to admit, I didn't think they'd do it. I thought at most they'd leave it to the next GM, and that they would be inclined to hire one who would at least agree to keep Judge for another year. I was wrong.
I'm right there with you. I'm a bit stunned. Wonder what the turning point was in this saga.
Feel bad for a guy who did nothing and is walking away with millions. Any one on this board could have just as well.
Money is irrelevant to this conversation. People need to be put in position to succeed by their superiors. The organization has now failed four consecutive coaches after saddling them with many of the exact same problems. Judge needed to go, but he was swimming against the current the entire time.
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."
John Mara
So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?
I really thought he was going to be the right guy. He said all the right things. Had the mentorship. I didn't even mind the special teams coach thing and thought that could be a positive. But similar to Handley and McAdoo, he never read the room. There is a way to deal with the team and the press and the way the team had injuries, but he came apart late in the season. The culture nonsense. Calling out a respected coach like Ron Rivera. All these things snowballed on him. Now, it's not all his fault, but he didn't help himself.
Last night on my BigBlueVCR account, posted the Ray Handley fight with Russ Salzberg. Russ said that Judge wasn't Handley, but the point was mainly was that incident happened midway in 1991. He came back in 1992 and it was a shitshow of Ray Must Go all season. It would have been Joe Must Go every game. He lost the fans, he lost the media, and it sounded like he was losing his team.
I'm 100% ok with the Giants just stripping it all down in 2022 and start it all over next year to build towards 2023 with a new coach and GM ,and likely a new QB.
This was needed, it sucks but years of half measures caught up with them. This is a good day for the NY future.
but probably the best move with a new GM coming in. We should have fired DG with Shurmur as it was obvious he didn't know how to build a team in today's NFL. I guess they weren't ready to clean house. Now, hopefully they bring in an outsider, let him pick the coach and transform the front office. And yes, they have to give the new guy time. Fans need to show some patience as well.
days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.
This is a business. Season ended Sunday. They met with judge Monday. Owners met and discussed today, and met again and fired him this afternoon. It's all good, dude, don't make more of it than it is.
The last 6 games made it almost impossible for Mara/Tisch
"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."
John Mara
So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?
It's not the losing that did him in, it's the embarrassment. They would have pinned the losses on injuries. The embarrassment was impossible to dismiss.
I think the story is one of an abundance of false confidence
IMO the headset thing was both the first crack in his composure as well as an accelerant.
The more the heat turned up on him the more he turtled up on the field. And overcompensated for that turtling off the field. As it is he was too big of a turtle. The solution to having a struggling offense is not to be incredibly conservative, not unless your defense is WAY better than the one he had.
RE: If it quiets the negative bitching in this fanbase, Id support it
The next fucking team that does. And one will. Because everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.
TONS of people would take the Giants jobs. Whether they're any good is a different matter. But it's a prestige job. And everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.
The owners had to meet and discuss, as they do AFTER the end of EVERY season, and they had those discussions AFTER they heard from judge at HIS year end meeting. Don't look for shit just for the sake of finding shit.
RE: The last 6 games made it almost impossible for Mara/Tisch
So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.
I don’t get what you mean by this? They removed Judge to send the signal to all GM candidates that they will not be forcing Judge onto the next GM, I.e. it will be up to the next GM who the coach is. By leaving Judge in it likely was limiting the pool of candidates willing to take the job.
Hey if the next GM comes in and says “actually Judge should be the coach” I bet Joe will be happy to come on back. But I doubt that will happen.
I think he’d have to be one of the guys that’ll get an interview in a few weeks. He’s from the area too and I’ve seen comments that he’d love to Coach here, but I take those supposed comments with a grain of salt.
yesterday's meeting with Mara and Tisch and today to make this happen? All eight GM candidates said "I am only talking to you if firing Judge is on the table?"
What happened was Mara and Tisch had their own meeting today after they spoke to judge yesterday, just like they are supposed to. Or did you think they should have had the discussion with Judge in the room?
days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.
This is a business. Season ended Sunday. They met with judge Monday. Owners met and discussed today, and met again and fired him this afternoon. It's all good, dude, don't make more of it than it is.
thanks for pointing out when the season ended, lol. I wonder how the teams that managed to fire their coaches before lunch yesterday managed to pull off such a difficult trick!
A fresh start was needed.
+ infinity
I was a supporter until the cowardly taking-a-knee in the second quarter.
This guy should never again coach in the NFL.
let's hope for the best
I'd love to see an exit press conference where he had even less to lose than late in the season.
Best of luck to him and his future.
It was even worse than 2003 and 2017. Mind boggling to even think that.
Hopefully he takes some time and evaluates lessons learned. At 40 he has ample time to rebound. Good luck Coach.
