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ajr2456 : 1/11/2022 5:29 pm
Per his sources
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I never in a million years thought Ownership  
montanagiant : 1/11/2022 5:37 pm : link
Had the balls to do this
He couldn't 11 minute rant outta this one  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 5:37 pm : link
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Done and done.  
johnnyb : 1/11/2022 5:37 pm : link
Maybe Mara has been reading BBI.
Mara confirms in a statement  
nygiants16 : 1/11/2022 5:37 pm : link
the new GM will lead the search for a new HC
YES!  
HMunster : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
Now Jints Central...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
needs to pull all-nighters to narrow this GM search, find the right GM, and then let said GM start his HC search ASAP.

Time is critical.

Mara had no choice  
dpinzow : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
Judge embarrassed both the organization and the NFL with the back to back QB sneaks on Sunday. He further embarrassed the organization with that 11 minute rant after the Bears loss when he was talking about the team quitting under Shurmur (golf clubs in locker room) and "Vegas paying out early" on Giants games
RE: RE: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15546490 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15546471 mikeinbloomfield said:


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So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.



i must if missed the part where they hired a new coach

You also missed your shift key and learning "must HAVE" not "must if" but there's room for improvement.
Aaron Rodgers  
sphinx : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
"You play to win the game.. nobody wants to be part of kneeling the shit out to take a tie. You know what would make me lose my mind almost as much as that.. goal line personnel & a QB sneak on 3rd & 9 on the -5"

I wonder if that put Mara over the edge

RE: Had to be done  
jeff57 : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15546520 five5 said:
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Before interview process. Would have impacted alot of potential candidates


Exactly. Couldn’t leave things in limbo and still appeal to a lot of GM candidates.
The team's performance speaks for itself  
Mark from Jersey : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
the assessment, or lack thereof, of the team's talent also speaks for itself.

Team showed some heart least year and I thought they would have improved given the additions made. Hard to stick with the leadership that got us to where we are today regardless of injuries. 2021 was two steps back after a half step forward in 2020.
RE: Had to be done  
montanagiant : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15546520 five5 said:
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Before interview process. Would have impacted alot of potential candidates

I think they've already talked to a few candidates and had to of been told this had to happen but I never thought they would do it
for what it's worth  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2022 5:38 pm : link
I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
Had to be done  
Essex : 1/11/2022 5:39 pm : link
Thinking of Joe Judge. made me so angry
I'm ashamed to admit  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/11/2022 5:39 pm : link

that someone losing their job just instantly put me in a good mood. Fuck, I was deflated yesterday. Let's wipe the slate. Redesign, Rebuild and Reclaim what was once Giants Pride.
I'll bet a few GM candidates made it clear that they didn't want him  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2022 5:40 pm : link
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Official tweet from the Giants  
Mad Mike : 1/11/2022 5:40 pm : link
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Hooray!  
Knineteen : 1/11/2022 5:40 pm : link
Now we have a shit team and shit owners with no GM and no HC! Progress, I suppose.
Some people can be terrific individuals  
JonC : 1/11/2022 5:40 pm : link
and also do what they must in order to be successful, no matter how ugly.
RE: for what it's worth  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15546543 bigbluehoya said:
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.


He just wasn't ready. Hes definitely a coach at some level.
Yes!!  
GF1080 : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
Yes!!!!!
Judge imploded 2 weeks ago  
Rick in Dallas : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
He embarrassed the Giant organization.
So happy that we can move forward now.
I pray that JM allows the new GM to restructure the Giants football operations top to bottom.
Maybe we can retain him  
Bill in UT : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
as OC. I loved the offense this year
Coward til the end  
ajr2456 : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
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I'm told Joe Judge's assistant sent a text to his coaches tonight relaying the news saying, "I'm sorry to send this text, but Joe called me and he was let go. If you are around tomorrow, be in the office at 9am and he will meet with his staff."
One Day (Or Maybe One Week) Too Late  
Trainmaster : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
but I'll take it!

Buh Bye Bozo Joe !!!
RE: for what it's worth  
Section331 : 1/11/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15546543 bigbluehoya said:
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.


Thanks for sharing that. I have no ill will towards him, it just didn't work out.
by far...by far this is the best news ive heard all year.  
bluetothegrave : 1/11/2022 5:42 pm : link
Ive had a decent start to the year. My kids are healthy, I have a date with a new smoking 37 year old hottie at borgata for 3 days 2 nights coming up. Got a decent raise and bonus, I am busy leasing stores. gettlemen was fired...this...this is the best news yet! We had to clean house and it didn't even count if we still had Judge. Now it's really underway and maybe...just maybe we can start from scratch and rebuild. The GM job becomes so much more coveted now and our head coach will be so much better than Judge simply because no one was worse. good times boys!
RE: Some people can be terrific individuals  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15546553 JonC said:
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and also do what they must in order to be successful, no matter how ugly.


agree completely. I don't lament the firing. I just cringe at some of the grave-dancing that goes on a lot of the time.

(and yeah, I do get it. message board, enthused fans, etc)

But i try to stay tethered to the earth on these types of things.
Sad how quick it all fell to pieces  
JB_in_DC : 1/11/2022 5:42 pm : link
The Seahawks win was a little over 13 months ago and I think a lot of us felt like that signaled Judge had a promising future.

