He should have taken the Mississippi State job instead of walking into Gettleman's burning building. Probably better suited for college.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
He should’ve taken the Giants job untethered to a terrible coordinator like Jason Garrett. He got to choose his DC and made a solid hire. He should’ve told Mara that he needed to sink or swim with his own people.
Joe Judge has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the New York Giants, the team announced today.
"Steve (Tisch) and I both believe it is in the best interest of our franchise to move in another direction," said team president John Mara. "We met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization.
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision.
"We will hire a general manager and that person will lead the effort to hire a new head coach."
On Monday, senior vice president and general manager Dave Gettleman announced his retirement following a 35-year career in the National Football League.
Mara and Tisch have already started the search for a general manager. Candidates will be announced after each interview is completed.
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara upon Gettleman's retirement. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
Added Tisch, "It is an understatement to say John and I are disappointed by the lack of success we have had on the field. We are united in our commitment to find a general manager who will provide the direction necessary for us to achieve the on-field performance and results we all expect."
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As someone who wrote news stories for a living, that could easily be done in five minutes. The last two thirds came from press releases yesterday.
I think he'd do well with recruiting and coaching younger people and his X's and O's knowledge could be put to better use.
For all of his knowledge of the game he seems to lack skills in strategy and being a tactician that he needs to either lesson the competition for or have coordinators that are both excellent in that regard.
He could probably be an NFL defensive coordinator too. Or like an assistant QC coach.
The only way he could succeed as an NFL head coach IMO is in a really good situation with a strong front office with excellent systems that could also convince him to drop his ego and play to his strengths.
But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
Oh good. I’m fine with Schoen if he’s good GM material but I hope he doesn’t bring Dabol or Frazier as our HC. They are good coordinators but I don’t know they are good HC.
its quite astonishing really. I think he was coming back. Then the PC. Then the pathetic game effort. Then the 2 QB sneaks. Dude really went off the rails.
RE: Greg hopefully he doesn't leave the building tomorrow
in the sense that a LOT of the problems with this organization predated him and go all the way back to the Coughlin era. A lot of the problems also have the last name Mara and Tisch.
I was one of the few people who HATED the hire, but I must admit I was fully on board after last season. Judge simply did a horrendous job this season in the things he’s fully in control of. Then he began this pattern of excuse making (e.g. headsets) and blame deflecting was was antithetical to the man I thought he was. Ultimately, the product on the field was unacceptable. The two QB sneaks were one of the lowest points in franchise history. He HAD to go after that embarrassment.
I hope for his sake that he gets another shot. He’s a young man. Best of luck to him.
Feel bad for a guy who did nothing and is walking away with millions. Any one on this board could have just as well.
I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
I agree. In retrospect, despite the majority of the board being on board with the hire, Judge was the wrong hire and way over his skis in this dreadful situation.
Hopefully he gets a crack to coach a college program where I think he may be better suited.
+1 I think a college head coach would be the way to go for him.
So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.
Technically they did. They simply removed an obstacle to allow the new GM to hit the ground running. Does it really matter if the new GM fired or retained JJ? It's done now let's move onto more important decisions.
He embarrassed the organization the last couple of months
And I thought made a critical mistake by firing Garrett mid season, a mistake both for football and political reasons.
I’d stress the human side of this. He wasn’t sufficiently qualified, walked into an awful and highly politicized situation, and gradually came unraveled. I’m sure it’s been incredibly painful for him. Hope he gets back on his feet and starts the next phase of his career soon.
to admit, I didn't think they'd do it. I thought at most they'd leave it to the next GM, and that they would be inclined to hire one who would at least agree to keep Judge for another year. I was wrong.
This means we will at least be able to interview the best GM candidates. We also have two top 10 picks.
I also agree that the Maras and their family members must renounce any involvement in football decisions. We have to hope that their willingness to fire Judge means they will do so.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
He reminds me of a Greg Schiano. I think he'd do well in college.
Well someone will take it, just not any of the highly regarded candidates.
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
He just wasn't ready. Hes definitely a coach at some level.
He'd probably turn Paramus Catholic into a powerhouse.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
He should’ve taken the Giants job untethered to a terrible coordinator like Jason Garrett. He got to choose his DC and made a solid hire. He should’ve told Mara that he needed to sink or swim with his own people.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
Narcissist...
A fresh start was needed.
Me too. But how a potential leader handles losing and adversity is pretty revealing. He failed the test
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
Interesting. Where did you hear that from??
It's been reported pretty widely at this point.
Not seeing any of Gettleman's white knights riding into this thread telling people how unclassy they're being. Strange.
