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Could this be about Judge's contract ?

Ron from Ninerland : 1/11/2022 3:29 pm
After Reeve's second year there was a lot of agitation to fire him. According the the scuttlebutt back then one of Mara or Tisch wanted him out, the other didn't want to eat his contract. As a result he stayed.


I wouldn't put it past the Giants to be agonizing over the same thing. They've got to know that if they don't show him the door now, the new GM will in 2023. Is it possible that they're leaving Judge in limbo with the hopes he quits and gets another job on his own ? Are they waiting for the Patriots season to end to see if Little Bill takes him back ?

The game of chicken could be working both ways. If the reports that Judge stated that he wants Abrams for GM are true, then the only reason I can think for him to be running his mouth off is that he's hoping to get fired, pocket his 2022 $ and move on.
I just think Mara doesn't want to do it for perception  
mphbullet36 : 1/11/2022 3:31 pm : link
of firing 3rd consecutive coach in 2 years. He would rather put that on the GM because he is passive aggressive about it. At the end of the day if JJ is fired I wont care because whats done is done but Mara not doing it is kinda a bitch move.
Well WTF  
Simms11 : 1/11/2022 3:36 pm : link
did they give him a 5 year deal?! Who’s fault was that!
Judge is not walking away from 15 million......NFW  
George from PA : 1/11/2022 3:39 pm : link
I still contend that smart move for any new GM is to keep Judge....it appeases owner, Judge basicly gives New GM a free year.....to assess roster, gives GM time to get his people in place....as of now, Any new GM will need to rely of DG people for draft/FA.

A hunt for coaches and staff is going on right now....in 2 weeks.....you will are late to the game.

sorry to disappoint the BBI....but it makes too much sense to keep Judge....at least for another year.
RE: Judge is not walking away from 15 million......NFW  
clatterbuck : 1/11/2022 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15546225 George from PA said:
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I still contend that smart move for any new GM is to keep Judge....it appeases owner, Judge basicly gives New GM a free year.....to assess roster, gives GM time to get his people in place....as of now, Any new GM will need to rely of DG people for draft/FA.

A hunt for coaches and staff is going on right now....in 2 weeks.....you will are late to the game.

sorry to disappoint the BBI....but it makes too much sense to keep Judge....at least for another year.


A likely scenario unless a GM has an understanding with a HC candidate (e.g. Schoen/Daboll).
When I was a teenager in the 70s, I'd complain  
81_Great_Dane : 1/11/2022 3:48 pm : link
that the Maras were cheap. My father would correct me. It's not that Wellington Mara was cheap, exactly, he'd say. He was willing to spend money. He just spent it badly.

I feel like we're in a similar cycle. It's not that the owners won't spend money, it's that they keep spending it badly. Bad contracts for players and the HC that make it feel profligate to fix the problems. It's not the solutions that are profligate; it's the bad moves that put the organization in this position. Bad players, bad scouting, bad fan relations, bad stadium, no cap space, budget stretched thin.

The team is worth billions but it's still run like a 2nd-rate mom-and-pop grocery store that stood still while Wegmans took most of its customers.
No  
TyreeHelmet : 1/11/2022 3:49 pm : link
You honestly think Joe Judge would quit and look for another job? If he was available he wouldn't get one interview. He might not even get a ST coordinator job at this point.
Splitting hairs but I think it was after the 3rd year  
Blue Dream : 1/11/2022 4:29 pm : link
That they wanted Reeves out. There was a lot of good feeling after winning six on a row with an undermanned roster to finish 1994 even though they missed the playoffs
do we even know what his contract looks like?  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2022 4:31 pm : link
are all coaching contracts fully guaranteed? Do they have stipulations? I honestly don't know. But I don't see Judge or any coach just walking away from money so that part of the equation is off the table.
Why the F would he quit?  
Matt M. : 1/11/2022 4:38 pm : link
This could very likely be the only NFL HC job he will ever get. He isn't quitting it.
RE: Judge is not walking away from 15 million......NFW  
widmerseyebrow : 1/11/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15546225 George from PA said:
Quote:
I still contend that smart move for any new GM is to keep Judge....it appeases owner, Judge basicly gives New GM a free year.....to assess roster, gives GM time to get his people in place....as of now, Any new GM will need to rely of DG people for draft/FA.

A hunt for coaches and staff is going on right now....in 2 weeks.....you will are late to the game.

sorry to disappoint the BBI....but it makes too much sense to keep Judge....at least for another year.


I think this "free year" idea is a fan based myth.

1. There are no free years in the NFL. If we suck for two more years, no one will be saying he gets a pass for the Judge year. The heat will be on.

2. How does one build a roster around a truly lame duck coach and his schemes while staying flexible for the next coach? You don't. This completely ignores the synergy between coach/scheme and front office in picking players that fit.
You can't really build a roster next year anyway  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 4:52 pm : link
It's a "take your medicine"

You can lay groundwork but these contracts and players have to go.
"Take your medicine" season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 4:53 pm : link
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Have him clean toilets at the stadium  
Giants73 : 1/11/2022 5:04 pm : link
Don’t have to let him coach. He embarrassed this team, embarrass him. Make him quit.
They have eaten contracts before  
dancing blue bear : 1/11/2022 5:14 pm : link
I don't think it is about the money.

They gave him 5 years because they realized that firing coaches every 2 years is counterproductive.

They realized that they needed to be patient with coaches, particularly young/ 1st time coaches.

Those are not nec. reasons to keep him, if they don't believe in him. Then you have to move on.

I was listening to kirwin yesterday, he was saying that 2nd coaches should get 3 years, and if you hire these young guys they should get 5. Now, that seems like a lot, but that was his opinion.

To this extent, I agree that if you are not going to be patient, then just hire someone who has been a HC in the NFL before, and stop with the fresh young mind thing
RE: They have eaten contracts before  
Giants73 : 1/11/2022 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15546422 dancing blue bear said:
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I don't think it is about the money.

They gave him 5 years because they realized that firing coaches every 2 years is counterproductive.

They realized that they needed to be patient with coaches, particularly young/ 1st time coaches.

Those are not nec. reasons to keep him, if they don't believe in him. Then you have to move on.

I was listening to kirwin yesterday, he was saying that 2nd coaches should get 3 years, and if you hire these young guys they should get 5. Now, that seems like a lot, but that was his opinion.

To this extent, I agree that if you are not going to be patient, then just hire someone who has been a HC in the NFL before, and stop with the fresh young mind thing


What coach gets to suck for 4 years. Patience is one thing when you see improvement. Players represent their coach, he is teaching the players to be afraid and quit, by his own actions.
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