There's a story to be told about how he could manage 2020 so well and utterly fall apart in 2021
I'm right there with you. I'm a bit stunned. Wonder what the turning point was in this saga.
Feel bad for a guy who did nothing and is walking away with millions. Any one on this board could have just as well.
Money is irrelevant to this conversation. People need to be put in position to succeed by their superiors. The organization has now failed four consecutive coaches after saddling them with many of the exact same problems. Judge needed to go, but he was swimming against the current the entire time.
John Mara
let's hope for the best
If the mob is responsible for this then you should be thanking the mob and never letting them buy a beer for themselves for the rest of their lives
Or probably literally every candidate they've had preliminary discussions with have recommended Judge be fired, so Mara realized he had to do it.
I feel the same way. The last few weeks just showed he was cracking. I hope he finds something more suitable to him.
Great day!! To a new start everyone!
Cheers!
It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture
Best of luck to him and his future.
It happened and he can’t take that loser shit back. There was just no way he could come back.
John Mara
So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?
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2021 was a disaster across the board including JJ.
It was even worse than 2003 and 2017. Mind boggling to even think that.
I dunno. 2003 was pretty rough.
Last night on my BigBlueVCR account, posted the Ray Handley fight with Russ Salzberg. Russ said that Judge wasn't Handley, but the point was mainly was that incident happened midway in 1991. He came back in 1992 and it was a shitshow of Ray Must Go all season. It would have been Joe Must Go every game. He lost the fans, he lost the media, and it sounded like he was losing his team.
I'm 100% ok with the Giants just stripping it all down in 2022 and start it all over next year to build towards 2023 with a new coach and GM ,and likely a new QB.
This was needed, it sucks but years of half measures caught up with them. This is a good day for the NY future.
to bring back Joe Judge for another season.
I wish Joe Judge all the best of luck in the future.
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"I said before the season started that I wanted to feel good about the direction we were headed when we played our last game of the season. Unfortunately, I cannot make that statement, which is why we have made this decision."
John Mara
So if Judge had acted like a professional the last week or so and won the game with Fromm, he'd be coming back next year?
It's not the losing that did him in, it's the embarrassment. They would have pinned the losses on injuries. The embarrassment was impossible to dismiss.
The more the heat turned up on him the more he turtled up on the field. And overcompensated for that turtling off the field. As it is he was too big of a turtle. The solution to having a struggling offense is not to be incredibly conservative, not unless your defense is WAY better than the one he had.
"negative bitching"?? have you seen this team over the last six years?
the only thing worse than "negative bitching" are those who bitch about negative bitching
Not disappointing at all.
The next fucking team that does. And one will. Because everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.
TONS of people would take the Giants jobs. Whether they're any good is a different matter. But it's a prestige job. And everyone thinks they can make a shit situation work even though others have failed.
to bring back Joe Judge for another season.
I wish Joe Judge all the best of luck in the future.
^This.
I don’t get what you mean by this? They removed Judge to send the signal to all GM candidates that they will not be forcing Judge onto the next GM, I.e. it will be up to the next GM who the coach is. By leaving Judge in it likely was limiting the pool of candidates willing to take the job.
Hey if the next GM comes in and says “actually Judge should be the coach” I bet Joe will be happy to come on back. But I doubt that will happen.
I think he’d have to be one of the guys that’ll get an interview in a few weeks. He’s from the area too and I’ve seen comments that he’d love to Coach here, but I take those supposed comments with a grain of salt.
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Given the Bears just requested to interview him.
It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture
Not surprised. Mara was likely told by nearly every GM candidate that they wouldn't interview for the job unless Judge was fired first.
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Given the Bears just requested to interview him.
It is. He wasn’t coming tomorrow without Judge out the picture
Not surprised. Mara was likely told by nearly every GM candidate that they wouldn't interview for the job unless Judge was fired first.
Could be very true.
Good riddance to them and their arrogance.
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days to figure out they had to make this move, lol.
This is a business. Season ended Sunday. They met with judge Monday. Owners met and discussed today, and met again and fired him this afternoon. It's all good, dude, don't make more of it than it is.
thanks for pointing out when the season ended, lol. I wonder how the teams that managed to fire their coaches before lunch yesterday managed to pull off such a difficult trick!
If a bowl cut moron like Mark Davis has 100 million to throw around for a coach, then Mara and Tisch should be just fine.
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So, leaving the decisions to the "football guy" don't include who the HC is. I am both delighted and a little annoyed.
i must if missed the part where they hired a new coach
You also missed your shift key and learning "must HAVE" not "must if" but there's room for improvement.
You’re really going to knock someone for using “i” instead of “I” on an Internet forum? … To what end?