.

Mara: I want Judge to stay
Tisch: Let's see what the GM candidates think

Seems like a reasonable conversation between the two owners.

and/or can offer better options. Otherwise is could default to Judge which could be a lesser choice.

But not there with the comments galore that the new GM only gets the job if he goes along. Not saying Mara deserves much benefit of the doubt but playing these insinuation/conspiracy games is getting old on here...

There goes my optimism. Mara has to butt out after he hires a GM

and now after a meltdown for the ages,all you're getting is "It will be up to the next GM".A very convenient thing to say during a GM search.I guess we can't have any more reports about General Managers not wanting to come here and work with Judge.

Image first,football last.

yesterday. Mara hoping they can salvage Judge if GM wants him.

I doubt any GM worth his weight wants him.

In comment 15545640 Eli owns all said:

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Should the owner of the team not make the final decision?

that they fully support him, they will go with whatever recommendation he makes too. Some might want to allow Judge to prove himself to them for a year, which would make ownership happy, I’m sure, fans not so much.

In comment 15545769 section125 said:

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yesterday. Mara hoping they can salvage Judge if GM wants him. I doubt any GM worth his weight wants him.

Why burden the new GM with that decision? I don't want the new GM having to deal with that knowing that this was Mara's hire and he's still in the mix. NFW.

Just take Judge out - and his staff, btw, who deserve the time to find jobs because they have careers, too - so the GM has a real clean slate.

In comment 15545650 Sammo85 said:

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Ralph used the word "understanding" not "opinion". There's a big difference.

Also, I have to laugh at anyone who thought that it was an awesome idea to let the new GM, as his first official act, fire Judge. It's Mara's decision, which means that if he hasn't fired Judge already, he probably won't do it now.

and already knowing that the owners are deciding to keep a head coach makes this one lousy job, and not one that any of the top candidates will want.

Such a shame....freakin Mara, can't see the tree for the forest

In comment 15545809 I Love Clams Casino said:

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and already knowing that the owners are deciding to keep a head coach makes this one lousy job, and not one that any of the top candidates will want. Such a shame....freakin Mara, can't see the tree for the forest

uh....can't see the forest for the trees.....

In comment 15545664 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15545649 NoGainDayne said: Quote: by drawing this out Yep. Mara is going to hire the GM that tells him what he wants to hear regarding Judge, then send out messages via his lapdog beats that it was the GMs decision to keep Judge. It’s all so predictable

Maybe, but it was also stated here Gettleman would be back, then when that didn’t happen it changed to Abrams would be the guy, wrong on both counts.

Saying he wants to approve of the coaching decision does not mean he won’t listen to a convincing argument to make a change.

A new GM that is a leader should be able to be a powerful factor in this decision.

I ll wait and see, up to now Mara has not followed the narrative you describe.

Its like the AA support group. There isn't a good GM around who if they even have the slightest desire to remove Judge will take this job.

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In comment 15545824 joeinpa said:

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Maybe, but it was also stated here Gettleman would be back, then when that didn’t happen it changed to Abrams would be the guy, wrong on both counts.

Enough of this narrative. Those thoughts were brought up - I know I did - because you could NOT rule them out based on Mara's history. And it's because Mara has placed a high value on loyalty, which has gotten in the way of making the best decisions.

In comment 15545825 PatersonPlank said:

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Its like the AA support group. There isn't a good GM around who if they even have the slightest desire to remove Judge will take this job.

The more I think about the following statement from Ralph, I'm a little more hopeful:

"The new GM will have input, and if he (or she) has a better option, the owners will consider it."

Maybe, just maybe, Mara wants to fire Judge but will ONLY do so if one of the potential GMs can sell ownership on the GM's preferred HC.

Sort of like a kid in high school who won't dump his current girlfriend until he has another girl lined up ;>)

In comment 15545825 PatersonPlank said:

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Its like the AA support group. There isn't a good GM around who if they even have the slightest desire to remove Judge will take this job.

Are you open to the idea of being wrong? Whichever GM comes here isn't signing a 1 year deal. IF there are strings attached "Judge being here in 2022" that simply means its a 1 year audition for Judge - not ideal, but not the end of the world either.

You are already concluding that whoever we hire isn't good (with Judge here).