Judge embarrassed both the organization and the NFL with the back to back QB sneaks on Sunday. He further embarrassed the organization with that 11 minute rant after the Bears loss when he was talking about the team quitting under Shurmur (golf clubs in locker room) and "Vegas paying out early" on Giants games
"You play to win the game.. nobody wants to be part of kneeling the shit out to take a tie. You know what would make me lose my mind almost as much as that.. goal line personnel & a QB sneak on 3rd & 9 on the -5"
the assessment, or lack thereof, of the team's talent also speaks for itself.
Team showed some heart least year and I thought they would have improved given the additions made. Hard to stick with the leadership that got us to where we are today regardless of injuries. 2021 was two steps back after a half step forward in 2020.
that someone losing their job just instantly put me in a good mood. Fuck, I was deflated yesterday. Let's wipe the slate. Redesign, Rebuild and Reclaim what was once Giants Pride.
I'll bet a few GM candidates made it clear that they didn't want him
He embarrassed the Giant organization.
So happy that we can move forward now.
I pray that JM allows the new GM to restructure the Giants football operations top to bottom.
I'm told Joe Judge's assistant sent a text to his coaches tonight relaying the news saying, "I'm sorry to send this text, but Joe called me and he was let go. If you are around tomorrow, be in the office at 9am and he will meet with his staff."
Ive had a decent start to the year. My kids are healthy, I have a date with a new smoking 37 year old hottie at borgata for 3 days 2 nights coming up. Got a decent raise and bonus, I am busy leasing stores. gettlemen was fired...this...this is the best news yet! We had to clean house and it didn't even count if we still had Judge. Now it's really underway and maybe...just maybe we can start from scratch and rebuild. The GM job becomes so much more coveted now and our head coach will be so much better than Judge simply because no one was worse. good times boys!
I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
I agree. In retrospect, despite the majority of the board being on board with the hire, Judge was the wrong hire and way over his skis in this dreadful situation.
Hopefully he gets a crack to coach a college program where I think he may be better suited.
Joe Judge has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the New York Giants, the team announced today.
"Steve (Tisch) and I both believe it is in the best interest of our franchise to move in another direction," said team president John Mara. "We met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization.
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision.
"We will hire a general manager and that person will lead the effort to hire a new head coach."
On Monday, senior vice president and general manager Dave Gettleman announced his retirement following a 35-year career in the National Football League.
Mara and Tisch have already started the search for a general manager. Candidates will be announced after each interview is completed.
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara upon Gettleman's retirement. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
Added Tisch, "It is an understatement to say John and I are disappointed by the lack of success we have had on the field. We are united in our commitment to find a general manager who will provide the direction necessary for us to achieve the on-field performance and results we all expect."
and force ownership to commit to him or fire him? Kind of an odd about-face, unless the beats were wrong about the Mara's leaving the decision to the new GM.
What leverage would Judge have? He was under contract for 3 more years and clearly didn’t do anything in his first 2 to earn more control.
in the sense that a LOT of the problems with this organization predated him and go all the way back to the Coughlin era. A lot of the problems also have the last name Mara and Tisch.
I was one of the few people who HATED the hire, but I must admit I was fully on board after last season. Judge simply did a horrendous job this season in the things he’s fully in control of. Then he began this pattern of excuse making (e.g. headsets) and blame deflecting was was antithetical to the man I thought he was. Ultimately, the product on the field was unacceptable. The two QB sneaks were one of the lowest points in franchise history. He HAD to go after that embarrassment.
I hope for his sake that he gets another shot. He’s a young man. Best of luck to him.
I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
Agreed! While I wanted the change, I feel bad for Judge and I think he could be successful if given another chance. It just wasn't in the cards this go round.
Time is critical.
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So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.
i must if missed the part where they hired a new coach
You also missed your shift key and learning "must HAVE" not "must if" but there's room for improvement.
I wonder if that put Mara over the edge
Exactly. Couldn’t leave things in limbo and still appeal to a lot of GM candidates.
Team showed some heart least year and I thought they would have improved given the additions made. Hard to stick with the leadership that got us to where we are today regardless of injuries. 2021 was two steps back after a half step forward in 2020.
I think they've already talked to a few candidates and had to of been told this had to happen but I never thought they would do it
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
that someone losing their job just instantly put me in a good mood. Fuck, I was deflated yesterday. Let's wipe the slate. Redesign, Rebuild and Reclaim what was once Giants Pride.
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I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
He just wasn't ready. Hes definitely a coach at some level.
So happy that we can move forward now.
I pray that JM allows the new GM to restructure the Giants football operations top to bottom.
Buh Bye Bozo Joe !!!
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
Thanks for sharing that. I have no ill will towards him, it just didn't work out.
agree completely. I don't lament the firing. I just cringe at some of the grave-dancing that goes on a lot of the time.
(and yeah, I do get it. message board, enthused fans, etc)
But i try to stay tethered to the earth on these types of things.
But the head coach is responsible for the offense, and that was as bad a two season run of offense you'll ever see.
One day versus two days doesn't really make much of a difference when the same thing happened in the end...
Most likely none of the GM candidates wanted to work with Judge so Mara had no choice
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
I agree. In retrospect, despite the majority of the board being on board with the hire, Judge was the wrong hire and way over his skis in this dreadful situation.
Hopefully he gets a crack to coach a college program where I think he may be better suited.
"Steve (Tisch) and I both believe it is in the best interest of our franchise to move in another direction," said team president John Mara. "We met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization.
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision.
"We will hire a general manager and that person will lead the effort to hire a new head coach."
On Monday, senior vice president and general manager Dave Gettleman announced his retirement following a 35-year career in the National Football League.
Mara and Tisch have already started the search for a general manager. Candidates will be announced after each interview is completed.
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara upon Gettleman's retirement. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
Added Tisch, "It is an understatement to say John and I are disappointed by the lack of success we have had on the field. We are united in our commitment to find a general manager who will provide the direction necessary for us to achieve the on-field performance and results we all expect."
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So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
What leverage would Judge have? He was under contract for 3 more years and clearly didn’t do anything in his first 2 to earn more control.
I was one of the few people who HATED the hire, but I must admit I was fully on board after last season. Judge simply did a horrendous job this season in the things he’s fully in control of. Then he began this pattern of excuse making (e.g. headsets) and blame deflecting was was antithetical to the man I thought he was. Ultimately, the product on the field was unacceptable. The two QB sneaks were one of the lowest points in franchise history. He HAD to go after that embarrassment.
I hope for his sake that he gets another shot. He’s a young man. Best of luck to him.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
Agreed! While I wanted the change, I feel bad for Judge and I think he could be successful if given another chance. It just wasn't in the cards this go round.
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
I wonder if they want to get in on the Brian Flores sweepstakes.
Did Judge mandate involvement in GM decision or some kind of powerplay?
Or massive negative feedback?
Why not wait for GM after yesterday....something happened
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
Interesting. Where did you hear that from??
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
Thanks for sharing that. I have no ill will towards him, it just didn't work out.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
And Giants shouldn’t have hired someone not ready to be an NFL head coach.