with an easy schedule, a lot of free agency spending and a relatively easy schedule in 2016. Since he's the only one with a winning record (and made the playoffs), he's not on the bottom.
Shurmur seems to be another "great coordinator, poor head coach". Talent wise, he was the best of the three.
I think Shermer would have had a good chance of being good if not for the mess the roster was and Eli advanced age. Reese and Gettleman pretty much screwed any chance of success he had. I would take him over Macadoo and Judge without hesitation if those were my only choices....
It's clear he believed it was time to move on from Eli - and he was right about that - but the Maras still wanted Eli, either because they truly thought he could still do the job or they were afraid of the fans or both.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
Re. McAdoo...I wasn't opposed to benching Eli when he decided to go that route. What made me pissed was turning to Geno Fucking Smith instead of Webb. We knew what Geno was; we had no clue about Webb, who turned out to suck.
None were good head coaches. Shurmur probably had the worst roster, but at least at times the offense shined. Big Ben made it to the playoffs with unreal defensive play. It was bound to unravel, but we did make the playoffs as weak as that team was. All I can say is I thought Judge was the worst by a fair margin
The hair was sooooo fucking great. And his doofy platitudes... "protect the duke", "keep it between the ditches"... such a fucking tool.
McAdoo I feel like could have been a coach in some comedy football movie like The Replacements. He wouldn't need to act he could just walk right onto set.
Judge is more like someone from Any Given Sunday, also could walk right onto set. And honestly he would play a much better football coach than he was.
Shurmur would have gotten laughed out of auditions. I think he was probably the best of the 3 and I can't believe I'm saying that.
McAdoo is next best just because in the end I do believe he was less of a joke than Judge.
I've never seen someone in any pro sport look stupider than Joe Judge. I had low expectations of him and somehow each week he managed to find a new floor.
It's clear he believed it was time to move on from Eli - and he was right about that - but the Maras still wanted Eli, either because they truly thought he could still do the job or they were afraid of the fans or both.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
I completely agree that Mara threw McAdoo under the bus over the Eli benching fiasco, but he was already 2-9, and much of the team had tuned him out. I don’t know how tenable he was even if they kept him on.
I’ll agree that he was the best of a sorry, sorry bunch, so he was the prettiest ogre.
Re. McAdoo...I wasn't opposed to benching Eli when he decided to go that route. What made me pissed was turning to Geno Fucking Smith instead of Webb. We knew what Geno was; we had no clue about Webb, who turned out to suck.
But he did.. He was watching them practice and he knew one of them was a backup quality player who can manage behind a bad OL and the other was a horrendous player who wasn't meant for the NFL roster and just as a practice squad player..
All of them were given crappy OLs and ERs. It all starts in the trenches. Everything appears to be broken when you are consistently beat-up in the trenches. Give the next coach a dependable OL and pass rush, then the others issue will become more clear. Firing the H.C. ever two years is a symptom of a terribly run organization. We will now be on coaching staff #4 and front-office #3, if you want to know the root of this team's problem ask yourself what hasn't changed through all of this?
All of them were given crappy OLs and ERs. It all starts in the trenches. Everything appears to be broken when you are consistently beat-up in the trenches. Give the next coach a dependable OL and pass rush, then the others issue will become more clear. Firing the H.C. ever two years is a symptom of a terribly run organization. We will now be on coaching staff #4 and front-office #3, if you want to know the root of this team's problem ask yourself what hasn't changed through all of this?
It can't just be that.. I get it that during early part of last decade we didn't spend enough on keeping up the OL.. but since then we have spent a shit ton.. These guys just can't be that bad.. the coaches just aren't developing them..
Good coaches can make something out of this bad OL.. I mean 2016 Pats OL was all backups and they made it to the FC championship game.. Indy played some nice game with 3rd stringers.. Our coaching is as much to blame as our OL for this debacle.
It's clear he believed it was time to move on from Eli - and he was right about that - but the Maras still wanted Eli, either because they truly thought he could still do the job or they were afraid of the fans or both.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
it comes to what was McAdoo's final season with the Giants. It was a textbook example of a team giving up on a coach - it was a real mess (they've been trying to fix the "culture" ever since) . I believe he would have been fired regardless of his handling of the Eli situation because it was just too untenable to keep him around.
But in general, the lack of offensive production was essentially the downfall of all 3 coaches. The Oline has been in shambles for years, but for the most part it was the shortcomings of the QB (whether it was Eli or Jones) that got these guys fired.
From that standpoint I'm somewhat sympathetic to all of them - and because Shurmur was the only coach that managed to not have the offense dwelling at the very bottom of the league during his tenure I'd say that he was the best of the worst.
