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ajr2456 : 1/11/2022 5:29 pm
Per his sources
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Sounds like they have a GM lined up.  
Giant John : 1/11/2022 6:00 pm : link
But insisted he pick his coach?
RE: I was a Judge supporter  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/11/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15546467 myquealer said:
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until the last few weeks when he went completely off the rails.

A fresh start was needed.

+ infinity

I was a supporter until the cowardly taking-a-knee in the second quarter.

This guy should never again coach in the NFL.
The mob wins  
V.I.G. : 1/11/2022 6:01 pm : link
let's hope the new GM and HC don't reach for a QB
let's hope for the best
You know what, I'll give this to him  
NoGainDayne : 1/11/2022 6:01 pm : link
I've never had the thought about a coach before along the lines of.

I'd love to see an exit press conference where he had even less to lose than late in the season.
I love it when I’m right  
djm : 1/11/2022 6:01 pm : link
Told you (most) these writers don’t know shit.
Hire Flores  
RicFlair : 1/11/2022 6:01 pm : link
Get him.
If he didn't do the QB sneaks  
Jalapeno : 1/11/2022 6:01 pm : link
would he still have a job here?

Best of luck to him and his future.
ultimately this is irrelevant but  
Enzo : 1/11/2022 6:02 pm : link
letting him meet with the players yesterday as if it was business as usual was certainly an interesting way to handle things.
RE: They had to eject  
djm : 1/11/2022 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15546476 JonC said:
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2021 was a disaster across the board including JJ.


It was even worse than 2003 and 2017. Mind boggling to even think that.
RE: Tough profession  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15546704 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Almost impossible at this level without enough good talent.

Hopefully he takes some time and evaluates lessons learned. At 40 he has ample time to rebound. Good luck Coach.



There's a story to be told about how he could manage 2020 so well and utterly fall apart in 2021
RE: Got  
bw in dc : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15546717 AcidTest said:
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to admit, I didn't think they'd do it. I thought at most they'd leave it to the next GM, and that they would be inclined to hire one who would at least agree to keep Judge for another year. I was wrong.



I'm right there with you. I'm a bit stunned. Wonder what the turning point was in this saga.
New BBI Homepage Photo  
Trainmaster : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
Giants had to do this.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
Had to. There was no way JJ could survive.
RE: RE: I feel bad for Judge  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15546672 Giants73 said:
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Feel bad for a guy who did nothing and is walking away with millions. Any one on this board could have just as well.


Money is irrelevant to this conversation. People need to be put in position to succeed by their superiors. The organization has now failed four consecutive coaches after saddling them with many of the exact same problems. Judge needed to go, but he was swimming against the current the entire time.
This is some Boss level shit:  
Red Right Hand : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."

John Mara
Gotta wonder if this is Schoen related  
Sean : 1/11/2022 6:03 pm : link
Given the Bears just requested to interview him.
Can we please get a coach  
give66 : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
That knows when the f to take timeouts?
RE: The mob wins  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15546725 V.I.G. said:
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let's hope the new GM and HC don't reach for a QB
let's hope for the best

If the mob is responsible for this then you should be thanking the mob and never letting them buy a beer for themselves for the rest of their lives
RE: Maybe  
FStubbs : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15546657 cjac said:
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Mara isn't the nutless spineless Casper milquetoast soy boy beta cuck that we thought he was.


Or probably literally every candidate they've had preliminary discussions with have recommended Judge be fired, so Mara realized he had to do it.
Breaking on ESPN right now  
markky : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
Long segment.
RE: I was mildly optimistic about the hire at the time  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15546627 Greg from LI said:
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And even his first season was okay enough, given the weakness of the roster. However, this season was an unmitigated disaster.


I feel the same way. The last few weeks just showed he was cracking. I hope he finds something more suitable to him.
Or Maybe This  
Trainmaster : 1/11/2022 6:04 pm : link
They just brought a whole lot  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/11/2022 6:05 pm : link
of fans back!!

Great day!! To a new start everyone!