Gettleman didn't force him to throw gasoline on the building, Judge did that all himself.
Judge did not demonstrate anything that he can be a head coach at any level.
I am very intrigued with Dorsey. The unsung hero with Josh Allen's development.
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Joe Judge has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the New York Giants, the team announced today.
"Steve (Tisch) and I both believe it is in the best interest of our franchise to move in another direction," said team president John Mara. "We met with Joe yesterday afternoon to discuss the state of the team. I met again with Joe this afternoon, and it was during that conversation I informed Joe of our decision. We appreciate Joe's efforts on behalf of the organization.
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision.
"We will hire a general manager and that person will lead the effort to hire a new head coach."
On Monday, senior vice president and general manager Dave Gettleman announced his retirement following a 35-year career in the National Football League.
Mara and Tisch have already started the search for a general manager. Candidates will be announced after each interview is completed.
"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara upon Gettleman's retirement. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."
Added Tisch, "It is an understatement to say John and I are disappointed by the lack of success we have had on the field. We are united in our commitment to find a general manager who will provide the direction necessary for us to achieve the on-field performance and results we all expect."
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As someone who wrote news stories for a living, that could easily be done in five minutes. The last two thirds came from press releases yesterday.
We have a chance to expedite the turnaround with new GM, new HC, and new QB.
For all of his knowledge of the game he seems to lack skills in strategy and being a tactician that he needs to either lesson the competition for or have coordinators that are both excellent in that regard.
He could probably be an NFL defensive coordinator too. Or like an assistant QC coach.
The only way he could succeed as an NFL head coach IMO is in a really good situation with a strong front office with excellent systems that could also convince him to drop his ego and play to his strengths.
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
So schoen has to be the front runner otherwise Mara would never fire Judge.
Power play begins.
They’ve been in back channel talks with Schoen for weeks.
Oh good. I’m fine with Schoen if he’s good GM material but I hope he doesn’t bring Dabol or Frazier as our HC. They are good coordinators but I don’t know they are good HC.
He won't be leaving the building, or entering it. Its a Zoom interview.
Banks has probably never even heard of half the guys we're interviewing.
I was one of the few people who HATED the hire, but I must admit I was fully on board after last season. Judge simply did a horrendous job this season in the things he’s fully in control of. Then he began this pattern of excuse making (e.g. headsets) and blame deflecting was was antithetical to the man I thought he was. Ultimately, the product on the field was unacceptable. The two QB sneaks were one of the lowest points in franchise history. He HAD to go after that embarrassment.
I hope for his sake that he gets another shot. He’s a young man. Best of luck to him.
Feel bad for a guy who did nothing and is walking away with millions. Any one on this board could have just as well.
Now they can go get the right GM and let him get his coach.
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He won't be leaving the building, or entering it. Its a Zoom interview.
zoom this you know what i meant
Feels like the right momentum for sure.
Need to accelerate this GM search.
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I know some people (who I trust) who know Judge personally, and by those accounts he's a tremendously good dude.
I won't dance on his grave, but I think this parting of ways was warranted.
I wish him luck. He stepped into a really dysfunctional situation here with a terrible GM. I think he can become a quality HC.
I agree. In retrospect, despite the majority of the board being on board with the hire, Judge was the wrong hire and way over his skis in this dreadful situation.
Hopefully he gets a crack to coach a college program where I think he may be better suited.
+1 I think a college head coach would be the way to go for him.
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No lame duck seasons. We can turn this around in a year in today's NFL.
We have a chance to expedite the turnaround with new GM, new HC, and new QB.
Indeed!
Well someone will take it, just not any of the highly regarded candidates.
Bingo
I respect banks but he is another Giants figure trapped in connections to Belichick
Hopefully he takes some time and evaluates lessons learned. At 40 he has ample time to rebound. Good luck Coach.
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Would take this job?. You get 2 years, and you have one of the bottom 5 rosters in the league.
Well someone will take it, just not any of the highly regarded candidates.
Bingo
Guess we should all pack it in then.
Good lord are you guys some big fucking babies.
Technically they did. They simply removed an obstacle to allow the new GM to hit the ground running. Does it really matter if the new GM fired or retained JJ? It's done now let's move onto more important decisions.
I’d stress the human side of this. He wasn’t sufficiently qualified, walked into an awful and highly politicized situation, and gradually came unraveled. I’m sure it’s been incredibly painful for him. Hope he gets back on his feet and starts the next phase of his career soon.
This means we will at least be able to interview the best GM candidates. We also have two top 10 picks.
I also agree that the Maras and their family members must renounce any involvement in football decisions. We have to hope that their willingness to fire Judge means they will do so.