Made the best first impression. Let’s not pretend like most of us didn’t fall in love with him out of the gate.
The other two were never overly likable. But, as they say, you are what your record is and McAdoo had the best record, so he was the best of the three - I think its that simple.
For as bad as Judges pressers were I still think he handled the press better than the other two.
McAdoo was the worst. He was Ray Handley bad. This is a head coach whose experience was offense, whose offense stunk as badly as Judge's. Unlike Judge McAdoo had some talent to work with. But McAdoo took us to the playoffs didn't he ? No, Steve Spagnulo took us to the playoffs that year. The following year the offense was equally bad. Without a crushing defense, their record collapsed. McAdoo alienated and ran off the team many of the defensive stars. that took us to the playoffs the previous year.
Finally he was fired midseason. History will show it was Mara that fired him, but of all intents and purposes, his own Quarterback fired him.
and tore it to shreds with terrible game planning and divisiveness in the locker room. Had he not sucked so bad, this team wouldn't have spent the past five years in the basement.
Shurmur and Judge were out of their depth. McAdoo was given a winning lottery ticket and blew it all on more lottery tickets.
He was advertised as an offensive guru and QB whisperer. That he was. Even in Eli's twilight year, his team put up points. In his second year Jones looked like a developing star and his offense also put up points. His downside was that his in game and clock management was terrible. He was also saddled with an awful DC over whom he had no control .
Among the three he was the only one who I was neutral on when they fired him. He was probably out of his depth as HC, but I would have like to see what he could have done when paired up with a good DC
Shurmur seems to be another "great coordinator, poor head coach". Talent wise, he was the best of the three.
Bozo Joe trails the field by a wide margin.
then Shurmur (he was the best)
& summer 2021 me can't believe I actually typed that.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
That's some funny shit right there....
McAdoo I feel like could have been a coach in some comedy football movie like The Replacements. He wouldn't need to act he could just walk right onto set.
Judge is more like someone from Any Given Sunday, also could walk right onto set. And honestly he would play a much better football coach than he was.
Shurmur would have gotten laughed out of auditions. I think he was probably the best of the 3 and I can't believe I'm saying that.
McAdoo is next best just because in the end I do believe he was less of a joke than Judge.
I've never seen someone in any pro sport look stupider than Joe Judge. I had low expectations of him and somehow each week he managed to find a new floor.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
I completely agree that Mara threw McAdoo under the bus over the Eli benching fiasco, but he was already 2-9, and much of the team had tuned him out. I don’t know how tenable he was even if they kept him on.
I’ll agree that he was the best of a sorry, sorry bunch, so he was the prettiest ogre.
But he did.. He was watching them practice and he knew one of them was a backup quality player who can manage behind a bad OL and the other was a horrendous player who wasn't meant for the NFL roster and just as a practice squad player..
It can't just be that.. I get it that during early part of last decade we didn't spend enough on keeping up the OL.. but since then we have spent a shit ton.. These guys just can't be that bad.. the coaches just aren't developing them..
Good coaches can make something out of this bad OL.. I mean 2016 Pats OL was all backups and they made it to the FC championship game.. Indy played some nice game with 3rd stringers.. Our coaching is as much to blame as our OL for this debacle.
He didn't handle the situation well, but there aren't a lot of second year coaches who could deal with that kind of pressure. Bill Belichick didn't handle his 5-11 season in Cleveland that well either.
He obviously had some good fortune that contributed to his 11 win season, but you can say that about a lot of success in the NFL.
Very well said..
But in general, the lack of offensive production was essentially the downfall of all 3 coaches. The Oline has been in shambles for years, but for the most part it was the shortcomings of the QB (whether it was Eli or Jones) that got these guys fired.
From that standpoint I'm somewhat sympathetic to all of them - and because Shurmur was the only coach that managed to not have the offense dwelling at the very bottom of the league during his tenure I'd say that he was the best of the worst.
The other two were never overly likable. But, as they say, you are what your record is and McAdoo had the best record, so he was the best of the three - I think its that simple.
For as bad as Judges pressers were I still think he handled the press better than the other two.
Finally he was fired midseason. History will show it was Mara that fired him, but of all intents and purposes, his own Quarterback fired him.
Shurmur and Judge were out of their depth. McAdoo was given a winning lottery ticket and blew it all on more lottery tickets.
Judges attitude.
Among the three he was the only one who I was neutral on when they fired him. He was probably out of his depth as HC, but I would have like to see what he could have done when paired up with a good DC