than Ray Handley’s HCing stint. Just weird. Seemed like he was going to be a really good young coach and then wheels slowly came of the wagon; the wagon veered off the road, got out of control, and tumbled down a steep embankment.
That's funny and true!
.. and it reminds me of a time back in college..
I'm not a fan of the writer of the article linked just above
I disagree with his article and disagree with most of you. I like Joe Judge. I still think he could have been a successful HC. I think Belichick was correct he was better than the last two guys John Mara hired.
What would have happened if Joe Judge came to the Giants with a different GM than Dave Gettleman, what if John Mara had hired one of the people he's interviewing now when Judge was hired? What would have happened if a different OC than Jason Garrett ran the offense?
IMO the Giants would have won more than 10 games. The OL would have looked very different. There would be edge rushers on the roster. There wouldn't be two fullbacks and another handful of special teams first players on the roster, that was Judge's fault but a smart GM would not have allowed it. And then there's the QB play. Would a different GM have kept Daniel Jones on scholarship?
HC in the NFL is a skill set that seems to be pretty rare. It also seems to be very difficult to identify. How many good ones are there? A dozen? 15? I think under better circumstances Judge would have had a shot to be one of them.
Having said all of that I think the job of trying to remake the Giants organizational dysfunction by himself into something that could win the NFL broke him. He melted down and had to go after the way the 2nd half of the season played out on and off the field.
Hopefully he saved his money and has a good financial advisor. He's going to be paid 25 million dollars for his 33 games as HC NYG. He's a young guy but IMO he's going to go to the very back of the line for another job, and I'm not talking an HC job in the NFL.
What if anything is he going to be offered? Back to a ST coach? A college HC job? Take a year off? But sometimes when you take a year off you never get a chance to get back on the coaching carousel. I wish him well and wish it would have worked out better for him and for us.
"He's better than Shurmur or McAdoo" is not ringing praise
he has some growing up to do. Yeah, Gettlemen was terrible, but Judge did nothing to help himself and in the end, throwing temper tantrums from frustration speaks to immaturity.
I think they're a great way to follow the team. I listen to a lot them. The Giants Insider is what it is. Passionate fans with an internet "beat" writer who is a little more objective than Paul Dittino. But I think there's lots of good info and entertainment in each episode. IMO like most things media and entertainment there is some some bias and some agenda, pro Giants in this case. I think they are dependent on access to the 1925 Giants Way for their revenue stream so it makes sense to me.
The Giants podcast I highly recommend everyone listening to is The Giants Guys episode 63 with Leonard Marshall. I sports love Leonard. He's great in this interview IMO. I thought that some of what he says about the current NFL and guys the Giants should trade for (teams would never trade those players) isn't realistic or completely dialed in but the conversation on the his Giant history and Giants history in general are great and his take on the current team is pretty good too. After the dust settles on a new GM and coach I want some help here pushing him for the Giants Ring of Honor.
first season. I think coaching is really, really hard. You need a lot of things to go right.
Not sure I am seeing this right stuff comments. Giants were very undermanned at the end. Everyone saw that. He buckled under that pressure. Not sure that element ever leaves him wherever he coaches but again I wish him well. It is a heck of a hurdle to overcome.
what exactly did he have that was the right stuff in your view?
Exactly. Judge was the definition of style (his talk) over substance (his product).
Look, we all got fooled. I can see why Mara took was drawn in with Judge getting endorsed by BB and Saban.
But, as you know, interviewing is a process. And if executed correctly you should be able to narrow down the right people and get very close to the best hire. Hopefully the Giants are thinking about this for this opportunity and won't make the same mistakes again.
That's funny and true!
.. and it reminds me of a time back in college..
What would have happened if Joe Judge came to the Giants with a different GM than Dave Gettleman, what if John Mara had hired one of the people he's interviewing now when Judge was hired? What would have happened if a different OC than Jason Garrett ran the offense?
IMO the Giants would have won more than 10 games. The OL would have looked very different. There would be edge rushers on the roster. There wouldn't be two fullbacks and another handful of special teams first players on the roster, that was Judge's fault but a smart GM would not have allowed it. And then there's the QB play. Would a different GM have kept Daniel Jones on scholarship?
HC in the NFL is a skill set that seems to be pretty rare. It also seems to be very difficult to identify. How many good ones are there? A dozen? 15? I think under better circumstances Judge would have had a shot to be one of them.
Having said all of that I think the job of trying to remake the Giants organizational dysfunction by himself into something that could win the NFL broke him. He melted down and had to go after the way the 2nd half of the season played out on and off the field.
Hopefully he saved his money and has a good financial advisor. He's going to be paid 25 million dollars for his 33 games as HC NYG. He's a young guy but IMO he's going to go to the very back of the line for another job, and I'm not talking an HC job in the NFL.
What if anything is he going to be offered? Back to a ST coach? A college HC job? Take a year off? But sometimes when you take a year off you never get a chance to get back on the coaching carousel. I wish him well and wish it would have worked out better for him and for us.
To me, seeing someone devolve under pressure as he did. Throw people under the bus, lie, etc. Shows he was made up of the wrong stuff.
The Giants podcast I highly recommend everyone listening to is The Giants Guys episode 63 with Leonard Marshall. I sports love Leonard. He's great in this interview IMO. I thought that some of what he says about the current NFL and guys the Giants should trade for (teams would never trade those players) isn't realistic or completely dialed in but the conversation on the his Giant history and Giants history in general are great and his take on the current team is pretty good too. After the dust settles on a new GM and coach I want some help here pushing him for the Giants Ring of Honor.
Not sure I am seeing this right stuff comments. Giants were very undermanned at the end. Everyone saw that. He buckled under that pressure. Not sure that element ever leaves him wherever he coaches but again I wish him well. It is a heck of a hurdle to overcome.
And even that was not true.
Exactly. Judge was the definition of style (his talk) over substance (his product).
Look, we all got fooled. I can see why Mara took was drawn in with Judge getting endorsed by BB and Saban.
But, as you know, interviewing is a process. And if executed correctly you should be able to narrow down the right people and get very close to the best hire. Hopefully the Giants are thinking about this for this opportunity and won't make the same mistakes again.
I would sum this up by saying "he had one more win with one more game; big fucking deal"