But the head coach is responsible for the offense, and that was as bad a two season run of offense you'll ever see.
RE: of course it took them two  
dpinzow : 1/11/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15546488 Enzo said:
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days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.


One day versus two days doesn't really make much of a difference when the same thing happened in the end...

Most likely none of the GM candidates wanted to work with Judge so Mara had no choice
RE: for what it's worth  
bw in dc : 1/11/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15546543 bigbluehoya said:
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.


I agree. In retrospect, despite the majority of the board being on board with the hire, Judge was the wrong hire and way over his skis in this dreadful situation.

Hopefully he gets a crack to coach a college program where I think he may be better suited.
Giants.com story up  
FranknWeezer : 1/11/2022 5:43 pm : link
This wasn't just thrown together 5 minutes ago...

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Joe Judge has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the New York Giants, the team announced today.

"Steve (Tisch) and I both believe it is in the best interest of our franchise to move in another direction," said team president John Mara. "We met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization.

"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision.

"We will hire a general manager and that person will lead the effort to hire a new head coach."

On Monday, senior vice president and general manager Dave Gettleman announced his retirement following a 35-year career in the National Football League.

Mara and Tisch have already started the search for a general manager. Candidates will be announced after each interview is completed.

"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara upon Gettleman's retirement. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."

Added Tisch, "It is an understatement to say John and I are disappointed by the lack of success we have had on the field. We are united in our commitment to find a general manager who will provide the direction necessary for us to achieve the on-field performance and results we all expect."

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RE: Grain of salt  
Rave7 : 1/11/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15546512 ajr2456 said:
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.

So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
Thank you  
PaulN : 1/11/2022 5:43 pm : link
Impossible to move forward with that misfit.
RE: I wonder if Judge tried to make a power play  
Scuzzlebutt : 1/11/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15546515 Section331 said:
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and force ownership to commit to him or fire him? Kind of an odd about-face, unless the beats were wrong about the Mara's leaving the decision to the new GM.


What leverage would Judge have? He was under contract for 3 more years and clearly didn’t do anything in his first 2 to earn more control.
I feel bad for Judge  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 5:44 pm : link
in the sense that a LOT of the problems with this organization predated him and go all the way back to the Coughlin era. A lot of the problems also have the last name Mara and Tisch.

I was one of the few people who HATED the hire, but I must admit I was fully on board after last season. Judge simply did a horrendous job this season in the things he’s fully in control of. Then he began this pattern of excuse making (e.g. headsets) and blame deflecting was was antithetical to the man I thought he was. Ultimately, the product on the field was unacceptable. The two QB sneaks were one of the lowest points in franchise history. He HAD to go after that embarrassment.

I hope for his sake that he gets another shot. He’s a young man. Best of luck to him.
RE: for what it's worth  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/11/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15546543 bigbluehoya said:
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.


Agreed! While I wanted the change, I feel bad for Judge and I think he could be successful if given another chance. It just wasn't in the cards this go round.
Sticky This Baby!  
Trainmaster : 1/11/2022 5:45 pm : link
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RE: RE: Grain of salt  
ajr2456 : 1/11/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15546578 Rave7 said:
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In comment 15546512 ajr2456 said:


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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.


So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.


They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
Here is to  
Nick in LA : 1/11/2022 5:45 pm : link
No more punts on 4th and short from the opposite 40. Or QB snaeks on 3rd and 9! What a pussy he was.
RE: I'll bet a few GM candidates made it clear that they didn't want him  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15546548 PatersonPlank said:
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I wonder if they want to get in on the Brian Flores sweepstakes.
Firing him was the easy move.....  
George from PA : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
Curious what happened between yesterday and this afternoon?

Did Judge mandate involvement in GM decision or some kind of powerplay?

Or massive negative feedback?

Why not wait for GM after yesterday....something happened

Ok bring on Schoen,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
With Daboll and Dorsey.
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Go Terps : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
He should have taken the Mississippi State job instead of walking into Gettleman's burning building. Probably better suited for college.

Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
RE: RE: RE: Grain of salt  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15546589 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15546578 Rave7 said:


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In comment 15546512 ajr2456 said:


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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.


So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.



They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.


Interesting. Where did you hear that from??
I live within a couple of miles  
johnnyb : 1/11/2022 5:46 pm : link
of both Judge and Gettleman. Two houses up for sale in sellers’ market.
RE: RE: for what it's worth  
Mark from Jersey : 1/11/2022 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15546564 Section331 said:
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In comment 15546543 bigbluehoya said:


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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.

I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.

I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.



Thanks for sharing that. I have no ill will towards him, it just didn't work out.
I feel the same way. No ill will.
Wow!  
madeinstars : 1/11/2022 5:47 pm : link
Best I've felt about the team in a while
Woohoo!  
Gmen703 : 1/11/2022 5:48 pm : link
Cracking open a 6-pack of Pepsi for this one.
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jeff57 : 1/11/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15546598 Go Terps said:
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He should have taken the Mississippi State job instead of walking into Gettleman's burning building. Probably better suited for college.

Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.


And Giants shouldn’t have hired someone not ready to be an NFL head coach.
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