Than Judge. Last year, I think there was one person that didn't like him and it felt like he was just being a contrarian. I can't remember anyone being so universally beloved to becoming so universally hated in one season. McAdoo wasn't liked nearly as much as Judge even through his 11-5 season.
Yeah I think Tiki is still number one.
"Joe Judge is, in the scheme of things, a low level employee: a first year head coach whose lack of expertise in either offense or defense is, for the moment, allowing him to escape blame for the failings of either. We'll see how long that lasts."
Lasted one more season. He was still benefiting from that dodge up until a couple of weeks ago, when he pushed things to to the point of raising the unanswerable question: what is this guy good at that makes him worth the trouble?
The man cracked. He was unhinged.
I never understood why people liked him.
His fall was only far for those that believed.
When it was announced at the end of 2019 that Gettleman would be back a few of us mentioned that Judge might end up as collateral damage. Judge completely mishandled these last few weeks, but he was a victim of the incompetence that surrounded him the day he walked in the door.
When it was announced at the end of 2019 that Gettleman would be back a few of us mentioned that Judge might end up as collateral damage. Judge completely mishandled these last few weeks, but he was a victim of the incompetence that surrounded him the day he walked in the door.
Mara screwed Judge, and I’m sure he knows it. Judge took the challenge and did the best he could, but he ended up being collateral damage because of Mara’s foolish decision to retain a lame duck Gettleman.
He wasn’t good enough, and moving on was the right decision. However, if Judge could do it again I think he’d go to Mississippi State. I’d argue Judge had the worst entry point of any NYG HC in recent history.
This isn’t like what just happened in Miami. There, the handful of media outlets thought Flores was doing a great job.
This isn’t like what just happened in Miami. There, the handful of media outlets thought Flores was doing a great job.
When it was announced at the end of 2019 that Gettleman would be back a few of us mentioned that Judge might end up as collateral damage. Judge completely mishandled these last few weeks, but he was a victim of the incompetence that surrounded him the day he walked in the door.
This is all true. But it's probably also true that Judge is an unstable moron. Smarter than Gettleman, yes, but that is a very, very low bar.
I don't necessarily think this board is equivalent with "Giants history," though.
That was a huge flag
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Something doesn't feel right this morning about Joe Judge exiting way he did, mocked as a clown + saddled with the losing of the past two seasons, and the other side of this with Dave Gettleman riding off into retirement. Personnel decisions much more of a problem than coaching.
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Something doesn't feel right this morning about Joe Judge exiting way he did, mocked as a clown + saddled with the losing of the past two seasons, and the other side of this with Dave Gettleman riding off into retirement. Personnel decisions much more of a problem than coaching.
Yes, but that's much more of a reason why Gettleman should have been fired outright than Judge should have been retained. I do agree that the lion's share of responsibility for this fiasco rests with Mr. Magoo, but Judge really seemed to fall to pieces down the stretch this year with his Captain Queeg-like press conferences.
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Something doesn't feel right this morning about Joe Judge exiting way he did, mocked as a clown + saddled with the losing of the past two seasons, and the other side of this with Dave Gettleman riding off into retirement. Personnel decisions much more of a problem than coaching.
I agree with that sentiment as well. It's fair to say Judge ruined his rep for the time being with that godawful rant, the adversity got to him and he didn't handle it well
But he was also forced to keep his mouth shut anytime Mr "We like our OL more than others" was blathering the past 2 seasons
Add to that his cliche riddled pep talks littered with the tiresome fillers of "right here" and "right there", constant blame shifting and accountability deflection, and the outright "used car salesman" charlatanism of trying to convince the fans of a historically treasured franchise that the crap we were seeing from the beginning was necessary to build a "foundation of greatness", and you had a disaster from the very start. His Captain Queeg-esque downfall over the last two months was only surprising inasmuch as it also demonstrated his tone deafness and lack of good judgment/self-awareness.
I am very glad that Mara seems to have had the courage to acknowledge the errors in his ways - which arguably stem back to the galactically stupid firing of Kevin Gilbride after 2013 so he could bring in a gym teacher who never even played football at the college level. The wound still feels as fresh as ever in light of everything that has transpired. Let's hope the decision to move on from Judge is the start of a series of good decisions that gets us back to what we had a decade ago.
As for Judge, I would expect that he lands back in the Belichick/Saban tree somewhere ala Bill O'Brien. I am just glad it will be right there and not right here...