Cheers!
RE: Gotta wonder if this is Schoen related  
ajr2456 : 1/11/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15546749 Sean said:
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Given the Bears just requested to interview him.


It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture
RE: If he didn't do the QB sneaks  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15546733 Jalapeno said:
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would he still have a job here?

Best of luck to him and his future.


It happened and he can’t take that loser shit back. There was just no way he could come back.
RE: This is some Boss level shit:  
FStubbs : 1/11/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15546746 Red Right Hand said:
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"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."

John Mara


So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?
RE: RE: They had to eject  
Enzo : 1/11/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15546736 djm said:
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In comment 15546476 JonC said:


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2021 was a disaster across the board including JJ.



It was even worse than 2003 and 2017. Mind boggling to even think that.

I dunno. 2003 was pretty rough.
I admit that I bought in to Judge  
Matt in SGS : 1/11/2022 6:06 pm : link
I really thought he was going to be the right guy. He said all the right things. Had the mentorship. I didn't even mind the special teams coach thing and thought that could be a positive. But similar to Handley and McAdoo, he never read the room. There is a way to deal with the team and the press and the way the team had injuries, but he came apart late in the season. The culture nonsense. Calling out a respected coach like Ron Rivera. All these things snowballed on him. Now, it's not all his fault, but he didn't help himself.

Last night on my BigBlueVCR account, posted the Ray Handley fight with Russ Salzberg. Russ said that Judge wasn't Handley, but the point was mainly was that incident happened midway in 1991. He came back in 1992 and it was a shitshow of Ray Must Go all season. It would have been Joe Must Go every game. He lost the fans, he lost the media, and it sounded like he was losing his team.

I'm 100% ok with the Giants just stripping it all down in 2022 and start it all over next year to build towards 2023 with a new coach and GM ,and likely a new QB.

This was needed, it sucks but years of half measures caught up with them. This is a good day for the NY future.
Don't like firing coaches every 2 years  
bluepepper : 1/11/2022 6:06 pm : link
but probably the best move with a new GM coming in. We should have fired DG with Shurmur as it was obvious he didn't know how to build a team in today's NFL. I guess they weren't ready to clean house. Now, hopefully they bring in an outsider, let him pick the coach and transform the front office. And yes, they have to give the new guy time. Fans need to show some patience as well.
RE: of course it took them two  
Red Right Hand : 1/11/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15546488 Enzo said:
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days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.
This is a business. Season ended Sunday. They met with judge Monday. Owners met and discussed today, and met again and fired him this afternoon. It's all good, dude, don't make more of it than it is.
The last 6 games made it almost impossible for Mara/Tisch  
M.S. : 1/11/2022 6:07 pm : link

to bring back Joe Judge for another season.

I wish Joe Judge all the best of luck in the future.
RE: RE: This is some Boss level shit:  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2022 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15546771 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15546746 Red Right Hand said:


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"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."

John Mara



So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?


It's not the losing that did him in, it's the embarrassment. They would have pinned the losses on injuries. The embarrassment was impossible to dismiss.
I think the story is one of an abundance of false confidence  
NoGainDayne : 1/11/2022 6:08 pm : link
IMO the headset thing was both the first crack in his composure as well as an accelerant.

The more the heat turned up on him the more he turtled up on the field. And overcompensated for that turtling off the field. As it is he was too big of a turtle. The solution to having a struggling offense is not to be incredibly conservative, not unless your defense is WAY better than the one he had.
RE: If it quiets the negative bitching in this fanbase, Id support it  
japanhead : 1/11/2022 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15546517 NoPeanutz said:
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10000%. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the bitching is just getting started.


"negative bitching"?? have you seen this team over the last six years?

the only thing worse than "negative bitching" are those who bitch about negative bitching
I wonder if John Mara  
Mayo2JZ : 1/11/2022 6:11 pm : link
ever called BB and said "Bill, WTF?!!"
Well for posterity  
HewlettGiant : 1/11/2022 6:11 pm : link
I have to contribute to this thread.

Not disappointing at all.
RE: Who the hell would take this job?  
David B. : 1/11/2022 6:11 pm : link
Who the hell would sign Antonio Brown?

The next fucking team that does. And one will. Because everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.

TONS of people would take the Giants jobs. Whether they're any good is a different matter. But it's a prestige job. And everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.
RE: Interesting......  
Red Right Hand : 1/11/2022 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15546500 Kev in Cali said:
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Why the extra day of drama?
The owners had to meet and discuss, as they do AFTER the end of EVERY season, and they had those discussions AFTER they heard from judge at HIS year end meeting. Don't look for shit just for the sake of finding shit.
RE: The last 6 games made it almost impossible for Mara/Tisch  
AcidTest : 1/11/2022 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15546788 M.S. said:
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to bring back Joe Judge for another season.

I wish Joe Judge all the best of luck in the future.


^This.
RE: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2022 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15546471 mikeinbloomfield said:
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So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.


I don’t get what you mean by this? They removed Judge to send the signal to all GM candidates that they will not be forcing Judge onto the next GM, I.e. it will be up to the next GM who the coach is. By leaving Judge in it likely was limiting the pool of candidates willing to take the job.

Hey if the next GM comes in and says “actually Judge should be the coach” I bet Joe will be happy to come on back. But I doubt that will happen.
RE: Hire Flores  
Simms11 : 1/11/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15546732 RicFlair said:
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Get him.


I think he’d have to be one of the guys that’ll get an interview in a few weeks. He’s from the area too and I’ve seen comments that he’d love to Coach here, but I take those supposed comments with a grain of salt.
RE: RE: Gotta wonder if this is Schoen related  
AcidTest : 1/11/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15546766 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15546749 Sean said:


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Given the Bears just requested to interview him.



It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture


Not surprised. Mara was likely told by nearly every GM candidate that they wouldn't interview for the job unless Judge was fired first.
Mara is not that cheap  
Arkbach : 1/11/2022 6:14 pm : link
after all.
RE: RE: RE: Gotta wonder if this is Schoen related  
Simms11 : 1/11/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15546834 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15546766 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 15546749 Sean said:


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Given the Bears just requested to interview him.



It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture



Not surprised. Mara was likely told by nearly every GM candidate that they wouldn't interview for the job unless Judge was fired first.


Could be very true.
RE: I wonder what happened between  
Red Right Hand : 1/11/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15546508 Mike from Ohio said:
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yesterday's meeting with Mara and Tisch and today to make this happen? All eight GM candidates said "I am only talking to you if firing Judge is on the table?"
What happened was Mara and Tisch had their own meeting today after they spoke to judge yesterday, just like they are supposed to. Or did you think they should have had the discussion with Judge in the room?
Great News Two Days in a Row  
giantstock : 1/11/2022 6:15 pm : link
Gettlemen and Judge did everything they could to insult the fans while the losing kept mounting.

Good riddance to them and their arrogance.
RE: RE: of course it took them two  
Enzo : 1/11/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15546781 Red Right Hand said:
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In comment 15546488 Enzo said:


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days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.

This is a business. Season ended Sunday. They met with judge Monday. Owners met and discussed today, and met again and fired him this afternoon. It's all good, dude, don't make more of it than it is.

thanks for pointing out when the season ended, lol. I wonder how the teams that managed to fire their coaches before lunch yesterday managed to pull off such a difficult trick!
RE: Mara is not that cheap  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15546841 Arkbach said:
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after all.


If a bowl cut moron like Mark Davis has 100 million to throw around for a coach, then Mara and Tisch should be just fine.
RE: RE: RE: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15546535 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15546490 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15546471 mikeinbloomfield said:


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So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.



i must if missed the part where they hired a new coach


You also missed your shift key and learning "must HAVE" not "must if" but there's room for improvement.


You’re really going to knock someone for using “i” instead of “I” on an Internet forum? … To what end?
RE: Grain of salt  
Red Right Hand : 1/11/2022 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15546512 ajr2456 said:
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But an agent for a number of NFL coaches said Scoen pressured this else he wouldn’t have taken the interview.
That's fine.
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